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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23429146 - 07/10/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23429544 - 07/10/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-russian-invasion-could-overrun-nato-60-hours-15112

https://news.vice.com/article/the-us-army-may-not-be-able-to-hold-off-russian-attack-in-europe

Both are good reads.  Putin wants the old soviet Union back.  The grip,on Eastern Europe, the weapons deals and wars around the world.  He is the richest man on Earth and cannot be satiated.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #23430801 - 07/10/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting thread. I think Putin is genuinely trying to improve Russia's relationship with the rest of the world, after many interviews that I have seen with him. I think he is genuinely concerned about the United States foreign policy. I was skeptical at first, but he doesn't appear to be lying, or spinning the truth.

How sad is it that I am more suspicious of my own government than the Russian government?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23430909 - 07/11/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong.  Never seen Charlie Wilsons  war?  It is a great movie!



Yes, I've seen it.  The US sided with the religious nut jobs fighting the Government while the Soviet Union sided with the progressive Government of Afghanistan.

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The CIA did not support the Taliban nor create it.  They helped the mujahideen.



The Mujahedeen became the Taliban.  :facepalm3:

Do you seriously not know this?  The US always support the bad guys.

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Russia flys nuclear bombers in and out of their South American and Caribbean bases when they want.  Go back about ten years in the news and you will see this is confirmed.



If you're just talking about flying bombers in and out, bombers are useless while they're grounded,  They can't launch a strike until they're airborne.

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You obviously don't know any Colombians.  I knew one of the Uribe boys, Tomas, and plenty others.

You think FARC isn't a Russian tool?  Every conflict in Central America wasn't fueled by Russians?  You know all the CIA history?

Sorry we disagree but I have a different perspective than you.  I actually love this stuff.



I don't care about your perspective.  I care about reality.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23430915 - 07/11/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23430920 - 07/11/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Interesting thread. I think Putin is genuinely trying to improve Russia's relationship with the rest of the world, after many interviews that I have seen with him. I think he is genuinely concerned about the United States foreign policy. I was skeptical at first, but he doesn't appear to be lying, or spinning the truth.

How sad is it that I am more suspicious of my own government than the Russian government?



So am I.  Hillary is evil.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23430982 - 07/11/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23430992 - 07/11/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:    :thumbup:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23431350 - 07/11/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck in the FEMA camp


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23431694 - 07/11/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:cuckoo:

Do you disagree that the Mujahedeen were the religious nuts that founded the Taliban?  Do you disagree that the pro-Soviet Afghan Government was moderate and was opposed to the crazy religious nuts?

The fact of the matter is, the US Government only wanted to fight the Soviets; they couldn't care less about the Afghan people.  Even the movie Charlie Wilson's War showed that to be the case at the end after the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23431737 - 07/11/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

amexica needs to focus on its own borders first and foremost.  dumb fucks.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23431946 - 07/11/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Too many individuals to generalize players into groups.  Not saying the US always does the right thing but that's because of the for-mentioned statement.

Russia didn't care about the Afghan's either.  They wanted to cut off the US oil supply shipping in the Persian Gulf.  They probably still want to do that.  Plenty of war crimes committed by the Soviets.  It was their Vietnam.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23432721 - 07/11/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you disagree that the Mujahedeen were the religious nuts that founded the Taliban?  Do you disagree that the pro-Soviet Afghan Government was moderate and was opposed to the crazy religious nuts?



Too many individuals to generalize players into groups.  Not saying the US always does the right thing



I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about the Mujahedeen vs the Afghan Government.  We clearly supported the wrong side in order to attack the Soviet Union through a proxy war.

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The fact of the matter is, the US Government only wanted to fight the Soviets; they couldn't care less about the Afghan people.  Even the movie Charlie Wilson's War showed that to be the case at the end after the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan.



Russia didn't care about the Afghan's either.  They wanted to cut off the US oil supply shipping in the Persian Gulf.



How does Russia fighting the Mujahedeen cut of US oil supply in the Persian Gulf???  :wtf:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23432799 - 07/11/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Go down and take over countries south and towards shipping lanes in the Middle East.  This has been discussed by people, I didn't make it up.

I don't know any Taliban or Mujahedeen.  But it's kinda like saying the South Vietnamese took over once the VC won.  People mix when they need to for survival.  But ya they did let the ball slip or as they say in Charlie Wilsons war, fucked up the end game.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23432852 - 07/11/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ever play the game DEFCON?  Just south of Afghanistan is a great place to launch missiles from subs.  Reaches the heart if Russia as well as Moscow and other major cities.  Very difficult for Russian naval forces to get down there from their home ports.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23435994 - 07/12/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




Who gives a fuck about Russian Supersonic Bombers?  An Aegis Cruiser can fire 90 surface to air missiles in 3 minutes and shoot down incoming cruise missiles.  Oh, they can also shoot down ICBM's with them.

And the sophisticated radar system can track (classified) numbers of targets at once and it doesn't miss.  If it flies, it dies. 

You hear all this shit about Russian this and Chinese that, those guys are 30 years behind in technology. The only reason you don't hear about that is because the Government wants to justify spending zillions more to keep the gravy train rolling for the military industrial complex.

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Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




And how well did the 'State of the Art' Russian weaponry hold up in Gulf Wars 1 and 2?  Go ask the Russians. No Contest :smirk:


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    #23436010 - 07/12/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




Who gives a fuck about Russian Supersonic Bombers?  An Aegis Cruiser can fire 90 surface to air missiles in 3 minutes and shoot down incoming cruise missiles.  Oh, they can also shoot down ICBM's with them.

And the sophisticated radar system can track (classified) numbers of targets at once and it doesn't miss.  If it flies, it dies. 

You hear all this shit about Russian this and Chinese that, those guys are 30 years behind in technology. The only reason you don't hear about that is because the Government wants to justify spending zillions more to keep the gravy train rolling for the military industrial complex.




Putin himself said, 'America is probably the last remaining Super Power'. I think he is right. I'm getting real tired of Republicans saying this line, verbatim: "We need to rebuild our military". It makes me giggle every time... followed by vomiting.

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Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




And how well did the 'State of the Art' Russian weaponry hold up in Gulf Wars 1 and 2?  Go ask the Russians. No Contest :smirk:




Yet we can't handle a few AK47's in Afghanistan.


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    #23436200 - 07/12/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Intercept rates are half the time.  That's a huge deal when your at the receiving end.


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    #23436255 - 07/12/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23436389 - 07/12/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



The West escalates with Russia: Make no mistake, a second Cold War is now official NATO policy

NATO's aggressive posture towards Russia sets a dangerous course for Obama's successor


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