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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
I love how appealing to voters by promoting policies they like is somehow unfair.

"This is bullshit! The Dems are only doing X because thats what the people who vote for them want!"



because it - "X" - changes every election.

they pander. they pander hard.

they have no agenda, well they do, but it is simply to stay in power.

you'll see it next election too. during the run up of the campaign some new social injustice will be labeled, and democrats will say they are the only ones able to fix it.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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Let them?


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
I love how appealing to voters by promoting policies they like is somehow unfair.

"This is bullshit! The Dems are only doing X because thats what the people who vote for them want!"


they pander. they pander hard.


Isn't that what we want?  Someone that panders to the people's needs?

Do you want someone who doesn't pander to your own self interests???


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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The idiots on the right love the idea of rugged individualism so much that, to them, voting for a billionaire who doesnt give a fuck about their issues is somehow a virtue.

Sounds like mental illness to me.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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i agree with that entirely

in essence many of the people who mocked the "vote for me because im a woman" situation where merely just voting for him because he was a man

that was the bringer of many mega lols over the course of 2016

but beyond that its all just a matter of opinion who would have been better and the answer unfortunately isnt even what we are agreeing to get by voting, how truly ironic is that L O L!

i cant help but erupt in laughter when anyone presents a serious political argument that a candidate who never took office is "clearly" THE CANDIDATE who would have never made any of the mistakes the candidate in office made. the left is known for this type of bullshit talk.

not to say the right hasnt said those same things at certain times but im not really seeing any that stick out. how many times have people said that mccain and palin would have fixed the country more than obama? i cant think of any.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
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Identity politics has poisoned our discourse.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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oh beyond that its poisoned our entire society top down

everything is boiling down to sects, cliques, groups, memes and doctrines

its really sad to see the unfolding of it all especially in the political arena

its making some of the best brightest minds of our society feel that they need to shy away from politics entirely


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Identity politics has poisoned our discourse.



identity politics is democrat way of life.

gonna be a hard change. you will see their votes shrivel the fuck up quick if they do.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
Identity politics has poisoned our discourse.



identity politics is democrat way of life.

gonna be a hard change. you will see their votes shrivel the fuck up quick if they do.


Lol the GOP leans way more on idpol than the Dems do.

How else do you get half the country to vote against their interests? The GOP's platform has been "fuck poor people, tax cuts for the rich" for 50 years and yall will continue to vote GOP because they demonize brown people the way you do.

You honestly think Rupert Murdoch or Sheldon Adelson give a fuck about identity politics? They're using immigrants and muslims and BLM as a distraction while they rob you blind. And you fall for it time after time after time.

At least the Dems pretend to give a fuck, even though they will call you a racist misogynist if you try to push the party left.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
Identity politics has poisoned our discourse.



identity politics is democrat way of life.

gonna be a hard change. you will see their votes shrivel the fuck up quick if they do.


Lol the GOP leans way more on idpol than the Dems do.

How else do you get half the country to vote against their interests? The GOP's platform has been "fuck poor people, tax cuts for the rich" for 50 years and yall will continue to vote GOP because they demonize brown people the way you do.

You honestly think Rupert Murdoch or Sheldon Adelson give a fuck about identity politics? They're using immigrants and muslims and BLM as a distraction while they rob you blind. And you fall for it time after time after time.

At least the Dems pretend to give a fuck, even though they will call you a racist misogynist if you try to push the party left.



how are private individuals robbing me blind?

the government is the one robbing people blind and you want more of it. it is astonishing.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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Do you have any original thoughts?

"The government is the problem" stopped being a legitimate argument about 5 minutes after Reagan said it 40 years ago.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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it's not just the governments problem. people also.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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keyser_soze said:
the government is the one robbing people blind and you want more of it. it is astonishing.


It's been explained countless times to you how poor people come out ahead with higher taxes on the rich, and you want none of it.  It is astonishing.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Do you have any original thoughts?

"The government is the problem" stopped being a legitimate argument about 5 minutes after Reagan said it 40 years ago.



"The corporations CEO's are the problem" stopped being a legitimate argument about 5 minutes after occupy movement fell apart about 4 years ago.

it's just hilarious you point fingers at private wealthy individuals who really have nothing to do with anything in your daily finances but welcome the people who actually have the power and audacity to take money from you.


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*Word your posts carefully if they contain right wing values. The moderators here like to keep it left leaning, they will use every excuse to ban you but not the others. You've been warned.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
keyser_soze said:
the government is the one robbing people blind and you want more of it. it is astonishing.


It's been explained countless times to you how poor people come out ahead with higher taxes on the rich, and you want none of it.  It is astonishing.



because raising taxes on the poor is death by a thousand cuts.

like i said countless times before...they wont have money to live on (rent etc.), but by god they will have free tylenol!


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*Word your posts carefully if they contain right wing values. The moderators here like to keep it left leaning, they will use every excuse to ban you but not the others. You've been warned.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
Do you have any original thoughts?

"The government is the problem" stopped being a legitimate argument about 5 minutes after Reagan said it 40 years ago.



"The corporations CEO's are the problem" stopped being a legitimate argument about 5 minutes after occupy movement fell apart about 4 years ago.

it's just hilarious you point fingers at private wealthy individuals who really have nothing to do with anything in your daily finances but welcome the people who actually have the power and audacity to take money from you.


Lmao what a lazy analogy. Youre such a partisan hack.

Occupy arose because of the feds/wall st gangbanging our economy into the ground, and then the banks getting away with it.


You still can't seem to grasp that the biggest problems with government are due to corporate influence. You still cant grasp most basic concepts we discuss here.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
keyser_soze said:
the government is the one robbing people blind and you want more of it. it is astonishing.


It's been explained countless times to you how poor people come out ahead with higher taxes on the rich, and you want none of it.  It is astonishing.



because raising taxes on the poor is death by a thousand cuts.

like i said countless times before...they wont have money to live on (rent etc.), but by god they will have free tylenol!


Didnt I just mention you cant grasp simple concepts?

Heres another one for your swiss cheese brain: a single payer healthcare model is cheaper than our current system.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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they are just going to outsource the very same fucking private companies the lefties want publicly executed to handle claims. costs will remain the same. the government is just going to take their 10% off the top.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
they are just going to outsource the very same fucking private companies the lefties want publicly executed to handle claims. costs will remain the same. the government is just going to take their 10% off the top.


Source? Or are you just pivoting to a different, equally false, argument?


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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that claim definitely needs to be cited (by a source not named The Heritage Foundation).

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