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 My Elysium Trips Lore  Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Do you believe in Reincarnation / Born Again, or an Afterlife? Death is What?
In Other Words, How do you Reconcile "Death" if you believe in Some kind of Afterlife, like Reincarnation / Born Again, or Heaven, or Any After Life - Life? So, Would Death Even be Something to Worry about if you have a Faith in Afterlife? Even if you Wonder if you could become Born Again as a Mighty Big Tree like a Redwood or born again as a Frog! Heh, like the Fairy Tale of Kissing Frog's? So, Death would be Only Experienced for Those Left Behind, as Faith in Afterlife means that you Cannot Know Death by Faith, but only Seamlessly Switch from old Body to a Fresh Body...? Like throwing on a New Birthday Suit! So, for Those with Afterlife Faith, Death shouldn't Concern them as much as the Gnostic Atheists who presume after Death, they are Eternally Dead to Being Conscious! So, Is Death Real, or Is Death Not Real, that is the Question? Please be honest & that is all I ask. Try Reconciling Death Presumptions with Afterlife Faith! Thank you, Come Again! My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/23/18 01:26 AM)
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 sudly Quasar Praiser   Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 14,437 |
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-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be. 
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My Elysium Trips Lore Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Greetings. So, I agree with that Meme! Or, I really don't mind Dying if it's the Right Cause, because I have Faith in After-Lives! But, Regarding the Meme Picture itself, Who is that Photo of? It seems a little Blurry & such, it looks like a Cartoon of a Stoned Hippy. Is that you? My eye's are slightly less vivid than younger. So, was it a Charcuterie (?) of you? Are you a Hippy Stoner? If so, nice to meet you Sir. But regarding your Signature Quote of Dawkins. I do Not believe what "Scientist's" say Many Times & I see them as Having a BS Degree in a BS Degree! Or, Trained BS Artists! So, If there was No Design, No Purpose, No Creator. It is evidence that Creation itself is an Intelligent Designer If No Creator was the Impetus! And if Nature itself is an Intelligent Design(er), this is Evidence of an Intelligence in Nature. If Nature has Intelligence, or using Information to Perform Functions & Have Communication between Life, etc., this is Evidence that Something Intelligent (an Intelli Gent[leman]) Gave Nature, or Nature Science it's Fundamentals of some Order, Logic, Designs, Purposes & Abilities, & something Incredible is actually Beyond what the Earth Scientists No Older than maybe even 150 years old Can Fathom! In other words, Just Because Some Scientists are Foolish & Blind & Hubris & Cynical & Numb, their Lack of Evidence isn't Absence of Evidence being Hidden beyond their Boxed in Perspectives! Or, I could say, I don't recall Ever Meeting this blogger (you) in person, so therefore it is a Russian Hacking Bot! Etc.. Or, it just cannot be Determined without Sufficient Evidences either way, to begin to understand. But if I kept blocking Ears with fingers & shouting some Animal noises & closed the eyes, & Pretended you / your online post is Not Evident & Cannot be Proven you wrote that yourself. Then I would be like the Atheist Scientists claiming things that They Cannot Know but Subjective Biases that Fuel their Nonsense of Circular Logic of, "Science Says, So there is No Debate about What Science Says / Proven," or "There are No Known Science Formulas that Spell out the Name of Deity in English or Any Known Languages, so therefore Science has No Need of a Deity in Order to be True!" Or, just because they cannot Come to Understand that the Formulas to Physics themself is Evidence for an Intelligent Creator, like able to use Numbers & Arithmetic / Mathematics, to Solve for Hidden Variables or Constants or Just Change the Algebra Around to Solve New things, via Simplistic Math many times, is Evidence that Something was the Reason, Logic, Rationale, Scientist / Deity, beyond the Temporal Scopes of the Created People who are too blind to see, but Profess to be Wise Scholars who don't Need a God because No God is Explicitly Written in the Physical Codes of Creation, that they can see. So, there Cult of a Godless Ideology, is Fallacious in Premise, as Creator Cannot be Debunked if a Creator is the Impetus & Sustainer of Empirical Existence / Life, & they cannot even Prove Why things are Like they are! As No Objective Proof has Debunked a Creator, because it's is Subjective what (a) "God" or "Creator" or "Supreme Being" is, & that is where they many Times Denounce a God because of what Scriptures say or their experience via an Instant of Consciousness, or Existential Being Aware! So, of course atheistic Scientists will Try to Refute these Thing's I've said, but their Logic is Flawed because of their Predisposed Biases to See anything beyond themself! So, a Scientist cannot have (Conformation) Biases & Still be Objective, that is like seeing Lights in the Sky & Presume they all are only Stars but without actually Looking at them to study their "Galileo" Effects, so to say. So, sure, they can go around with their (Awareness of) Predisposed Cognitive Biases, but Their Said Biases don't Speak for Science itself, as it only speaks about Them, & nobody else, per se. Would you agree? Like, a Plumber can see Water & say, It is the Life Force of the Sanitation & Wellbeing of People, & is essentials to life! Etc.. Then a Scientist comes to Plumber & says, You are Crazy for Speaking such Stupidity, it is Simple Hydrogen & Oxygen Atoms that have Formed Chemical Bonds to become a Water Molecule. Etc.. So, Both People might have Truth to them, but the Scientists Negating the Facts the Plumber said, Does Not Negate Anything the Plumber said as it is Axiomatic to countless people. Or, Try Living in a World that Has No Water & Cannot Find or Make water. Then who would be More Correct then? So, you see, Scientists are Not Science. Science itself is Close to Perfection in Designs, & If the Scientists say, "The Science says XYZ," or say, "Science was Wrong about Past theory of XYZ," etc.. Was Science Itself Wrong or Speaking Wrong?- or was the Scientists too inept to See or Understand or Fathom what the Empirical Nature has Hidden (in Esoteric Language or Codes)? So, "you" could Argue till the day that "you" die, that what I've written online Magically Appear without any Effort nor Involvements of Information from a person Slightly intelligent enough to make Online posts. But "your" (a generic used word for discourse) Incredulity doesn't Change a thing, except "you" don't Believe! So, If the Fence was Divided, 50% Believed & 50% didn't Believe, Those Believing Incorrect can argue about thing's they don't (profess to) know, etc., but Their Disbelief doesn't Prove Anything Except they do Not Believe - maybe even disbelieve Truth. While the other 50% doesn't Need to Argue, as it would be an Act of futility Trying to enlighten those (Spiritually) Blind & Content being Blinded! So, a Blind person could say, I haven't Seen Anything since Birth, Therefore Everyone else Should Prove there Are Thing's to be Seen! Etc.. But, you Might say, Feel the Warmth of the Sun, Feel the Chill of the Snow, Listen to the Bird's playing & the Grass being thrashed gently by the Wind, use your Able senses to see. Etc.. Then the Blind might say, I refuse to Believe Anything Can be Seen, & Until Others Prove There Are Thing's to be Seen, I should be Proven Incorrect or I'll mock Them & ridicule Them for seeing what Blind Cannot See! Do you See? Thanks. P.S., I was being comical about the Cartoon Jesus Meme, but I like to joke in silly ways sometimes. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/23/18 04:36 AM)
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My Elysium Trips Lore Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Another quick example.
If there are arguably Countless Billions of Fish / Marine Life in Ocean. I wonder what Percent of Sea Creature have actually Seen a Human in the Form of a Scuba Diver...? So, then, you Might see, that Most All Marine Animals have Probably not actually Seen a Human Scuba Diver. But does that Negate or Debunk or Argue for or against the Reality, that what is called "Human" People, have Many Territories & Property & Everything that humans have, but only usually Above sea level, now. But Same Planet using Same Global Systems, like the Rain Cycles & Moon & Daylight Hours to Night & Same Dirt from Earth & Same Countless things that could be argued as Similarities of Land Animals & Marine life. So, the fact that probably over 80% or more of People haven't actually Swam with say a Great White Shark, Most People can Agree that the Great White Sharks are Literary Species of Fish that have become Apex Predator in their own territories! So, just because Most people cannot say they have been Scuba diving with Great White Sharks, doesn't argue For or Against their Existence as Species of Sea Life! So, why would people Not Doubt that Countless things they have not literally seen, touched, felt, been to, witnessed, experienced something; Why do People not doubt these things claimed by others, But all atheists by Definition don't Believe in a God or gods? God is another name for Supreme Being! Or Creator of Existences, etc.. Did you see your parents conceive you as being Unborn? Probably Not. Do you Doubt that & make a philosophy about that? Of course not. So, just because you don't have Firsthand Physical Proof of Something for yourself, doesn't Debunk anything per se, except you are unaware. Like, children have to Grow up & Learn, to have some Abilities to live, but they Might of been literal orphans that didn't ever meet their parents. But don't you agree that they would probably Understand that Something besides Nothing at all - made them via a procreation of sorts? So,not seeing or not knowing, it doesn't mean it hasn't been Seen Nor Known, as like children, you will learn as you Grow & begin to experience more along the journey. But your biological parents aren't going to 24/7 Attached to you like Belting you together at the Waist. Arguably Parent's & Children want Alone time, especially after kids reach puberty & such. So, don't Orphans have lineage or Heritage of Ancestors? And don't many Realize that they indeed had a Heritage of Past "Quantum Entangled" Parents basically Probing &/or getting Probed? Heh. So, Orphans have Heritage, parents, ancestors, etc., that arguably All were the Progeny of the Catalyst of Creator! So, just because Atheists Don't Know who their Creator Was / Is, doesn't negate the Evident Axiom that Atheists too had / have a Primordial Parent Creator, that arguably cannot be Incarnate at Every Planet, Place, & Every Time & Day, of Creator Being Physically Apparent, but the Evidence is still all around. Because if Creator was Omnipresent Incarnation in Human form, there would be People & Nothing except Infinite Bodies via Eternal Space Time! And it would be All Creator Incarnated & nothing & nobody else. See? So, like Parents Leave their Children for usually short periods of time, it doesn't mean the Parents never existed nor are Ever coming Back! So, I See Creator as somethings inexplicable in words, but like a Parent in Many ways, except cannot be Compared to a Parent easily. So, arguably the Creator would Want to train the Babies to learn to help themself, & be their own teachers via a foundation of basics, but then let them be their own driving force to succeed in Reasonable ways. Or, you Might teach a teenager to drive a car, but you don't want to be Always want to Only allow child to drive with you as passengers, you'd probably give him freedom & such. So, this is like the Creator, not always going to be Teaching & Showing & Physically Present next to you, but you can still be Guided even while seemingly Alone in life & use your past knowledge to better your future! Etc.. So, Atheists are Like Orphans that don't know better, but the Lord said, I won't always leave you as Orphans, I'm coming to Rescue you & will be with you! Etc.. So, be aware that even very educated people can be Foolish at many things & ways! My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/23/18 05:40 AM)
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sudly Quasar Praiser Registered: 01/05/15 Posts: 14,437 |
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In that case you'd make a good Jihadist.
It's Jesus, the sandals wearing robe touting hippy. Science says gravity, peer reviews say gravity too. A scientist might tell you if there are bacteria or parasites in the water, they'd also probs tell you how water is essential for life and how it allows us to grow crops and sustain our economies, societies and wellbeing.
Just remember, you're an athiest in regard to the more than 1000 gods out there today too. I see.. as said in the holy texts, the Earth surely has 4 corners. -------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
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redgreenvines Kaptain Obvious 👀  Registered: 04/08/04 Posts: 46,768 |
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I think that belongs in https://www.shroomery.org/forums
but there are 4 kinds of non-superstitious, or non-esoteric reincarnation: 1) being reborn in the morning after 'dying' to sleep. 2) becoming someone else in a dream, or meeting the dead in a dream. 3) every few seconds (usually 3 seconds)experiencing a slightly or dramatically new mental attitude framework. these are all pretty strict views of an impermanent self. all really use the same body. no soul migrates 4) there are also expressions a person can make that last after death that the rest of society, or some group of people promote, or extend through their lives, like carrying a torch for a cause, or an idea, or art; and which, in an extreme case is known as martyrdom, but could be simple like a famous poet. poetically you can say their energy lives on or persists through other beings. (I think this is really what is happening when tibetan tulkus go out to find their reincarnated buddhist colleagues and leaders) --------------------  _ 
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RJ Tubs 202   Registered: 09/20/08 Posts: 7,712 Loc: USA 
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The possibility of eternal life scares me to death.
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Xeny  Registered: 02/15/08 Posts: 387 Last seen: 6 years, 8 months |
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I think we could expand this to every action you make leaves mark, changes something, altering the way it plays our forever. Those things never die and are cause by you and me -------------------- Ik hou van je While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John
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redgreenvines Kaptain Obvious 👀 Registered: 04/08/04 Posts: 46,768 |
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many visions of the akashic record suggest that everything done might be recorded permanently.
that is not the case, however, when you are really stoned, you may fall into the akashic record space time continuum where it appears that everything that happened is still happening. -------------------- _
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akira_akuma Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ  Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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don't worry, you won't remember any of this.
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My Elysium Trips Lore Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Jihadist? I couldn't even spell that & had to look. Nah, man, I said I have confidence that this Faith I have is Mostly Credible, but Moot in Many ways. So, I can believe in a Creator Deity / God, & also Disband All Religions, in many regards! I see Religion as something that has turned into Shameful, because the lack of empathy & compassion for the "non believers," so I see All Religions as having Truth & such, but has been Perverted by the Con Artists! So, I agree with you that Manifest Science is Easy to falsify & Could again whence the 1k years is passed like you said of burning information per quote. But regardless that Science is Apparent by Many, via little test people can Try. That doesn't Negate the Manifest Questions, Like Where did Science Come From Anyways? So if you Hijacked say a Ship in the Ocean. Then what follows after is like the Movie "Midnight Train," or some Perpetually Moving Train Movie, where the Hijackers has succeeded by Stealing the Ride & has been Brainwashing & imposing & slaving the many on the Ride.So, if you couldn't actually Know what is Outside the Ride, who Began the Ride, Where the Ride is Going & it's velocity & trajectory & who engineered & Made the Ride & what said Maker is capable of. Etc.. Then yes, Brainwash is Logical to assume since the whole world is basically enslaved to a tiny few of Billions of slaves. But if the Maker is Arresting, Convicting, Proving Guilty, Exposing, etc., the Hijackers of the Ride, then the Hijackers Only have so long before their "Candles go out," etc.. So, just because Many will Lie, Cheat, Steal & Destroy, etc., to make Extra money. This doesn't mean that they aren't being Ultimate Judged, even if they go longer without being convicted of that. So, hence a Reason why Many would Rather be Atheist, because they Want to not Answer to a Cosmic Parent for their Actions. Now, I don't Believe the Creator of Everything even Cares about the Average Atheists, I don't Believe Creator is trying to think of ways to Punish the Erroneous (non) Believers who don't Believe The Truth, The Whole Truth, Nothing but the Truth, etc.. I think Creator is more concerned about What People Can Help for Themself! Like, anyone of Sufficient adult mind, could see that Science indeed can predict Many Natural Phenomenon, & very accurately to do many things confidently, but if the Intellectually Honest People know enough to see there is a Bunch of Blind People who can see, And are Terribly Thirsty because they cannot see any water off yonder & are thinking about how long they can last without dying, but they cannot Come to Realisation that there is an Oasis of Mini Paradises Everywhere except where they couldn't find. So, if you have Vision or Sight to actually see the Oases with Many Fresh Water Pools & Coconut Tree's & fruits & such. Then you See that all you would need to do is Point the Way for the Blind People & give them a Straight Path to Follow & even a Walking Line to hang on to while getting to Oasis! So, if it isn't too inconvenient for you, The Right things to do, would be to actually Help the Blind People get some Clean, Fresh Spring Water before they Die of Thirst! So, It would be Helpful to Help the Blind People, on a metaphorical sense, & I believe This is what the Juggernaut Judge will consider. It wouldn't be the Blind Peoples fault if they died because they couldn't See, but those who could have just Pointed the Way to Life, & help on little ways to Help People who cannot help themselves very Good. So, the Blind People couldn't help themself, but those knowing that the Blind are Perishing because lack of knowing better, & continue to not even tell the Blind People to watch out for Perils ahead While they are going in Opposite Directions, the Blind People are Innocent & those who could witness the Blind were headed towards destruction & opposite of Life, the Guilty would be those who witnessed & didn't Help! So, that is how I even See Atheists as a Collective of Faith based Upon no gods, etc., Where some are Knowing they are Being Intellectual Deceptive but do it anyways for whatever reasons. And many are Genuinely Atheist out of No Secret Agendas but just have been told No Creator is Needed in "Science," etc., & so the Genuine skeptics were Pulled into Same thing as a Religion - a Cult- like Mentality where you have to Rugh over was is Truth & Who says the Truth, etc.. So, the Atheists, most of them genuinely don't Believe in a God & will even Fight why No God ever existed, etc., but they are Not Guilty like those Intentionally Propagating Atheism or Bearing False Witness & Testimony, when they Know what is Right & do Wrong! Or, The People obeying their Flawed Conscience in Sincere Ways, will be seen as Saints, even if they make Many mistakes along the way. While Those Deceivers to themself & others, are More Guilty in Countless ways, on Morality. So, like the Hijackers Example above, Just Because the Hijackers could Claim Many things, say they declares that the Pirated Ship or Train was originally the Size of a peanut & they Then ate the Peanut & popped out their Train or Ship, & that Nothing Eternal outside of them was Responsible for Creating a Ship or Train, etc., then Years Afterwardà when New Babies are born & the continuation of this Illogic Arguments about many thing's been Forced on the children, etc., etc., it still doesn't actually Mean that what their Many Metaphysical Theories are, are Correct! For example, Scientists can have Faiths like Anyone else! But, Sciences is supposed to deal with Objectives things that can be researched & observed, etc.. So their Atheism is fine, but they should Mix their Science with (lack of) Religions Beliefs, unless they Want to Play Theologian or someone Else Deeply Aware could inform. Or, if I'm tracing about an Omega Garden of Mushrooms in Mush Rooms, Why would I begin to talk about Sex life While I was Younger? It just wouldn't be the place & time for that. So, Scientist Preaching Atheism, while they are supposed to be Objective & Unbiased & remain Pertinent in Facts, Scientists trying to Think for People by using fallacies, is quite Paradoxically, don't you think? Or, your Belief in a God isn't Needed to be a Scientists on Earth, but maybe your Life Itself is Needed to Live Again or Live Better lives, etc.. Or, the Self- Deafeating Scientist who Claim thing's about others while they are being Hypocritical that they are Biased & Not Objective, & has Agendas & will Try to maybe even do Shady thing's to capitalize 9ff of others ignorance, pain & suffered, etc.. So, I cannot believe Scientists Just because Many thing's they say have been repeated many Times, I cannot pledge allegiance to Scientist's just because they have Discovered thing's about Creation & can repeat or Copy some novelties! I cannot even begin to Know exactly what is True & what is False, when a False System is Installed & the System actually uses Truths but incorporates False things in there to Capitalize off of Corporations or Bribery, etc.. So, How many People can Prove Correct & Incorrect, Everything Scientists have Claimed is Real & Factual & Incontrovertible Proof of their Allegations? I'd say, Most People don't have the Time, Energy, Tools, Background, etc., to Begin to Battle Replicating Everything Scientists have Claimed is True, but the Science- Cult membership Need Faith because they Need to trust the "Experts" & "Professionals" by having Blind Faith, without explicitly saying these words, etc.. So, the countless Atheists by intellectual Blindness, Also is being Herded into a sort of Dogmatic Cult, that when "authorities" Exclaim things to the Sheep & then expect the Atheist Sheep to Follow or Concur, etc.. So, just because a Group of People can see that the is some Rhymes & Reasons behind things, & then can begin to use Language to Rhyme & Reason, it doesn't mean that those Learning something are Responsibly for Something nor are inevitable the Designers or Makers or Engineered of those things. So, Ask Any Scientists to Start with Nothing, No Time, No Space, No Energy, Nothing, Then see if Any Science couldn't Make Anything if They themselves didn't even exist to Know Enough about Making of Anything! So, a Bunch of Broken Records or Those who Sponge up Information to Regurgitated it again, Said People are Foolish even they they have much to Regurgitate! So, having a Big Mental Capacity, only to become another That Repeats what already has been Programmed by the Hijackers, obviously isn't very Wise if they only Believe was the Consensus says or another Cult is looking to Proselytize, etc.. Even Science is a Cult! So, the Scientists can interject Anything they Want to in any Area's of life, but just because they have a Degree in Science, doesn't Make them Perfect & Inerrant Infallible people without any Agendas to profit from, etc.. So, a Plumber might have a Master's License in that, but the Plumber might not know anything about like Automotive Mechanics, etc.. So the Plumber should Not Pretend he is the Best Mechanic if he only changed an Oil or something small from Before! So, the Scientists might be Good at certain things they are Trained in, but they still Cannot say with any Intellectual Honesty, that they are Inerrant & Infallible & don't have Any Agendas nor have Not Lied & Know Everything avoid Everything! So, a Scientist might be Good at maybe engineering, but that Same scientist who's good at this, Might not be Skilled at plumbing & might need to call a plumber if the SHTF, for example. And the Plumber with the Matters license, Might be Good at Fixing the Scientists Plumbing, but cannot engineer much. So, both Scientists & Plumbers are Human, & Humans are Imperfect People that can & have been Corrupted or Corruptable, etc.. Neither of them Know Many things. But the Plumber could talk mean things about plumbing, while the Scientist might be able to Engineer things to Help the Plumber work. Etc.. But both Plumber & Scientist, have Many beliefs about many things, but they would have to admit, Scientist's Cannot Know Many things that They Say! Then only Presume Things having Blind Faith in the Integrity of Other Scientists working in another field or job, etc.. So, by you Quoting a Scientist who is atheist, it is evident that you Might be pushing an Agenda that Those Scientist's Sold you (out) for Free! Scientists don't work on Metaphysics per se, otherwise it Wouldn't be Metaphysics! And them speaking as if they Know the Metaphysical, & trying to gain a posse of Cult Followers, is Hypocritical in itself! So, let them be a Theologian or something if they Want to speak about that as being skilled at that. Otherwise, whatever they Believe & profess in the private lives are fine, but the Agenda for Scientists to Prove Atheism, is rather foolish to dedicate yourself to Proving some Metaphysical thing outside of Scientists realm, is rather ironical! Like I'm not going be dedicated to Prove the Fact there is No Cheese on the Moon, as I now couldn't Know either way & to dedicate self to the debunking of Moon Cheese, is rather foolish. Would you agree? And I believe the Scientists are Jealous, many are, of the fact than They Cannot Explain Many things & also that they can be so learned & still Nothing in the Big Picture, & then Try to Debunk anything that isn't Apparent to them! Like, I don't Know exactly how Creation Began, but I can Still say & Believe it Began somehow. But I won't be dedicated to Prove it either way, as that isn't something easily done, especially if metaphysical! So, your Faith in Scientists I'd nice, I really don't Care about Scientists anymore than the Blind People who are Lost because of the Professionals using Poison to Toxify the "Inferior" to Scientists! So, a Wise Man Once Said, If the Blind Follow the Blind, They all will Fall together! And I don't care about Scientists, many are Good People, but Science in itself is Self- Existing without Any Scientist per se, & The Science will Still Be Same, with or without "Scientists," etc.. So, a Bunch of Hackers can do Many things, & deceive many, & Even if Things are Twisted & Changed, etc., The Truth Remains with Creator, & the Hackers will get what is due to them, Sowing & Reaping. So, the Information Hackers, regardless of their abilities, Will Die Some day, & if they Meet their Maker & have themself to Blame, it really didn't win them anything if Eternity awaits their Just "Rewards," etc.. So, the Hackers can Hack, but they still are arguably also being Monitored & Inspected & Recorded, etc., but maybe a Heavenly Host, & their own actions will condemn them or vindicate them, one day - even if after a Whole Life! So, I don't have High Regards for Scientist in General, many are Good while Many are Corrupted, so your Scientist Quotes about their Metaphysical Opines, is Evidence for your gullibility & being in the Scientific Atheistic Cult, so Way to Go! You won the prize, of Believing the "Authority" lies, etc.. Please, don't be Foolish, I would rather hear from YOU than your dogmatic Faith in some People who obviously don't Know anything, relatively, & I don't Care about your Bible of Scientists Quotes; & Why are you Atheistic if you Also don't have Blind Faith that there is No God, etc.? Or, I'm assuming you're atheistic. So, I have great distress for the world, it is like Everyone is Blind except the literally Blind who can actually See more than the superficials, etc.. So, Scientist's Quoted don't Impress Self, I really don't Care, Why are they pushing Agendas of Faiths when they deal in the Objective things? So, It shows their Personal Biases & they are delving into what is Metaphorical in Nature & subjective in Many Regards, many times. So, Why should People have a Cult Following for Scientists? If the Scientists are Objective Intelligent People, Them Advancing a Faith based Agenda is them showing their Hipocracy! Truly Objective People don't Try to Advance what isn't Objective! Like a Scientist trying to Prove the Meaning, Purpose & Ultimate Truths of life. Etc., it just isn't very Objective to attempt & is futile in essence, for a Truly Objective Scientists. Etc.. So, If you had All the Scientists "in the world," If there was Nothing, No Space, No Time, No Energy, etc., Nothing. Do you Think they could Think at all to Create Anything? So, The Clay is Slandering the Potter, So the Potter might Smash the Bad in Pieces to Recycle the Materials into Wometh on of Better Use. So, Missing Scriptures via Hackers, They have what is due them, even if it takes All their Lives of Toils, etc.. My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/25/18 09:30 AM)
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My Elysium Trips Lore Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Thanks. I appreciate your comment, like even the other guy I've made past X commenting to, nothing except having dialogue to learn & teach in ways that are edifying & such. And I agree much of your post I'm quoting, Sleep is like Reincarnation in a way, that you end up being conscious & awake, to being basically unconscious & dead! Basically it could be agreed with common words, without being too technical about it. So, I believe in Reincarnation, like I believe Flowers can Reincarnate, like all Annual Flowers by definition - Usually Die annually. But I see the flowers as Perennials, as they Also are around when the Season is correct. Etc.. So, whether a Flower has a Consciousness or Soul or has a Mind, etc., it moot for this discussion, but if they did have a consciousness, I assume that their Consciousness or Soul could be Reborn into Anything that Nature Wishes, etc.. So, I believe that Space & Rome is Relative, so Almost Everything Else is Relative if Space & Time are Not objective nor quantifiable nor are Constants, etc.. But... But, If a person believes in Any Deaths by Faith, except Eternally Dead/Unconscious after the Body is Without a Spirit; What would Death Even be to those who don't Believe they can literally Die, because of Faith that their (Spirit) Essence is Recyclable or is immortal in ways? So, It could be said, When a Person "Dies," the Only that Die is Not the Person who left the Body, but Everyone Left Behind! Or the Left Behind are the Only Cognizant of the recently Passed People, but the Passed People cannot Know themself ever if they are Eternally Unconscious like some atheists profess. (Only Consciousness can be Conscious, etc.). So, the Dead Person, Technically Cannot Experience being Dead in any Real Ways that People Imagine. It is like being in a Dream & then Awoken AGAIN, or vice versa. Where the Dream could have been Reality or Vice versa, etc.. And what if the "Dead" just keep on Living like Nothing even Happened? Like who could tell Someone that they are Literally Dead? Because isn't it strange to imagine the Literal Dead could talk about that? E.g., A dead person wouldn't say, Okay - tell me Now exactly how I Died. Etc.. Otherwise, Death is basically another word for another dimension! So, Either Way, No Afterlife or Indeed an Afterlife, The Dead cannot Know Death! Because if Consciousness Is Life, or vice versa, Then Nobody Dead could even know that. So, what is Death? How can Anyone even say with Confidence, unless they only are interjecting their own beliefs & such? So, I Don't Believe in Death, I don't Believe that Death is something to Die in Fear about. Or, I have other things to worry about than after I'm dead. It's like I'm Petrified Remains with People who are "alive." Or, I would rather die than have to deal with Many things, as I see Death as a Way out of Trouble, once the Lord takes us eventually. So, I don't fear being Dead so much, I fear dying more. I Don't fear making mistakes as much as letting people down. I don't fear failing as much as failing others. And I don't fear Self too much, but I am like a People-A-Phobic. I would rather be alone than deal with the Drama of the World where some are back- stabbers & such, & can ruin others world because of their Own whatever. So, in Nature on Earth, No Other Creatures are Like Humans, With such Capacity to Better Life & Nature, or to Destroy it, etc.. So, People are mostly just Ordinary People, but ordinary people of today basically need to help themself fix themselves! (I cannot make Anyone believe anything & nor would I want to Make them believe or Do something or whatever, etc., People need to Think for Themself & do for themselves what they Can do)). Or, just obeying the Golden Rule would work miracles for Many! So, I Don't Trust People much, as I have observed Most cannot be Trusted, even the very Poor & Very Rich & Many in between! And some don't even know what the Real Problems even are, to then begin to hypothesize prototype solutions! So People are Mostly Good People that have been Corrupted or deceived by others, but people are frightening many times, as Most Arrests are Made Involving 2+ People who start trouble, etc.. So, because People are the Biggest Trouble Makers on Earth, in many ways, I don't want to be involved! As People can Lie & Many awful things, then end up trying to Sabotaged other's for whatever their Agendas are. So, I can Almost Guarantee, that the People Problems, came from People Problems. So, People themselves have turned others personal Lives, into a Living Hell. So, If police are called, Usually it's because More than a single person is involved. If Police Arrest & Condemn people because some Angry Acquaintance, then the Problem was Not a Single Person, but 2 or more People! So, if it only takes 2+ to Tango, then being a Single One, can Prevent the Other People Problems! Or I see it like this, People are very Dangerous! The most Dangerous of all the Creatures of Earth Are People! Not because of Anything Per Se, but because of their Lacking of (Knowing) Enough / Jealousy / Spite, & Many other attributes. Etc.. So if I am a reclusive introvert & don't bother with others, I really cannot get into Trouble like Others can cause more drama. And when another can put you into Prison for whatever, it really is frightening to think that just 2+ People interacting has caused so much Grief! I'm only saying that I believe that I'm content to not be involved with the World in personal ways, because most Drama is via 2 or More People! And drama can end up incurring many things, even "Deaths," etc.. So, I don't really care what people do, I just don't want to be involved with any drama that involves 2 or more People. I have enough Drama by being alone. Anyways, I will just say, If Reincarnation is a Headstrong Belief for Countless People. How do you Reconcile Afterlife with Any Real Experiences of Death? I don't see that that is possible, I don't Believe Anyone could Ever experience being Dead! And everyone could have already died countless Times & are Now Born Again, in a literal Sense. So, I could have Died, but I cannot ever experience that. So, Death basically is something External People Experience, while Those Passes from the Passed Body, will not ever experience a moment of Death. If so, How can this be? In other words, Is Death Only something the Left Behind Say in Exclamations? My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/25/18 09:27 AM)
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Throwing Pebbles into a Stagnant Pool of Water that get Amplified in some senses or Just is like a Butterfly Effect! Like what happens to People, even Past History, has Effected the Recent History & Present Moments. Like, What if say a Certain Person wasn't Born...? Could have been Any person than wasn't even Born. What if those Reading this weren't Really Ever Even Born? Wouldn't that be Something unfathomable? So, I agree with what you're saying in quotes above. But exactly what impacts what & to who extent, is hard to calculate what it has done or will do, etc.. Like, life is fragile in Many ways, & Even an unbalanced diet of Nourishment, can lead to what became Sorrows for Many others. So, I believe the the Best Each person can do, is Be the Best they personally can, & then Hopefully that will Ripple Goodness, etc.. So, even just working on yourself & Not others, could be the best you can do, etc.. Then, the More People that are Bettering themself, arguably can then Better (effectively) Better Others. So, yea, its like if a person put bottle of Poison in a Stream, those Downstream, might be severely harmed. While the converse is True, if said Same person didn't intentionally poison those Downstream & Didn't put poisons in Water, then that Also would be Cause & Effect. Or not Causing the Poisoning to Effect those Downstream! Etc.. So, it could be said, There is No Time & Space, & Everything is Externally Here & Now. So, it is only the Moment People can work on, even if it's fixing things from Past Moments, etc.. Sometimes you need to let thing's be Water under the Bridge, While other Times it's Plumbing the Water to Bridge Thing's together, etc.. P.S., Says so, This Person or Per'son. My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (02/25/18 09:49 AM)
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BrendanFlock Maharaja! Registered: 06/01/13 Posts: 6,664 Loc: Magikality Last seen: 10 hours, 5 minutes |
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I think there is a place we go in dreams, and that the bardo thodol is similar to this
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Cracka_X Spiritual Dirt Worshipper   Registered: 01/25/03 Posts: 8,809 Loc: Swamp |
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Karma and Reincarnation are very real.
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redgreenvines Kaptain Obvious 👀 Registered: 04/08/04 Posts: 46,768 |
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on a moment to moment basis - I have to agree
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akira_akuma Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 6 years, 7 months |
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in the utmost literal fashion, we are constantly coming apart and coming together.
literally. in otherwords, dying and rebirth.
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My Elysium Trips Lore Registered: 11/04/17 Posts: 1,442 Loc: FM Radio...? Last seen: 8 years, 3 months |
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Yes, but I'm not sure about Bardo Thodol, I would need to research it. So, question I have. Is, What is Reality & What is a Dream, & where is Consciousness Located, & Is there a definite Body / Spiritual Consciousness Interdependencie? For example. Many People would say you a Body to be alive & conscious. But a friend, scholar & gentlemen - opined a few years ago, "Does Consciousness actually need a Body? Or can it be intangible & still intelligent & award, etc.?" And it is counterintuitive to think Obviousness Might be Independent of Physicality! In other words, Maybe a Body is like only a little day of Work! Or, you have a Missile to do in a Body, then Heaven's sends the Souls - & there we are, as physical people that have on Another Suit to wear for this Mission of Earth, or whatever. Like, you get Send from Heavens, to be born & learn & live & fight for Righteousness Sake & hopefully enjoy much of the life While being diligent with the time. Like going to Battle Giants & Monsters & Evils, if you had a Dream where you were like a Salvation Soldier! Or, I see Life as Supernatural in it's Foundation of Incalculable Probabilities of Everything being Manifest to Witness. So, even if I don't actually have like Supernatural Miracles happening in eyesight daily, I can know that it's Supernatural to be alive & contemplated & ponder these things & more. And little facts, like how All Children is Recent Recorded History on Earth, are basically Nano- Replicators in their mother's womb, & are Stitched together like a Masterpiece of Work, per what is said about the Human Body & all the Systems to have the Hardware to be conscious inside a Body Picture. And Every little child, for Countless Centuries, all little Babies in their mothers wonbs, is simply Dirt & Mud & Element's & Water, being Stitched together to form People Babies. Heh. Barclays All Real Foods, from Plants ultimately, the Plants basically only feed off of what is in the Dirt, the Roots that is. So, as per Thousands of Years, Mothers have personal Nano Replicators, that Take & Use what is basically Dirt (during organic farming), & turns that into little Conscious People that can experience what can be Deam- Like to many at many times. So, hence another reason why I don't subscribe to Atheism! So, Maybe Life is Soo Supernatural or Paranormal, that People have been Spiritually Blinded to see it. Like, if you are in the Fields on a nice Summer day with a comfortable temperature, humidity & wind & sunlight, you Might be appreciative of such a splendid thing to enjoy. But conversely, if you are in the Same Place at another time & it begins to be a tumultuous storm. Many People would be frightened or worried or seek shelter. They might get upset about it & curse, etc.. But, it is still Nature doing the Nature thing, & it is Still Awesome to observe to Many People who enjoy that Entertainment by watching the Weather Changes & Seasons. Like, it is Summer in Northern Hemisphere, but Winter below the Equator. And that was Achieved by a Tipping or Tilting of apparently a Spinning Globe of Dirt & Water! And the fact of the apparent Daytime & Nighttime effects, because the Light is Always moving towards an opposite Side or hemisphere, East to West, etc., it also provides Many benefits that are Essences to life on earth! And even the Water Cycles of Evaporation & Condensation & Raining, like Beyond Comprehensive how long that's been going on. And the fact that Wind has an apparent force that can actually blow thing's around, like plant's to strengthen their cells, etc.. To the fact that Earth is Basically a Self Sustaining Terrarium that has Everything Materialistic Needed here. So, it is like so Magical is many ways, than is has become Mundane & many people cannot see, that them having Senses at all is in Many ways Creator Magical! And even Dreaming is Magical many times. Etc.. So, we just basically are Planted to a Body, & our Body is like a plant that is Rooted to the Ground, where our Spirit's are Clinging to the Body, so it is just Ironic how it has become Mundane to the Point of people trying to Explain the Manifest things in front of them, but cannot Explain why is is Manifest in front of them at all. Etc.. Anyways, I swear that its Possible that life is But a Dream! Like the Little Tea Pot - Song! No, it's Row Row Your Boat. Well, I am not in under 12 years old & haven't desired to engulf in Fairy Tales & children songs & such. Not like childcare do, etc.. So, if Life is But a Dream, Eventually People will Wake up, hopefully in Good Ways that can show them what they needed to be learned. Like, Dreaming is like the Past Moments. Many can recollect certain past dreams, like some Awake Memories are in a similar fashion, maybe a little vague, etc.. And the Fallible Brain that everyone has, is what is the Computer to Retrieve those memories & start to form Mental Meanings or pictures in your Consciousness!, So, if Dreams & Reality can both be Vague or Vivid in memory. What Makes Dreams as Less Real that "awake Reality?" So, If Both are Stored in the "Brain," & the Brain is the Hardware computer to relay to your Consciousness or intelligence, why would Dreams be Fictional if the person Genuinely experiences said dreams? So, imagine if the Afterlife is like that. Where you Wake Up & Realize you were Sleeping? Just something to Ponder off yonder, a little Blonder, fonder, etc.. So, maybe there is No Death to Anyone who got the Get Out of Jail Card...? Or, you Die, & you don't even know it. So, staying alive is Good for most, but to have the consoling of believing that People won't "taste death," as Scriptures say, is something that should be discussed! Like, it might be like Winning the Lottery! Except I am not saying this right, but trying to console anyways about the Passsed People or those close to Passing. So, if Death is Inevitable, & Death is Unknown about the Deceased, it begs the question. Why should Dying be Bad if its inevitable & scientists Cannot even come to conclusion about If there is Afterlife or Time After Time, because they would need to actually another Dimensions Proof of what this Dimension cannot sense readily or easily. But enough about this. Hopefully everyone lives Good, Long & Fulfilling lives, but life is still very brief & life will Always have high & lows, pros & cons, etc.. But at the end of the day, I know that all I can do is try to be helpful to others & self, then Try not to Ponder what is beyond a Poor, Blind Man's abilities, etc., to be metaphorical. My Elysium Trips -------------------- I MET ME-T, or M-ET, on Voyages via My Elysium Trips. Remember that Life is But a Trip, & Tripping is Perpetual, Whether Sober or not. So, Tripping isn't anything but going along on a Trip. My Elysium Trips Edited by My Elysium Trips (03/01/18 10:16 AM)
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redgreenvines Kaptain Obvious 👀 Registered: 04/08/04 Posts: 46,768 |
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I prefer finnegan's wake to word salad
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Deadfrancis I am you Registered: 03/18/17 Posts: 690 Last seen: 7 years, 7 months |
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there is no heaven and there is no hell, but people can still be tormented by confusion, and immense boredom, in the afterlife.
it only makes sense that we are ghosts. i had my eyes opened towards the fact in many ways, one being omar gosh on youtube, who goes to haunted places and gets activity on camera, and he is a trustworthy person, not a liar. the pleiadians tell us that souls do get recycled, and that people who believe in the spoon fed story of god will wind up at the annunaki recycling center on the moon to have their minds wiped and sent back to earth to serve another term as a slave to the system. the more we desire a father figure the more controllable we are, we may follow beings to a dark place because they comforted us. there is both darkness and light in the afterlife, not like it all just disappears but I think it is all connected, and we migrate to where we feel more secure at, and can still travel to denser or lighter energy places, probably just not for very long, until we evolve or devolve to the resonance needed to exist in whatever realm we wish to explore. i always thought that my mom was a liar or that someone had lied to her about ghost stories but i believe them now.
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