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UN approval for multinational force in Iraq?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95878,00.html

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WASHINGTON ? The Bush administration is exploring the possibility of establishing a U.N.-endorsed multinational force in Iraq that would be led by an American commander, a top State Department official says.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage (search) acknowledged that the idea is one of many being weighed by the administration as it attempts to deal with continuing violence in that country almost four months after President Bush declared an end to major combat operations.

Armitage outlined his thoughts in an interview with regional U.S. newspapers on Tuesday, a text of which was made available by the State Department.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) traveled to New York last Thursday to issue an appeal for a new U.N. Security Council resolution that would reinforce U.N. support for the deployment of additional foreign forces in Iraq.

But initial soundings by administration officials suggested minimal support for that approach, taking into account continuing resentment among many Security Council members about the U.S. decision in March to go to war in Iraq without U.N. endorsement.

Since then, the administration has been trying out other ideas that would address U.S. concerns about continuing instability in Iraq without yielding to American insistence on retaining command over international forces in Iraq.

On Monday, U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte (search) highlighted the distance to be traveled before a consensus could be reached when he said, "We are nowhere near a resolution on Iraq."

French officials have said a genuinely international approach to Iraq with a sharing of authority is the best way to bring stability to Iraq and enable the country to move forward.

The proposal outlined by Armitage would not entail the deployment of U.N. forces to Iraq but would simply provide the U.N. endorsement for the deployment of a multinational force.

The most recent example of this type of action occurred this past spring with the U.N. approval of a French-led multinational force to eastern Congo in a bid to bring an end to widespread violence in that region.



I would have no problem with something like this happening, as long as we can make sure that what we want to happen gets done in Iraq. Turning total control over to the UN would be a mistake. A deal like the French have for the Congo would be ideal.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
I would have no problem with something like this happening, as long as we can make sure that what we want to happen gets done in Iraq. Turning total control over to the UN would be a mistake.


I'm a little behind the power curve here. What do we want to happen in Iraq which makes turning over control to the UN a mistake???


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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I think that was our mistake all along. When we use multilateralism, we tend to piss fewer people off, thus making fewer people want to kill us.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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We want to make sure a democracy is established, and Saddam or someone like him does not return to power. I have already heard the argument that the Iraqis may elect a Islamic fundamentalist, and I just don't think that would happen. If it does we can cross that bridge when we get to it. For now, the Iraqis need to hammer out their constitution, and get some elections going. This isn't going to happen until the country is more secure though. The decision to suspend local elections in Iraq irritates me, but I can understand the coalition's reasoning. I think they are erring on the side of caution right now.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
I think that was our mistake all along. When we use multilateralism, we tend to piss fewer people off, thus making fewer people want to kill us.



I agree that that is the best way to go if possible, and that is why Bush tried it. The administration and quite a few other countries did not feel we could wait for the UN to do something, especially since it seemed like it never would. I don't want to cloud the current situation with the past though if we can help it. I think the UN should approve a multinational force for Iraq. India and others are just waiting to help.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
We want to make sure a democracy is established, and Saddam or someone like him does not return to power.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the UN goal too! I think most Iraqis want security as well. But they are now very suspicious of the US for NOT turning control over to the UN.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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They can be as suspicious as they want. The war is not even over. Why in the hell would we turn control over to the UN. The suggestion is assinine. You have to win a war before turning control over to anyone. I believe the only people we will turn control over to will be the Iraqis when they are ready.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
Why in the hell would we turn control over to the UN.


Because it's costing us a billion dollars a week, because it's making the Iraqis hate us, because it's making the world hate us, because the UN would look out for Iraqi interests while the US might look out for our own, because... wait a minute, why in the hell wouldn't we???


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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The UN should tell us to go fuck ourselves. We disobeyed them by going to war and now that we fucked up we want the people we disobeyed to help us out before the next election so that the puritans can keep their stranglehold on our souls.








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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Learyfan]
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The UN is toothless. Like it or not they won't do shit.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Learyfan]
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Although I share your dislike for the current administration's foreign policy, the U.S. should NEVER obey the U.N., it should do what is right. If this coincides with the U.N.'s wishes, so be it but the U.S. should always remain sovereign. The people of our country should not be subjected to yet another layer of beaurocracy meddling in their affairs.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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With american bodies stacking up every day and election time just round the corner Bush is looking for any way out he can.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Autonomous]
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Autonomous said:
Although I share your dislike for the current administration's foreign policy, the U.S. should NEVER obey the U.N., it should do what is right. If this coincides with the U.N.'s wishes, so be it but the U.S. should always remain sovereign. The people of our country should not be subjected to yet another layer of beaurocracy meddling in their affairs.


I totally agree with you, but to the best of my knowledge it's not the UN's policy to tell the United States how to run our affairs. They generally get involved in international issues and human rights abuse issues (correct me if I'm wrong).

A hypothetical example: The US gets itself into too much debt, the economy collapses, and the military goes to shambles because of the budget problems. China, with the world's 2nd largest military decides to make the US a Communist country. To them, it is in our best interest. Obviously the majority of US citizens would be opposed to this (although China would likely find enough Communist supporters in the US to make an argument that Communism is what we want). This is where the UN could help out.

I see a similar situation in Iraq. The US is doing what it believes is best for Iraq, while the UN would do what Iraq believes is best for Iraq.

Of course, as z@z.com says, the UN is currently toothless. The US has pulled out all of their teeth, and is holding onto them. This is of course unfortunate, because a similar situation could occur if China became the next superpower (China would hold the UN's teeth).

Does that make sense? I don't think the UN wants to tell us how to run our affairs, only how to run other country's affairs.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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Yeah,the UN is toothless because super powers like the US blatantly disregard it.I'm sure as hell not saying we're the only one,but we could set a nice example if we listened to the UN every once in a while.

I really don't see why we shouldn't leave and let the UN take over.The only arguement I've really heard against it is that the combat isn't totally over.Well,no shit.And it won't be over for a long time.But its not like the Baathists are going to retake the country.It just wouldn't happen.The coalition wouldn't have to withdrawal overnight either,we could gradually leave. It doesn't even seem like the US is even listening to anything the UN has to say (big suprise).


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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Are you saying the Iraqi's should be prevented from electing Islamic fundamentalists even if that is the will of the Iraqi people?


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Autonomous]
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the U.S. should NEVER obey the U.N.,




Well in that case the US sbould never have joined the U.N but seeing as they did perhaps they should try abiding by the rules they agreed on, as should all other members.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: GazzBut]
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Ooh, good point.  And the US Constitution even says "all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The United States signed the UN Charter, so we're constitutionally bound by UN law!!!  But we all know Bush doesn't give a shit about the US constitution, nor do his supporters, obviously.  :shake: 


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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Thats interesting! Not an interpretation that Bush and his cronies would feel very comfortable with though!


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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Cornholio said:
Ooh, good point.  And the US Constitution even says "all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The United States signed the UN Charter, so we're constitutionally bound by UN law!!!  But we all know Bush doesn't give a shit about the US constitution, nor do his supporters, obviously.  :shake: 



Nice rhetoric. The UN charter allows for members to go to war without approval from the security council to defend themselves, which is what we did. You all conveniently forget the fact that we were not alone in this undertaking. This is not the first time that we have gone to war without UN approval. Remember Kosovo anyone? Clinton did not even go to the UN because he knew he would not get approval from the UN. Bush should have done the same thing.

The US should never be expected to bow down to the UN. We will work with them, and within that framework when we can, but if their goals do not match ours we won't. I know all you libbies don't care about our borders, and sovereignty, but I do.

This is a way for the UN to get involved in Iraq without them really having to do anything. They won't need to send in troops. The French mission in the Congo is a perfect example of what the US would like to happen. If it doesn't we can and will finish the job. We started the war and we have to finish it. Our money, and more importantly our soldiers lives are invested in making sure it turns out right. That is why we are not going to turn control over to the UN outright. Failing the Iraqi people now ,by not finishing the job, is not an option.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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The UN charter allows for members to go to war without approval from the security council to defend themselves, which is what we did.

How on earth can you call the US invading Iraq "defending themselves"? That's as ludicrous as Hitlers excuses during his conquests.

You all conveniently forget the fact that we were not alone in this undertaking.

Oh yeah, i forgot. You had the Federated islands of Micronesia on board.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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I am not going to argue these two points with you Alex, since we have done so in the past, and neither of us are going to change our positions.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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Cornholio said:
Does that make sense?



Yes.

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I don't think the UN wants to tell us how to run our affairs, only how to run other country's affairs.



The U.N. is VERY interested in telling countries what to do internally, as of yet they have not been very effective at it. I would like this to remain the case.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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I believe the UN was formed with a charter, not a treaty.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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The UN charter allows for members to go to war without approval from the security council to defend themselves




My god you are the king of spin! Do you honestly believe the US was defending itself?? Even Gerorge W himself wouldnt have the bare faced cheek to come out with that shit!


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: GazzBut]
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Whatever. He has said it, and it was our justification for ignoring the UN.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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So because George Bush says it it's true?


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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I agree with him. I don't really care if you do or not.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
"The UN charter allows for members to go to war without approval from the security council to defend themselves, which is what we did."

GazzBut said:
"Do you honestly believe the US was defending itself??"

shakta said:
"He has said it, and it was our justification for ignoring the UN.  I agree with him."


I'm really surprised you believe Iraq was a threat to the United States.  They're 7,000 miles away.  They're navy consists of a few patrol boats.



They're only long range weapon, the SCUD was pretty much used used up during the Gulf War, and even those only had a range of 375 miles (again, the US is 7,000 miles away).



Their Air Force was discovered buried in the sand.



Was it their "weapons of mass destruction" program that made you scared enough to support a war at a cost of a hundred billion dollars and thousands of lives???





By now, it has been shown in this forum that Bush lies an awful lot; it's probably not smart to agree with everything he says, just because he says it.

When I first saw Bowling for Columbine, I disagreed with Michael Moore when he said America is a country full of chicken-shits.  But since 9/11, it's clear that this is the case, and this post further shows how that is the case.  How can we be scared of Iraq?  We wiped out their army in 1991. 

Books are now being written about how this fear is being used to control American society.  I wish people were a little braver (and smarter).  :frown:




And it looks like the scare tactics are already getting us scared about WMD all over again...

     


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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That pretty much covers all the bases  :thumbup:


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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I think he forgot to mention the Iraqi army. We learned from Gulf War I how tough they are:



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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: GoBlue!]
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:lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: GoBlue!]
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Hey, I know the guy (Registered) that made that graphic :smile:

On the net, anyway.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: wingnutx]
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Believe what you want to Cornholio. The majority of Americans sided with the President on this issue, and they believed him as well. Your accusations of his lieing have not been proven at all. Saddam represented a major threat to America. Maybe not on the day we attacked him, but in the future most definately. That is why we took him out before the threat was imminent. All you libbies love to claim that Bush said he was an imminent threat, but you have been proven wrong. You kill a snake before it bites you, not afterwards. I will conced the UN loophole is kind of weak in this case, but I was just saying what was said. Furthermore, you did not address Clinton's action of not even going to the UN before Kosovo. We are a sovereign nation, and are ultimate alliance is to ourselves.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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Saddam represented a major threat to America.



A nation so poor and mishandled economically prevented a threat to the US in the future?

And thats why we attacked them? It wasnt about dropping 300k troops in the arab neighborhood and showing them how powerful we were to get them to shape up and do what we want them to?

I find this very hard to believe. How were they going to threaten us, again? They were an economic mess, I doubt they could AFFORD to make WMDs.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: ]
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Hahahaha. Saddam was never an economic mess. He starved his people so he could build a dozen palaces.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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He endured economic sanctions for over a decade to continue a weapons program that we cannot find any evidence of.

Iraq WAS and IS an economic mess. One big reason being he did build his palaces. Those things arent paltry 1million dollar mansions, you know.

So how could he have made WMDs in that shithole? He couldn't, but demanded them anyway. His people lied to him, and thats how we have intelligence saying they existed. Even down to the locations.

pinksharkymark or whatever posted a really good article about that possibility, I'll try to dig it up.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: ]
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I understand what you are saying and agree with it. We went in on the intelligence most of the agencies in the world thought was correct. I personally think he moved them somewhere else. That does not mean he was not a threat.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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We went in on the intelligence most of the agencies in the world thought was correct.

wait so why didnt the UN agree he was a threat? or at least had WMDs?

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: ]
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The agreed he had WMDs, and thought that 12 more years of diplomacy was the way to go.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: ]
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If you can afford a solid-gold toilet then you can afford a bottle of anthrax. You just have to prioritize.

Hussein's priority was personal power.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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Hahahaha. Saddam was never an economic mess. He starved his people so he could build a dozen palaces.

Something surprising about Saddam is the amount of trouble he went to in the early days to improve living standards in Iraq. The education and public health services in Iraq were the envy of the arab world.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: wingnutx]
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If you can afford a solid-gold toilet then you can afford a bottle of anthrax

And what are you gonna do with your bottle of anthrax? Throw it at me? I'd be more scared of someone coming at me with a knife than a bottle of anthrax. 80% of people infected with anthrax don't even need medical treatment to recover.

Hussein's priority was personal power.

Can you name a leader of a country who'se priority wasn't personal power?


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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Your right Alex he was an angel, and the Iraqi people should be sad that he can't kill them anymore.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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No, he wasn't an angel. Where did you read this?


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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There is a big difference between dermal and vascular anthrax.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
"Believe what you want to Cornholio. The majority of Americans sided with the President on this issue, and they believed him as well."


I won't argue with this; it's not unusual for the public to believe their president.

shakta said:
"Your accusations of his lieing have not been proven at all."


Are you saying there wasn't bogus WMD intelligence?  Or just that he didn't know it was bogus?

shakta said:
"Saddam represented a major threat to America. Maybe not on the day we attacked him, but in the future most definately. That is why we took him out before the threat was imminent. You kill a snake before it bites you, not afterwards."


Fair enough, but I would argue that if you live in the city, you don't need to exterminate all the snakes in the desert, even if one of them might possibly find it's way to the city someday.

shakta said:
"All you libbies love to claim that Bush said he was an imminent threat, but you have been proven wrong."


If Iraq wasn't an imminent threat, then why did we attack?  Oh, because it might bite someday.  :rolleyes:

shakta said:
"you did not address Clinton's action of not even going to the UN before Kosovo. We are a sovereign nation, and are ultimate alliance is to ourselves."


He shouldn't have done it.  How was this in our best interest? 


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Cornholio]
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Assuming all the intelligence was bogus, yes I think the President was unaware of it. I think he made the correct decision based on the information he had. Now there are reports that Iraq sent in fake defectors with bogus information. Saddam thought he would be OK as long as he kept the world divided on the issue. He, like Osama, was wrong.

As far as killing the snake goes, Saddam was the head of the snake. Getting rid of him will definately help in the war on terror.

Yes this was a preemptive war. Everyone new that, most now try to make it seem like the President said he was the looming threat when he didn't.

The war in Kosovo was not in OUR best interest. I do think he was correct to do it though. I think the US should be more active across the world when someone tries to slaughter an entire segment of their population.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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As far as killing the snake goes, Saddam was the head of the snake. Getting rid of him will definately help in the war on terror.

Since when was Saddam involved in the war on terror? Him and Osama hated each other.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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You can through that out all you want my friend. Saddam definately supported terrorist organizations. How about the $25,000 to the suicide bomber families? He was definately in the way of peace and democracy in the region.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: shakta]
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That's a bit misleading shak, the real story is here:

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg00495.html

The claim is generally correct, but is presented in what is likely a
deliberately misleading fashion. In fact, the Iraqi government claims to pay the families of all Palestinians killed in the intifada, the vast majority of whom are not suicide bombers. Lesser sums are paid to Palestinians wounded and to those who've had their houses demolished by the Israeli army.

BAGHDAD, March 11 (Reuters) - Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz said Iraq would grant $25,000 in cash to the family of each Palestinian killed in clashes with Israeli troops in the West Bank and Gaza.

"President Saddam Hussein has recently told head of the Palestinian
political office Farouq al-Kaddoumi his decision to raise the sum granted to each family of the martyrs of the Palestinian uprising to $25,000 instead of $10,000," Aziz said.

"It is a very simple contribution, which we consider as a modest one due to the circumstances of the sanctions," Aziz told Arab politicians and representatives of non-governmental organisations late on Sunday.

Iraq also grants $1,000 to each Palestinian wounded in the uprising and $5,000 to Palestinians whose homes were demolished by Israeli forces, he added.






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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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$25k is a hell of a lot in that part of the world.

It's incentive for fence-sitter to blow themselves up, knowing that their families will be well taken care of in their absence. Considering that they have been married guys with kids lately, this is a big deal.

I thought Iraq was financially destitute? Seems like they had plenty to spare in 'foreign aid'. Too bad that money didn't didn't go to the poor starving orphans you claim we caused.

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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: Xlea321]
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Nice post! Man it pisses me off when our media is dishonest.

Edit: I shouldn't say "dishonest". Most all news stories are truthful, but some have a wicked "spin" to them.


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Re: UN approval for multinational force in Iraq? [Re: wingnutx]
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Let's all believe Tareq Aziz! It was definately a motivation to become a 'martyr', just as the bounty put on American soldiers was a reason to kill one.

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Cornholio said:
Nice post! Man it pisses me off when our media is dishonest.



Please tell me you don't believe this BS. Of course it was motivation for the bombers.

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I believe it could have been motivation for the bombers. I just never heard the part about Iraq aiding fellow muslims who were killed by Israelis. Leaving out relevant information is a great way to spin a story.


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Please tell me you don't believe this BS. Of course it was motivation for the bombers.

Before you get too worked up about it, remember this is something Iraq "claimed" they were doing. Until you have a little more evidence they ever did actually pay a family of a suicide bomber and that it wasn't just Saddams propaganda I'd hold fire.


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I agree. Whether it is true or not I don't know. Anything Aziz says should be considered a lie until proven otherwise. If Saddam did pay the others, he most likely did it only to cover his own ass.

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Alex123 said:
Before you get too worked up about it, remember this is something Iraq "claimed" they were doing.  Until you have a little more evidence they ever did actually pay a family of a suicide bomber and that it wasn't just Saddams propaganda I'd hold fire. 



It doesn't really matter now. He isn't going to be paying anyone anything for long, if he still is even. :wink:

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Who cares. There's still plenty of suicide bombers anyway.


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I think there is to many myself.

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Yep, looks like they wern't doing it because Saddam was allegedly paying them after all.

Ain't that a surprise.


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shakta said:
Believe what you want to Cornholio. Saddam represented a major threat to America. Maybe not on the day we attacked him, but in the future most definately. That is why we took him out before the threat was imminent. You kill a snake before it bites you, not afterwards.


You're right.  :smirk:

 


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:thumbup: :lol:


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