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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Douglas Howard said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think the translation was accurate.


And so what is so bad about Alex Jones letting people to know what Putin wants us to know that our media isn't unveiling to us?


Nothing.  I said "the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable."


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Douglas Howard said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I think the translation was accurate.


And so what is so bad about Alex Jones letting people to know what Putin wants us to know that our media isn't unveiling to us?


Nothing.  I said "the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable."


There are some true conspiracies that are out there and then there is some bad ones to turn people away from the true ones. I noticed that everytime someone post a real conspiracy, that someone else comes along a post a fraudulent one behind it so that no one will pay any attention to neither. Psychology games that they are using to prevent the truth from coming out. Now no one doesn't consider anyone that is spreading about those who are whistle blowers as a reliable source of information. And so now, No one will dare to blow the whistle on anyone or company because they will not be taken seriously. That is the way they has it set up to be...To control people's mouths.



From a very early age, John Fountain learned not to "snitch." After all, coming forward with information about a crime could get you killed. In an article for the Chicago Tribune, Fountain says he understands why people in terrorized neighborhoods are reluctant to testify about crime. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113758702

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
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In academics and logical discussion, there is a rule known as "burden of proof", which says that if you claim something to be true, you must be able to support that claim with facts.

For example, if you claim Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you must be able to show evidence before it should be considered a fact.

It's easy to find evidence that what Putin said is true; hence it's not a 'conspiracy theory'.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
In academics and logical discussion, there is a rule known as "burden of proof", which says that if you claim something to be true, you must be able to support that claim with facts.

For example, if you claim Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you must be able to show evidence before it should be considered a fact.

It's easy to find evidence that what Putin said is true; hence it's not a 'conspiracy theory'.


For a minute I thought that this post has transfer over into a post about Darwin's theory.
But when you referred to Alex as being one of those conspiracy buff; it sounds as if you doesn't care for much what he has to say about what Putin is stating. Alex Jones mentions only about things that people are plotting or conspiring about. But in which that the majority does everytime they get up from out of their beds. Putin had gather up some facts about what the U.S. is doing and feels as if the U.S. government is plotting to cause a war. A lot of corporations will love it when a war breaks out. Halliburton (Which the CEO Dick Chenney had resigned from when he became Vice President that was in control of handling foreign affairs and which he has done very well :pipesmoke:) surely love it a whole lot.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
Proxy wars are the smart way to bleed your enemy in a 'cold conflict'.  Or would you rather see fighting on your own street?


What enemy?  Russia turned capitalist in the early '90s and has been trying to make peace with the West ever since.

The problem is that Crimea (which was part of Russia since 1783 until Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine without the consent of the Crimean people) voted to reunite with Russia after an American backed coup in Ukraine.

The US is now pissed because that prevented it from taking control of Russia's only warm water port and putting Russia at a severe military disadvantage.

This is why I'll never vote for Hillary, and why I'm so disappointed in Obama.  They are both warmongers, bought and paid for by the military industrial complex.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I dunno, suppose any threat of any sort.  Russia just wants to keep supplying gas to Europe.  They make a bundle off that.  Europe really cannot solve the reliance so easily and war isn't going to easily finish that.  It's a shitty situation.  But don't think that Russia isn't running any ops south of the US Mexican border, cause they do! 

I was in jail with a former Soviet who served in the Soviet Navy.  He said They didn't have any aircraft carriers and the military was for defense only.  I do not believe him.  The best defense is a good offense and that is where Russia is hurting the most.  Their deal with China is what is good for them.  A two front war would be difficult for the states.

Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
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I don't know a whole bunch but Russia claims it's going to do some shit with the missile defense bases.  That would be a bad move on their part and an act of war.  Could be cruise misses or spetznas forces.  If they were smart it would be plausibly deniable but that too is a tough move.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
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Morel Guy said:
Russia just wants to keep supplying gas to Europe.  They make a bundle off that.  Europe really cannot solve the reliance so easily and war isn't going to easily finish that.  It's a shitty situation.


What's wrong with Russia supplying gas to Europe?  Why is that a shitty situation?

Morel Guy said:
But don't think that Russia isn't running any ops south of the US Mexican border, cause they do!


They're not amassing soldiers near our border like we are on theirs.

Morel Guy said:
I was in jail with a former Soviet who served in the Soviet Navy.  He said They didn't have any aircraft carriers and the military was for defense only.  I do not believe him.  The best defense is a good offense and that is where Russia is hurting the most.


So you don't believe their military is for defense only, but you admit they are hurting on offense.  Alrighty then...

Morel Guy said:
Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.


I have no idea what you meant by that.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Depending on your enemy to keep the house warm, how is that not a shit situations?  Someone has a gun pointed at your head for decades and you want to defend them?

Russia has massive amounts of troops staged.  All along the European borders, Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want.

You don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if you cannot understand basic English.  Perhaps you are Russian?  You like Putin?

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
Depending on your enemy to keep the house warm, how is that not a shit situations?  Someone has a gun pointed at your head for decades and you want to defend them?


Why is Russia the enemy?  If the US puts nukes in Europe and Turkey pointing at Russia, shouldn't we expect Russia to take counter measures?

Morel Guy said:
Russia has massive amounts of troops staged.  All along the European borders


You mean inside their own country?  :lol:

Morel Guy said:
Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want.


Please link to a source proving that, or else it's make believe.

Morel Guy said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Morel Guy said:
Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.


I have no idea what you meant by that.


You don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if you cannot understand basic English.  Perhaps you are Russian?  You like Putin?


Can ANYONE here from either side please interpret the above statement?  I'm curious if ANYONE understands it.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Please get a history lesson!!!

I cannot for he life of me understand you at all.  You do nothing but be a subversive agent for a country that doesn't give 2 fucks about you!  You are but a subversive tool.

Russia has committed far more war crimes than the United States ever had.  They support and arm so many fucking wars it puts the CIA to fucking shame.  Russia is the very reason why terrorist took over Afghanistan.  They destabilize regions simply because it gives them a hard on!

Get a fucking clue!

Watch he beast if you think the Soviets wouldn't throw you under the fucking tank and crush you alive

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
Please get a history lesson!!!


I'd LOVE a lesson.  I'm still waiting for evidence that "Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want."

Can you help teach me something???

Morel Guy said:
Russia is the very reason why terrorist took over Afghanistan.


Actually, Russia was fighting the religious nut jobs in Afghanistan, and Reagan took their side in order to fight a proxy war against Russia.  Reagan helped create what became the Taliban.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Wrong.  Never seen Charlie Wilsons  war?  It is a great movie!

The CIA did not support the Taliban nor create it.  They helped the mujahideen.

Russia flys nuclear bombers in and out of their South American and Caribbean bases when they want.  Go back about ten years in the news and you will see this is confirmed.

You obviously don't know any Colombians.  I knew one of the Uribe boys, Tomas, and plenty others.

You think FARC isn't a Russian tool?  Every conflict in Central America wasn't fueled by Russians?  You know all the CIA history?

Sorry we disagree but I have a different perspective than you.  I actually love this stuff.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
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Venezuela has no nuclear infrastructure for weapons.

please provide some proof of what you're saying for others to decide what they think of it, BEFORE telling folks they need an education or lack the same drive as you.

right now you're just saying things that are highly implausible w no reason for anyone to listen.


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Give no fucks, take no orders, smash the prisons and the borders. Circle that A motherfucker!

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: airclay]
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Russia flying nuclear armed bombers into and out of their bases, obviously.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/11/russia.venezuela/index.html?iref=newssearch

Eastern Europe doesn't have nukes either but their allies the US do.  Vice versa

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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ok so that 8 yr old article says:
Quote:
NATO fighters followed the bombers on their 13-hour flight over the Arctic Ocean and the Atlantic, the defense ministry said.

It said the Russian flights were carried out in strict accordance with international rules governing airspace above neutral waters, and that the aircraft did not violate the borders of other states.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said such joint exercises between nations are not unusual. "We exercise all around the globe and have joint exercises with countries all over the world. So do many other nations."

The U.S. will monitor the Russian-Venezuelan training, said Pentagon officials who asked not to be identified as they are not authorized to speak on the information.


and we know that under the nuclear proliferation terms that Venezuela is inspected and in compliance

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/venezuela/
Quote:
Venezuela possesses almost no nuclear infrastructure, little nuclear expertise, and is a member of both the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean (Tlatelolco Treaty), and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), and the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT). Caracas is also a party to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC), and the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), and has adopted domestic legislation prohibiting the acquisition and development of biological and chemical weapons. Venezuela does not have a ballistic missile program, and is not a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). [1]


So it would seem to me that you're jumping to a lot of conclusions


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Why is so important for the US to surround Russia's borders, as it does today?    :shrug:


Godamn it, you don't get it Fal.  How is the US going to justify building Billions of dollars worth of offensive tactical and strategic weapons without an enemy?  You want our defense contractors to go broke?>???  :smirk:

gotta keep that gravy train a-rollin dude. 

Why do we need any deterrent?  If the the situation is so bad its worth losing hundreds of thousands of US soldiers lives for, it must be bad enough to justify--this......




Fifteen Megaton thermonuclear bomb.  That's like, fuck you, you think you got the biggest dick? 

Do we actually have people living who are so evil as to even contemplate using this shit>????? 

Yes, we do.  They are called politicians. :smirk:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: starfire_xes]
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Well, politician is creating jobs like they had promised. Now we has more patients in the hospital that there's a big demand for doctors and nurses. The more patients that are without limbs, the big demand for prosthetic devices that government or private health insurance companies will add to there list. and so if any of you guys goes to a park with your family and sit on an terrorist bomb and loses a limb or two. Don't worry, you are helping out the economy. We need to send more politicians overseas making more other countries even more mad.



10 companies profiting the most from war  http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/09/war-companies-profiting_n_2839564.html?slideshow=true#gallery/285365/4

Bionic Medical Devices: What's Holding Them Back? http://www.mddionline.com/article/bionic-medical-devices-whats-holding-them-back








RUSSIA Suggests that WAR May Be Necessary To Stop MONSANTO http://politicalblindspot.com/russia-suggests-that-war-may-be-necessary-to-stop-monsanto/


WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.  https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.

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