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OfflineGomp
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    #3147596 - 09/17/04 11:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So, what/who/why is dying?
i kinda guess i need to understand death to "grasp" the whole living thing :wink:

please post your thoughts on the subject.

ill start whit something, lets see..
death is only "mind" changing The state or condition of being conscious?


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3147689 - 09/17/04 11:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I actually can't wait until death. I'm serious. I used to be terrified of it. I wouldn't be able to sleep because of my fear of death and it completely immobilized me.

Then I started being more consious of now and the "me," realizing that my identity is worthless and who I am not who I appear to be. That is, I am a soul, a shard of the divine, just awareness fashioned into a body. I believe the human soul is enduring. And I started realizing that death will be such an exciting time, such a moment of transition unlike anything we've experienced before. (but possibly have experienced before???) Who knows what can happen with death?? I've chosen to face it with excitement instead of fear.

Essentially, I love life even more now that I am not afraid of death. I don't know what I am expecting from death, but I can say that I expect everything and nothing to happen. That is, I'll face and accept what comes, but I will not be surprised whatever happens. It is going to be awesome. I'm high right now so maybe my enthusiasm is sounding weird but we all die so what else can we do but accept it with a smile???


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3147700 - 09/17/04 11:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> please post your thoughts on the subject.

Without death there can be no life.


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Re: Death [Re: Seuss]
    #3147712 - 09/17/04 12:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Ellemyshade, I agree with what you say. Death is impossibe, and I welcome the experience. It will be the ultimate trip! Having said that, I am loving every minuite of life too....The divine contridiction!
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Re: Death [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3148602 - 09/17/04 04:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

heres the thing. The world we are living in now is a world of polarities, it is a relative world. Everything in it exists only because of its opposite (or only in relation to its opposite) and that includes life itself! So without death, life as we know it could not exist!

just as high cannot exist without low, and light cannot exist without dark, like cannot exist without death.

but..

be aware that this 'life' is not the only one you have lived nor will live, and i dont mean that in just the reincarnation sense. This is but one dimension, one way of percieving and experiencing, and their are other ones awaiting you after death/leaving the 3rd dimension.

so death is definetly not the end of you or your journey, it is just the end of this phase of it.


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Re: Death [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3149409 - 09/17/04 07:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

you die every moment of your life.

you are also born every moment of your life.

the day your death becomes final, so does your life.

the expectation will be gone, a new adventure awaits...

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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3149436 - 09/17/04 07:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Death is a long lost Friend I'm waiting to meet again when his plane lands. But while I'm waiting I'm not going to sit around bored I'm going to have fun to pass the time.  :hippie:



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Re: Death [Re: Todcasil]
    #3149563 - 09/17/04 08:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the expectation is gone :P


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3149622 - 09/17/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I posted this in the afterlife thread, but it's relevent here too:
We all end up in the same place, it's just that different people and religions have different names for it. There is Nirvana/Heaven/Paradise/Brahma which is where we all end up eventually, and there is hell/reincarnation, in this we are reincarnated, die and reincarnated again until our karma is good enough and we have seen this pattern (reached enlightenment/had a religious experience. Then you just chill and have fun for the remainder of that life, and when you die instead of being trapped in the same cycle you ascend up to nirvana. I've experienced both nirvana and the cycle,and I feel that this is my last incarnation, i'd like to spread the experience to all who want it. One more thing, in Nirvana there is no personality, there is no thought, there is no time, just awareness, bliss, pleasure and peace, oh and the light, peace. Nirvana = Godhead: When you attain Godhead we do lose individuality, there is awareness, but no thoughts, no time just pure bliss, beyond words, beyond orgasmic, just total bliss and this light. This may sound impossible but having experienced it, I can tell you without a doubt it is possible and it will happen to everyone, once you have clean karma and get the point, you break out of the loop and arise into this light, and become one with the Godhead.


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3149625 - 09/17/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Death brings new life.

Worry about death, one worries about eternity.
Eat fresh food, live as long as food lasts.
We are all poisoned from machine.
Death is now slow and painful.
All life should not be wasted in supermarkets, looking for fresh food, should know where food is at at all times.
Should grow own food to never need another sources.
Chemical warfare.


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Re: Death [Re: Seuss]
    #3151831 - 09/18/04 08:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Without death there can be no life.

Hmm... I dunno about this. You seem to be suggesting that an opposite is required for life but an opposite isn't always necessary for a thing to exist.


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Re: Death [Re: Diploid]
    #3152250 - 09/18/04 11:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The Beauty Of Death



In Plato?s Phaedo Socrates explains to his disciples, that if he were to escape his death, he would be contradicting his life as a philosopher. He is quoted in saying, ?? those who practice philosophy alright are cultivating dying, and for them least of all men does being dead hold any terror. (Pp. 50). Although it may seem that philosophers live a very morbid existence one must also consider positive implications that can be derived from the quotation. Philosophers generally have a great interest in metaphysics; the nature of existence, and in this one can see many reasons for having an interest in cultivating death, or non-existence.
In Socrates? argument of opposites one can see that life and death have a complementary relationship in which they define each other. The concept of life does not exist without contrast with the concept of death. This is the same rule or reason that something would not be large without having the concept of small to compare it with. Since without the contrast, large would no longer be large because size is relative. If size were constant for everything there would be no need to define it; the way size varies allows the complementary concepts of big and small to emerge within it. In the same way one can see existence as varying, allowing the concepts of life and death to emerge within it. The implication stemming out from this is that both forms of existence, tangible and intangible, create an ultimately defining consistency within existence itself.
It is interesting to note that Socrates believed that everything we experience in the physical world is always understood in reference to the metaphysical world of ideals. We define the world around us and what we generally regard as real, in reference to intangible ideals; therefore reality is defined by what is intangible. Every moment of being, always has a background construction of metaphysical ideals and concepts that we associate and project onto the tangible world around us. For example, when one perceives a sunset as beautiful, they associate the intangible concept and feeling of beauty with the tangible perception of the sunset itself.
When Socrates is quoted in saying, ?Then if you see a man resentful that he is going to die, isn?t this proof enough for you that he?s no lover of wisdom after all, but what we may call a lover of the body??(Pp. 51) he is expressing that the fear of death, is the fear of ultimate intangibility the fear of loosing the comfort and assurance of physical reality. If one regards a philosopher in the same manner that Socrates did, a philosopher was one who searched for truth within his/her psyche and therefore wishes to indulge in the intangible realm of the mind and soul. So according to the Socratic way of thinking death is the true understanding of the psyche. It is the release from the anchor of our bodies to the sea of our minds.


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Re: Death [Re: Diploid]
    #3152271 - 09/18/04 11:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

"opposite isn't always necessary for a thing to exist."

interesting subject :wink:
could you give an example where you dont have an opposite?
ore many if you could. brain food ;P


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Re: Death [Re: ska8ball]
    #3152278 - 09/18/04 11:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I too am very excited for death- although I can wait awhile. I've got shit to do here, before I can move on.

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Re: Death [Re: Seuss]
    #3152393 - 09/18/04 11:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
Without death there can be no life.




Death is a term invented by the "living". If by life you mean what we merely perceive as life then ok but I feel there is a lot more to that. I can see where you're coming from though. Without hate, there can be no love for example as without hate we wouldn't know what love is eh?


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3152648 - 09/19/04 01:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Death is a door to the unknown
A door I will avoid as long as I can


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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3152768 - 09/19/04 01:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Death.. is Beautiful.


So take Death as it comes in your face and drips down your chin.




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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3153102 - 09/19/04 11:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Each moment dies to the creation of the next. After reading this, the associated 'you' is already dead, not left dead in this physical plane, but rather unreachable behind itself through the dimension of time.

What we consider true death, that is, death of this body, is no different. The moments of living self still exist simuntaneously in spacetime and yet our scanning conscious, once attatched to our perception, now is free to dissolve into the infinity of all. That is, so long as you don't cling to the concept of life, and like we all have done many times, find ourselves born again.

Death isn't bad though. That's a selfish view. Life is based upon death. These are also both just observations of matter from us, a living source. This is all just a single entity, perceptually broken down into time fragments by our points of consciousness, always attatching labels and understanding to the external, in turn the internal of the great being. It is a dance of sorts through the dimension of time, but only as we perceieve it, objectively - it is _. Through death, all boundaries dissolve and we will become the void.

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Re: Death [Re: deff]
    #3154026 - 09/19/04 10:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Death [Re: Gomp]
    #3154150 - 09/19/04 11:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Life is a smile on the lips of Death.



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