Duncan Rowhl said:

Icelander said:

You've gone off topic because you don't have the truth with you. So instead you make it about me and pretend to know if I'm angry or not. I said blah blah blah to your personalisms which you've been doing for some pages now and making that the bulk of your case. That's dishonest. I never  posted to you in the beginning and I only responded to you when you tried to tell me what was true for me. I showed you where you did  that but you chose to ignore it. I would never want to discuss anything of a spiritual nature with you. I was talking to the OP and telling him about conjectures that a famous Bishop had about the connection between christ and the magic mushroom. Why did you respond to me instead of the OP? I wasn't talking to you and I didn't say I believed or disbelieved christ consciousness  nor did I try to discredit anything (which you accused me of).  You've been blaming me for things I never did. What I did do is tell you I have no experience with christ and my shroom experiences did not seem to have anything to do with some idea called christ. You basically then told me I was wrong about my own experiences.

I have no anger towards christ consciousness because I don't know what it is. You have anger and resentment against anyone who expresses that.

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I have the truth in me, as does everyone else and there is not change in topic  Some, however, veil truth with anger, to name but one detriment.

Your reply was to me as stated and thus, a reply was given to your claim of  'At least that's your experience'.

There will be no spiritual understanding when there is clear and present anger in you.

You have an extraordinary amount of posts here and a lot of them, from what I've seen, have been very bitter indeed inclusive of ongoing naysaying, particularly against spiritual principles.  Regardless, despite that relevant note, which I suggest you consider, I wish you the best moving forwards.

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Icelander said:

I already told you I replied to you when you entered a conversation not directed at you where you started telling me what my truth was.  And I  did say that was your experience and not mine. So?  I never told you your experience wasn't valid for you. You implied mine were not valid.

I'll just keep letting your words speak for themselves. You can deny what  you said or ignore it but you did say it and it's right there in print. I never solicited your comments in that first post. I was focused on the topic and the OP.

The fact stands that you started this whole conversation by replying to me when I was replying to the OP. I'll ask again, why did you do that?

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You replied to the 3rd post in the thread as explained many times.

In fairness, I think that's enough on that now.

Icelander said:

You posted it to Icelander. That's me. You know how to post and you knew who you were posting to and you directed your words to me in particular. Do I have to quote it again. You would have posted it to the OP if you wanted to direct it to the topic. You addressed what you said to me.

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If you say so but I think it's just your opinion.  I've taken a handful of heroic doses of shrooms and often alone at night on strange mountain sides on the border between Calif/Oregon That wasn't my experience.

I'll bet it's really different for different people. But it must be nice to be so sure of everything. I think that's a christian thing because I remember the people in church being sure of everything too.

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agent said:

listne, jesus christ isnt a damn mushroom man, wake up, hes real, he created the mushroomological society as you know it today, they work for him, the mushrooms are not him, he is not a mushroom, he CREATED the mushrooms. your apart of the mushroomological society too, so accept it.

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At least we can close with some light ‘mushroomological’ comic relief.

The divine mushroom, is of course, linked to prehistoric times over 20,000 years ago, evident by multiple instances of intricate and illustrative rock art  (to name but one application) - not 2,000 years since the birth of Jesus and this stands as an important basis for many mycological, historical studies.

TheStallionMang said:

Here buddy...have some Jesus

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Ha Ha.. my little joke got me my first "ignored by" from a major contributor to this post.  That's what's wrong with people that want to spout on about jesus, they just take everything about it so goddamn seriously and have to put someone on "ignore" for not being as serious as they are. Enjoy your narrow-mindedness D.R. 

MarkostheGnostic said:

You simply have not been in these forums long enough to have read posts about topics that I have left behind. Included among them is the mental masturbation of theology. It is your own Adlerian psychodynamics that has you thinking superiority-inferiority, putting up-putting down. Your language betrays you. I do not make false or exaggerated claims, I respond honestly, so your comments say more about you than about me. I do not assume anything about my intellectuality, it is who I am. Any self-conscious attempt to appear to be intellectual is merely your projection of me, not an accurate description of me.  You are basically accusing me of showing off. Man, are you ever clueless. My wife tries to correct me for being too self-effacing much of the time, and her opinion matters.

The number of books I've read? That is coming from you. All I do is cite books I am familiar with when I think such citation may be helpful to someone. You fail to see my intention and misinterpret it as egoity or boasting. But why am I explaining myself to you anyway? Oh yeah, I value clarity, particularly in verbal/linguistic communication, even when I find another person waxing increasingly obnoxious or recalcitrant. As for intellectuality, I am 40 years post MTS degree from Drew University's theological seminary, and 35 years post-PhD, University of Maryland. My academic and clinical experience belongs to my real-life identity, not my pseudonymous Shroomery identity. But even in real-time, I never engage other professionals in puerile pissing contests, and right now m'man, you're just pissing into the wind.

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You are making the mistake of denying the very things you are so clearly guilty of.  Silly sausage.

On a less playful note, to hopefully drive home some crucial points in compromise of communicating it in an elongated post:

Your stance is based upon superiority and assumption.  Not only are you unaware of age or experience, you have no knowledge of how long anyone has been actively reading the forum. Your agenda is focused primarily upon convincing yourself that others have less than yourself.

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But why am I explaining myself to you anyway?

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MarkostheGnostic said:

I can rest comfortably knowing I had the patience to read your numerous obvious projections onto me and other posters. You have been told by at least two other posters that you have a significant ego problem. Not everyone can accept suggestion or correction. We're done here and henceforth. Peace be with you. 

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You return again needlessly after 6 days of actual 'peace' with another contribution.  Regardless of you pulling out the old ego 'projection' card, this is case and point of your own detrimental trait of that very nature, herein demonstrated.

You've received a lot of feedback yourself through the times, so you can heed it or disregard it as easily as you can my own advice, as I can when I sense simple emanations of bitterness.  The most important thing is, you read it.

Make your peace if you want it, but don't propose it whilst demonstrating the contrary.

Thus, as you so propose, with the accessory of my hope; Goodbye.