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Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?"
    #1961047 - 09/28/03 10:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

New book by Michael Moore is coming out called "Dude, Where's My Country?".

What do you think? I love the cover.

www.amazon.com



 


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1961064 - 09/28/03 10:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Liberals need to find some better people to represent them.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1961106 - 09/28/03 11:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I nominate the stoner Jesus



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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1961277 - 09/28/03 11:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think i'll be wasting my time with that.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: ]
    #1961463 - 09/29/03 12:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

well whatever you think of moore

IF YOU.......apporve of the way your country is going, you are no patriot

you do know that 4 out of 5 of the "intolerable acts" that caused the american revolution HAVE BEEN REPEATED RIGHT???????????

there are so many sick thing about the way america has become I will not nam them all, I have always been a canadian that thought the way america started was cool, and the way its ended up is SICK


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1962220 - 09/29/03 10:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

IF YOU.......apporve of the way your country is going, you are no patriot

i have no aspirations of being a patriot, and no, i don't approve of the direction we're moving in.

you do know that 4 out of 5 of the "intolerable acts" that caused the american revolution HAVE BEEN REPEATED RIGHT???????????

you really should just put that in your sig. it'll save you a good bit of effort.

I have always been a canadian that thought the way america started was cool, and the way its ended up is SICK

yep. mostly thanks to liberals such as yourself.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1962286 - 09/29/03 10:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i bet you'll defend his book even if you don't read it. :smirk:

sort of like his movies...


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1962302 - 09/29/03 10:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Until someone makes any claims about the book, then there's nothing to defend.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: silversoul7]
    #1962305 - 09/29/03 10:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

that never stopped leary before, why start now?


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1962306 - 09/29/03 10:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Liberals need to find some better people to represent them.



Al Franken's pretty smart, not to mention witty. My only complaint with him is that he sticks up for Clinton too much.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: silversoul7]
    #1962395 - 09/29/03 11:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

and he puts his own spin on things for the
sake of dramatic affect.

did you watch him yesterday on cspan at
the democratic candidate dinner?

ps. I have 4 excellent tickets for sale for
al franken at Zellerbach Hall (berkely) if
anyone is interested...Kid Koala is playing
that night and I've heard pretty much his
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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: afoaf]
    #1962398 - 09/29/03 11:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No, I didn't see that, but I read his latest book. He's even funnier in print than he is in person.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1962477 - 09/29/03 12:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

it also has a lame title i must say.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1962545 - 09/29/03 01:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
i bet you'll defend his book even if you don't read it. :smirk:

sort of like his movies... 




Probably, but that's okay, cuz you guys will just jump on it and tear it to shreds without having read it either.  I'm sure there will be some "editorial" on www.nukebabywhalesforjesus.com that you will all be able to quote and link to ad nauseum, and for you, that will be all the proof you need that he's just another whining liberal asshole who shouldn't be allowed to speak.

Evens out in the end, doesn't it? 


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1962581 - 09/29/03 01:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1962654 - 09/29/03 02:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Probably, but that's okay, cuz you guys will just jump on it and tear it to shreds




not really, i liked "Roger and Me" something leary hasn't seen yet.

Quote:

I'm sure there will be some "editorial" on www.nukebabywhalesforjesus.com that you will all be able to quote and link to ad nauseum




wtf?

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and for you, that will be all the proof you need that he's just another whining liberal asshole who shouldn't be allowed to speak.




please pull your head out of your ass.



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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1962801 - 09/29/03 03:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*pop*

*sniff*

No.. It stinks out here, too.

/e puts his head back where it was.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1962809 - 09/29/03 03:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

looks to me like Moore is losing wieght...thats good. must be subway diet.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1962899 - 09/29/03 04:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

LMAO.. that was a good one, Gern.

Leary, Ill be reading it. It looks fantastic as all of Moore's previous work has been. Also, if you like Mr. Moore, you should really check out Jim Hightower. I think you will like him even more and frankly, his ideas are so sound and commonsense that even the hatemongers on this board shouldnt be able to fuck with positive posts about him.

Moore is a baby populist. Hightower is a grandaddy populist.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1962999 - 09/29/03 04:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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/e puts his head back where it was. 




Admitting it is the first step, i'm proud of you  :smirk:

let me ask a small question, would any of you ever claim that someone is brilliant (pick your own adjective) without reading or watching a movie or book that that person wrote?


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1963097 - 09/29/03 05:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I didnt defend mike or his book
what the hell are you talking about

and I am not a liberal, and using these terms all the fucking time does nothng to advance society


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1963225 - 09/29/03 05:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i was reffering to Leary, just joking, relax...

I would read his book, I just wouldn't buy it.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1963657 - 09/29/03 08:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I can picture Leary ravaging through a Moore
book right now just to shit on your parade....


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: afoaf]
    #1964295 - 09/29/03 11:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I just posted this to see what people had to say about it.

I'm no expert on Michael Moore. I just like the guy and I think he's a good guy.






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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1965096 - 09/30/03 05:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So Moore lies and misleads and you think he's cool.

Yet according to you Bush lies and misleads and he isn't.

Interesting.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Learyfan]
    #1965129 - 09/30/03 05:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

OK... Now!


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: afoaf]
    #1965162 - 09/30/03 06:34 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I can picture Leary ravaging through a Moore
book right now just to shit on your parade....




i doubt it.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1965180 - 09/30/03 07:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Another Moore book, I cant wait for his shocking revelations....
On second thoughts, i'll stick to mein kampf....


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1965181 - 09/30/03 07:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah,Hitler and Moore,I can see the resemblance....NOT.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: monoamine]
    #1965187 - 09/30/03 07:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, I find them equally distasteful.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1965209 - 09/30/03 07:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hitler-started WW2,responsible for the death of millions

Moore-pissed off gun nuts,makes movies that may be misleading to some people

Yep,they are equally evil. :thumbdown: 


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: monoamine]
    #1965221 - 09/30/03 07:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

???
I was referring to their literary works....


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: monoamine]
    #1965248 - 09/30/03 07:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

With "Roger and Me" Michael Moore helped get Roger Smith to step down after moving most of GM's American manufacturing to Mexico.

He got K-MART to stop selling bullets in America.

Moore's "TV Nation" paved the way for comic news shows like America's "The Daily Show".

Oh yeah, the Cannes film festival had to invent an award for "Bowling for Collumbine" because they had never given an award to a documentary.

And, let's not forget his Oscar (as if one could forget THAT speech).

You may disagree with Moore's tactics but, he gets results.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Rose]
    #1965254 - 09/30/03 08:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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With "Roger and Me" Michael Moore helped get Roger Smith to step down after moving most of GM's American manufacturing to Mexico.





wrong, most of the American manufacturing is in Michigan. and Moore had nothing to do with Roger smiths situation

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He got K-MART to stop selling bullets in America.




wow, the Kmart that is near my neighborhood still sells bullets..hmmpphh.

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Moore's "TV Nation" paved the way for comic news shows like America's "The Daily Show".




so what.

Quote:

Oh yeah, the Cannes film festival had to invent an award for "Bowling for Collumbine" because they had never given an award to a documentary.




bowling for columbine is not a documentary.

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And, let's not forget his Oscar (as if one could forget THAT speech).




i couldn't hear it through all the booing in the audience.

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You may disagree with Moore's tactics but, he gets results.





like what?


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965265 - 09/30/03 08:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I'm smart enough to know not to go head to head with a Michigander.

but...

* I: wrong, most of the American manufacturing is in Michigan. and Moore had nothing to do with Roger smiths situation

How's Flint doing?

Roger Smith stepped down within a year of "Roger and Me's" release. Coincidence?

*C: He got K-MART to stop selling bullets in America.

*I: wow, the Kmart that is near my neighborhood still sells bullets..hmmpphh.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3bd3b42fd7.htm

My bad, just handgun bullets. Handguns aren't used in hunting. Handguns were invented to kill people.

*C: Moore's "TV Nation" paved the way for comic news shows like America's "The Daily Show".

*I: so what.

Is that a question or a statement eminem? The Daily Show just won an Emmy.

*C: Oh yeah, the Cannes film festival had to invent an award for "Bowling for Collumbine" because they had never given an award to a documentary.

*I: bowling for columbine is not a documentary.

You're going to tell me it is fiction? That was a great script! How'd he get Chaz Heston to sign?

*C: And, let's not forget his Oscar (as if one could forget THAT speech).

*I: i couldn't hear it through all the booing in the audience.

Yeah, he won an Oscar last year... for best DOCUMENTARY. The people who were booing were the same that voted for Moore to win... Americans are weird. Booing a political activist for expressing his opinion... sigh...

*You may disagree with Moore's tactics but, he gets results.

*like what?

Just wait for his next film... about surly Michiganders... It'll change your life.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Rose]
    #1965290 - 09/30/03 09:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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How's Flint doing? 




Flint is a terrible city, the worst in Michigan actually.  Don't get me wrong, i actually enjoyed Roger and Me, it's really bowling for columbine which was a disgrace.

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My bad, just handgun bullets. Handguns aren't used in hunting. Handguns were invented to kill people. 




you can hunt with a hand gun, but it's harder.  A .45 can take down some big game and be enjoyable for those that target shoot.  The handgun to me is for self defense against those that would relieve me of my civil liberties.

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Is that a question or a statement eminem? The Daily Show just won an Emmy. 




word. :smirk:...i like john stewert, i just didn't thinmk it was relavent.

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You're going to tell me it is fiction? That was a great script! How'd he get Chaz Heston to sign? 




many parts of that "movie" were spliced and were slanted so far that my neck hurt after watching it.

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Americans are weird. Booing a political activist for expressing his opinion... 




they had different opinions and were expressing them.  freedom of speech doesn't mean that those you are speaking to have to agree nor does it mean that they have to listen.

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Just wait for his next film... about surly Michiganders... It'll change your life.




i'm guessing it's going to be aboot some rich white guy.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965316 - 09/30/03 09:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

All of Moore's movies are edited out of sequence. They give the impression that things happen in a different order than they actually did. This pisses a lot of people off but his documentaries are politically motivated. Most documentaries report things as they happen. Like him or not, Moore uses a different format... an editorial documentary. Many people think a documentary should be more neutral than Moore's take on the genre.

He uses his material to make a point rather than to report the sequence of events. Over time, people have come to accept this form of documentary but Moore will eventually shoot himself in the foot if he keeps doing documentaries out of sequence.

Now, as for "The Daily Show," my original point was this: Without Moore's TV Nation, there would be no "Daily Show." "The Daily Show" borrows more from TV Nation than it borrows from SNL's "Weekend Update."

*i'm guessing it's (Moore's next movie) going to be aboot some rich white guy.

You may be more right than you think. I heard his next show is about George W. Bush.


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    #1965351 - 09/30/03 10:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yes, and as for handguns. Sure you can hunt with them. I have (either the gun sucked... or I did). They were designed for close quarters combat and haven't evolved much since they were conceived... well, they aren't very versitile. Sure, they've evolved. Granted, a handgun will teach you how to aim a larger gun.

You said yourself, your handgun is there to protect your from those who would relieve you of your civil liberties (fascists?). Sounds like you don't plan on using it for deer hunting anytime soon. Handguns ARE fun when used for target practice.

As human killers, handguns work too well. They are easy to obtain and hide in an urban environment.

Most people use handguns responsibly... yes. But handguns ARE the guns that kill people in citys. Who was the last person shot and killed with a rifle in NYC?

Most people aren't murdered with bolt action rifles (Kennedy was a fluke). They are killed with semi-automatic hand guns.

Eliminate hand guns, and you eliminate, at least, 50% of America's gun murders.

Handguns don't save as many lives in a year as they take (Have you ever seen this headline: "Man Saved By Handgun"?)... and people still use them for protection.


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    #1965437 - 09/30/03 10:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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You said yourself, your handgun is there to protect your from those who would relieve you of your civil liberties (fascists?).




not facists, just those that would take from me which is mine. ie: life and possessions

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Sounds like you don't plan on using it for deer hunting anytime soon




Not while i have a compound bow or a rifle. I know you can kill people with it but that's up to the person who owns it. Many buy for target shooting competitions.

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As human killers, handguns work too well.




can you imagine how nice it would be if they just enforced those laws that are on the books? Moore would have more credibility if he took that route.

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Eliminate hand guns, and you eliminate, at least, 50% of America's gun murders.




eliminating handguns is a eutopian dream. If it could be possible to eliminate ALL guns then i'd believe it. Gun laws that restrict the rights of those responsible gun owners will not effect those criminals that would NEVER get rid of their guns because they are just that criminals.

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Handguns don't save as many lives in a year as they take (Have you ever seen this headline: "Man Saved By Handgun"?)...




scenerio: there are three houses to the left that a criminal knows there are no guns. Three houses on the right that the criminal knows there are guns. Which one will be robbed?


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965452 - 09/30/03 10:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*eliminating handguns is a eutopian dream. If it could be possible to eliminate ALL guns then i'd believe it. Gun laws that restrict the rights of those responsible gun owners will not effect those criminals that would NEVER get rid of their guns because they are just that criminals.

The problem is with unregistered handguns, and yes, those would be tough (impossible) to eliminate.

*scenerio: there are three houses to the left that a criminal knows there are no guns. Three houses on the right that the criminal knows there are guns. Which one will be robbed?

If you don't have a handgun, don't talk to criminals.


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    #1965492 - 09/30/03 11:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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If you don't have a handgun, don't talk to criminals




WTF? Even you have know that that made no sense.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965498 - 09/30/03 11:22 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:cool:

'Twas a joke.

Let me explain... No. There is no time. Let me sum up.

How did the criminal know who had guns and who didn't?

Someone had to tell him.

My advice to all people who don't own handguns is this: Don't tell criminals you are unarmed.

hahahaha get it?

hahahahah...hahaha...haha...ha...

Well, it was funny a few minutes ago. 


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    #1965566 - 09/30/03 12:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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How did the criminal know who had guns and who didn't?





In a society that bans guns the only ones who would have them would be the criminals because the ones that follow the law are those that would of turned them in ie: the houses on the left.

If i was a criminal i'd go to the places where they outlaw guns because the odds are i wouldn't be running into someone brandishing one during my shopping spree through their house.

in the future it might help to say you're joking because i've seen many on this site who would use that as an example and actually mean it.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965581 - 09/30/03 12:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*in the future it might help to say you're joking because i've seen many on this site who would use that as an example and actually mean it.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Hahahahaha...hahahaha...hahaha...haha...ha...

J/K

*If i was a criminal i'd go to the places where they outlaw guns because the odds are i wouldn't be running into someone brandishing one during my shopping spree through their house.

So... all the criminals are moving to Singapore?

Hahahaha...hahaha...haha...ha..

J/K

Perhaps Michael Moore wouldn't have so much trouble if he let us know when HE is joking.

Hahahaha...hahaha...haha...ha...

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    #1965583 - 09/30/03 12:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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So... all the criminals are moving to Singapore.




not there because if they got caught they'd actually be punished. The ol' "my parents abused me as a child" excuse wouldn't hold much water there..they'd be cained out of the country


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1965589 - 09/30/03 12:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

not there because if they got caught they'd actually be punished. The ol' "my parents abused me as a child" excuse wouldn't hold much water there..they'd be cained out of the country

So all the criminals are fleeing Singapore and moving to England?

Hahahaha...hahaha...haha...ha...

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    #1965600 - 09/30/03 12:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*rim shot* :smirk:


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    #1965607 - 09/30/03 12:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:nut:

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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Rose]
    #1965715 - 09/30/03 01:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that most documentaries are biased towards some ultimate conclusion, whether its "drugs are bad for you", or "The lack of a blue shift indicates the universe will die a cold death", or "There is too much soviet uranium floating around the black market" or "the region between pakistan and afghanistan is crawling with terrorists"

documentaries represent facts but they also generally have a thesis, some point they are trying to prove.


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    #1965893 - 09/30/03 01:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

ya think?


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    #1965905 - 09/30/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*documentaries represent facts but they also generally have a thesis, some point they are trying to prove.

True, true. If documentaries want to tell a story, it helps to have a thesis. Simple fact reporting wouldn't be cinematic.

Michael Moore is different. He is a visible character inside his documentaries. He actively does things to manipulate the plot of his movies. Traditional documentarians aren't as visible within their documentaries as Moore is in his.

This makes his documentaries different. I think this is part of the reason why Roger and Me wasn't nominated for best documentary. Moore had to get documentarians to accept his changes in their format.


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    #1966158 - 09/30/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The movie "Fargo" was a documentary.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Rose]
    #1966262 - 09/30/03 03:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, depending on the study, handguns are used well over a million times a year to prevent crimes. Even if only 1/2 of 1% of those save a life, it's still by far the majority.


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    #1966288 - 09/30/03 04:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've never seen a gun kill anyone.


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    #1966293 - 09/30/03 04:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fargo Proscript

"This is a true story."

"The events depicted in this film
took place in Minnesota in 1987."

"At the request of the survivors,
The names have been changed."

"Out of respect for the dead,
the rest has been told exactly
as it occoured."

Gotta' love them Cohen Bros. They lied about their movie in the first frame to make it feel more real. No events in Minnesota history (or American history for that matter) resemble the ones depected in "Fargo." One of the greatest gags in cinematic history.

And it is my favorite documentary of all time.

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    #1966302 - 09/30/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*L:Actually, depending on the study, handguns are used well over a million times a year to prevent crimes. Even if only 1/2 of 1% of those save a life, it's still by far the majority.

I'd like to see your source. I'm not interested in police and military acts, just civilian.

Handguns don't kill people. People with handguns kill.


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    #1966308 - 09/30/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

at least tell me that the wood chipper scene was real...


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    #1966316 - 09/30/03 04:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It was a real woodchipper.


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    #1966330 - 09/30/03 04:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

But the name of the manufacturer was changed.


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Re: Michael Moore - "Dude, Where's My Country?" [Re: Rose]
    #1966358 - 09/30/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*Actually, depending on the study, handguns are used well over a million times a year to prevent crimes. Even if only 1/2 of 1% of those save a life, it's still by far the majority.

Wait a minute. Handguns are used over a million times a year to prevent crimes? How do you know?

If the crime wasn't committed, it wasn't committed. Who's to say a handgun prevented it?

P. Diddy?

This "Study" studies things that didn't happen. The only thing it proves (If such a study exists) is handguns are drawn a lot... and when drawn, the person who draws the gun thinks they prevented a crime. How heroic.

Handguns ARE used to commit crimes. Studies are readily available showing how often crimes are committed with handguns. These studies are, also, valid. They study things that actually happened.


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    #1967504 - 09/30/03 10:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cool article. There's something for both sides. It basically talks about how hard it is to study how many crimes are prevented by handguns.


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