starfire_xes said:

They are RINOs--establishment republicans. And fuck them.

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And Trump isn't?



As Workers See Crumbs, Biggest Wall Street Banks Have Already Pocketed $2.5 Billion From Trump Tax Scam

Trump told friends at Mar-a-Lago 'you all just got a lot richer' after tax bill passed: report

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President Trump reportedly told friends at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida just hours after he signed the GOP tax bill that they all just got wealthier.

"You all just got a lot richer," Trump said Friday at a dinner at Mar-a-Lago, two friends at a table near the president told CBS News.

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starfire_xes said:

No.

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starfire_xes said:

My opinion is just as good as your opinion.

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I didn't say otherwise. But it's just that, your opinion, clearly based on emotion over logic

People often support their opinions with facts/sources to validate their point however, like the 2 articles I posted. Otherwise their opinion doesn't really carry much weight and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Speaking of facts/sources, did you know Trump donated to Hillary for years before running for president?

Trump has spent years courting Hillary and other Dems

Quote:

Donald Trump jumped into the crowded and rowdy Republican presidential field on Tuesday, but the business magnate has astutely played both sides of the aisle for years, and has been especially cozy — financially and personally — with Hillary Clinton.

Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump’s vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.

Trump has also been generous with the Clinton Foundation, donating at least $100,000, according to the non-profit.

In another sign of their closeness, Clinton attended Trump’s 2005 wedding to current wife Melania Knauss at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, along with the likes of Katie Couric, Billy Joel and then-“American Idol” judge Simon Cowell. (According to People, Clinton had front-pew seating. Though Bill missed the ceremony itself, he did show up to the reception.)

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So tell me, how is Trump anti establishment again?

musiclover420 said:

krypto2000 said:

musiclover420 said:

qman said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mollyhensleyclancy/midwestern-democrats-dnc-trump-russia?utm_term=.mxbAlp6Dg#.strmV29r4

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/04/24/midwestern-democrats-dnc-stop-collusion-already/

Looks like many of the D's are sick of this Russian witch hunt nonsense. Time to move on, it's a nothing burger.

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Funny:

Republicans Push Bill To Protect Mueller, Without McConnell's Support

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Qman is pointing out how the right can find people that identify as democrat in red states in the mid west while you lefty are citing republican senators.

Clearly your senators are fake news deep state nothing burgers but his unsourced right centrist democrat food stamp recipients surrounded by corn, meth, and republicans are worth considering because they tell it like it is.

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I assumed he meant Democratic politicians But I didn't really feel like clicking on a "hot air" or "buzzfeed" article

It's funny as even if some Dem politicians opposed the investigation, it's not like they have to pay attention to all the details so that wouldn't be surprising. But Republicans going against their party to support the investigation seems like a huge difference, especially compared to unsourced "dem voters"...

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"it's not like they have to pay attention to all the details"

They know it's a losing political strategy and they have elections coming up, but by all means continue with that losing strategy and see what happens in November and then 2020.

musiclover420 said:

starfire_xes said:

My opinion is just as good as your opinion.

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I didn't say otherwise. But it's just that, your opinion, clearly based on emotion over logic

People often support their opinions with facts/sources to validate their point however, like the 2 articles I posted. Otherwise their opinion doesn't really carry much weight and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Speaking of facts/sources, did you know Trump donated to Hillary for years before running for president?

Trump has spent years courting Hillary and other Dems

Quote:

Donald Trump jumped into the crowded and rowdy Republican presidential field on Tuesday, but the business magnate has astutely played both sides of the aisle for years, and has been especially cozy — financially and personally — with Hillary Clinton.

Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump’s vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.

Trump has also been generous with the Clinton Foundation, donating at least $100,000, according to the non-profit.

In another sign of their closeness, Clinton attended Trump’s 2005 wedding to current wife Melania Knauss at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, along with the likes of Katie Couric, Billy Joel and then-“American Idol” judge Simon Cowell. (According to People, Clinton had front-pew seating. Though Bill missed the ceremony itself, he did show up to the reception.)

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So tell me, how is Trump anti establishment again?

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SirTripAlot said:

I was answering his question, Trump is the most anti-establishment president the US elected.....Im not saying it's a good thing, but I believe it to be fact. Why do you think he got elected? He took on both parties....can you name a more anti establishment prez then him?

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Trump is part of the establishment; but less then any other Executive in history. He never held a political or military position prior to his president[/quote

The way you define it, someone who has previous job experience is establishment.

It is just absurd to believe that not having any previous experience in government was a positive characteristic in a presidential candidate.

relic said:

did you mean kowtow?  ...kowtow to corporations...?

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krypto2000 said:

Anti-establisment could mean either being established, such as a senator, or following the status quo of the existing establishment. Trump was not established in the first sense, but he is very much so in the second. The second is the far more important one in practice, the first is really in name only; it's like voting someone based on race, gender, or hair style without any regard to their actual policies, why would you care about that?

edit: And besides that, the biggest problem with "the establishment" most seem to agree, both sides, is that they curtail to corporations and the wealthy more and more. In that sense Trump isn't just part of the establishment he is the establishment.

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SirTripAlot said:

I was answering his question, Trump is the most anti-establishment president the US elected.....Im not saying it's a good thing, but I believe it to be fact. Why do you think he got elected? He took on both parties....can you name a more anti establishment prez then him?

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