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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Tao]
    #3346579 - 11/11/04 12:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to see Dean run against Candidate "X". I wonder how long it would take him to break down and kill someone?


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3347469 - 11/11/04 03:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's funny to hear "John Kerry was a weak candidate. We should have nominated Howard Dean instead!" Ironic that it was Kerry who got nominated because Dean was not electable (most Republicans I knew where hopeful that Howard Dean would win the primary)


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3347632 - 11/11/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i saw howard dean in person, he is not like the video and snapshots of him yelling would have you believe.


that said, he would not win in 2008, dems need a southerner. he might have at least done better than kerry this year however, because he could have been a hell of a lot stronger against the iraq war due to not having voted for it. he also could have attacked the spending since not only had he overseen the balance of his state's budget, but he did not vote for all the spending increases like kerry. plus he was the opposite of kerry in terms of not being a careful politician, staying on both sides of the issue trying to please everybody, which middle america and many other hated. finally his high approval by the nra might have prevented people from thinkin "he gonna take ar guuuns!!"


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Tao]
    #3347826 - 11/11/04 04:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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plus he was the opposite of kerry in terms of not being a careful politician, staying on both sides of the issue trying to please everybody




Liberals always try to appear like they're on both sides, that's why they lose. This has been going on for some time but it peaked during Clinton.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3347835 - 11/11/04 04:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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plus he was the opposite of kerry in terms of not being a careful politician, staying on both sides of the issue trying to please everybody




Liberals always try to appear like they're on both sides, that's why they lose.  This has been going on for some time but it peaked during Clinton.



So that's why Clinton served two terms? :smirk:


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3347852 - 11/11/04 04:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Liberals always try to appear like they're on both sides




Unlike 'compassionate conservatism' :rolleyes:


and Clinton/Blair's Third Way was a legitimate change in policy for the left, not just rhetoric.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #3347858 - 11/11/04 04:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

so, it still doesn't mean that he didn't do it.

He served two terms because he was a smooth talker. But he always stuck his finger in the air to make his decisions. I'd like to have a president with his speaking and communication skills in an Independent platform.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Tao]
    #3347869 - 11/11/04 04:50 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Unlike 'compassionate conservatism'




I don't see the connection since compassionate conservatism, to me, was still based off of conservative ideals.

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and Clinton/Blair's Third Way was a legitimate change in policy for the left, not just rhetoric




how's that been working out for them?


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3347938 - 11/11/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

'Vert... Bush used to say, "Compasionate Conservative" in the same breath as "Uniter not a Divider."

He meant he'd cross party lines.

He hasn't done this... even you must admit, the nation's devided, not untied.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Rose]
    #3348085 - 11/11/04 05:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

That certainly isn't his fault. Democrats turned that one against him almost instantly saying "Unless you do everything we want you are not a uniter" They were the ones who would not compromise, despite Bush's ridiculous spending bills they approved.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3348102 - 11/11/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

OK DS, since, obviously, you feel Bush is a moderate.

Name some things he has done that have NOT inflamed America's liberals.

Clinton went out of his way to appease Republicans.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3348128 - 11/11/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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i like dean, because he is not afraid to say who he is. the party needs to get a new chairman. terry mcfuck is no good.




It's weird, but deep inside of me, I like Howard Dean.  I liked him much better then Kerry in the primaries.  I guess I like the fact that he's not afraid to stand up at the podium and get all fired up.  I'm tired of all these walking stiffs that we have for politicians, reading off tele-prompters and memorizing speeches all the time, being obscenely politically correct.  It was refreshing to see someone with that much passion, even if I didn't agree with 100% of his plans for the country. 

As for Michael Moore...I wish he'd give it a rest.  :thumbdown:


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3348137 - 11/11/04 06:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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That certainly isn't his fault. Democrats turned that one against him almost instantly saying "Unless you do everything we want you are not a uniter" They were the ones who would not compromise, despite Bush's ridiculous spending bills they approved.



Where do you get this idea that outrageous spending in and of itself is supposed to appease Democrats? It's a matter of how it's spent, not how much.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #3348142 - 11/11/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Clinton was WAY more fiscally responsible than Bush.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3348214 - 11/11/04 06:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

compassionate conservatism was an attempt to say "hey i don't want to pay welfare, but i still want to help people (including through medicare)". it was an attempt to be stingy yet generous. classic example of trying to be on both sides. all politicians do it, left and right, its what being a politician and winning votes is about.

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how's that been working out for them? [Clinton/Blair]




Let's see, clinton won both his races, gore won the popular vote which in all other democracies i know of would have been a victory, and blair's government has been in power for 12 years now, likely extending it even longer next year. so pretty good i'd say.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Tao]
    #3348293 - 11/11/04 06:38 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

7 years...:)


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3348425 - 11/11/04 07:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I thought that him and his three ass cheeks were moving out of the country if Bush won?


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: nycomyco]
    #3348604 - 11/11/04 07:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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John Kerry and the democrats were the reason that John Kerry and the democrats lost the election.




If anything Michael Moore got younger people involved in the election. This is the guy that voted for Nader in 2000, he's hardly an ardent advocate of the DNP. Besides, his movie raises many interesting points - it is a documentary after all. Just because Michael adds his own satire to the documentary doesn't make it any less true.


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3348656 - 11/11/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I personally felt that Dennis Kucinech (how the hell do you spell that?) was the only democratic candidate that I would have supported... the rest of them are just very obviously corporate douches in my opinion :shrug:


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Re: michael moore plans new fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 [Re: Krishna]
    #3348662 - 11/11/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What about Al Sharpton? The Democrats are a mess. They are being assimilated by the Right wing. Where Conservatives rarely look for a moderate, the Left is always going slightly Right just to give voters what the want: Someone who has some Right wing in him.


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