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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23448334 - 07/16/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?



Usually both.  The largest recipient of US aid is Israel, though I'm not sure how much they're starving or injured.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23449839 - 07/17/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya people feel bad for the Jews in Israel.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23451152 - 07/17/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Back to the original topic.  Let's agree that the USSR (pre-breakup) taught its citizens how to speak Russian.  Let's even agree that they currently aren't providing as much aid to other countries as the US.

Is that justification for a new cold war???


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23451183 - 07/17/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is no justification.

The way I see it, Russia did a few small things to egg the US on, and the US reacted like the warmongery asshole we've become. We seem to be masters at framing other countries to be some mortal enemy, and us the innocent white knight, whenever our leaders' feathers get slightly ruffled.

A cold war is a dick measuring contest, and America likes to show off it's giant cock. I swear, we have children running this country.

Now Putin is sitting back, watching America respond like a bunch of fucking assholes, which he knew we would do, and he gets to make us out to be these psychopathic super-villains, intent on destroying the world. He may not be far off the mark with that, but it's not for some Nazi-esq purpose. It's because our government feels the need to intimidate and destroy the faintest opposition. We're not interested in global conquest. Just showing off our big dick, as I said. The whole world better know about that dick, and better not think for one damn second they are permitted any sort of autonomy without giving it a little stroke and a spit shine.

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I'm sure this isn't entirely accurate, but that's how it feels. I think it all really boils down to money, and ways to propogate war for financial purposes. Again, America's response to Russia's antics was still quite predictable. Any potential war is the finest bait for the American government.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23454970 - 07/19/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

MPs vote to renew Trident: Jeremy Corbyn suffers biggest rebellion of his leadership as Britain's nuclear deterrent backed by 472 to 117

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Jeremy Corbyn has been heckled and accused of lying by his own MPs and told he was “defending the countries’ enemies” as he announced he would vote against renewing Trident.

MPs on Monday night overwhelmingly backed renewing the Trident nuclear deterrent by 472 to 117 - a majority of 355 votes - which means it is secure for a generation.

Mr Corbyn suffered the biggest rebellion of his leadership as 140 Labour MPs supported renewal despite his opposition while just 47 voted against.

The SNP boosted its claim to be the "real opposition" in Westminster as all 54 of the party's MPs voted against keeping Trident, seven more than Labour. That came despite Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, attacking the SNP during his closing speech in the Commons by saying the party is "happy to cower under an American nuclear umbrella".




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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23460392 - 07/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




This is one guy's opinion, but things are getting interesting...


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23460530 - 07/20/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




This is one guy's opinion, but things are getting interesting...




I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23461247 - 07/20/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...



I'll bet it happens very soon.  Which is one reason I won't vote for her.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23461546 - 07/21/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




This is one guy's opinion, but things are getting interesting...




Cant be that far off the mark. Turkeys a hotbed for islamists, and theyre very cozy with ISIS. I sense that theres going to be a dramatic shift in the way the media presents Turkey in light of this. Their only stake in the country is geopolitical, without that alliance turkeys utility to congress evaporates with it. So will their support. Theres already whispers of kicking turkey out of the NATO alliance in the media. Watch them suddenly find issues with all the other international agreements theyve been violating.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23464819 - 07/22/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only sure thing about life is it one day ends. The sad truth is it's all about the great almighty dollar being the world's reserve currency. The US desire to keep this status despite not doing the productivity that made it worthy of such a status. In short, forced military might began to take the place of genuine productivity and innovation. Wars made of false pretense resulted from this causing world wide discord and opened the door for groups to be united in hatred of the US. If you noticed, all the places the US invaded for "democracy" have strategic mineral or geopositional resources that can be used to circumvent other nations ability to compete with the US dollar.

For example both Syria and Iraq have several important piplines that fed Europe who's euro was a potential threat, and Afghanistan has extremely large amounts of lithium and rare earth metals as well as a good strategic point to attack Iran or China if need be. Iran controls a very strategic sea port and their banking system is independent of the world reserve bank. It's a massive fraud in short.

At this point, everyone knows this, and some nations like Russia and China see it as an opportunity to become the next world economic power and enjoy the prosperity America once had. A worldwide nuclear war is a very real possibility at this point, and if nothing changes very drastically and soon, it will be an inevitability. Based on the inexorable PRIDE of the current POTUS, he would rather press the button than say the most politically horrifying words of all... I am sorry, we were wrong. PLEASE FORGIVE US.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23464823 - 07/22/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...



I'll bet it happens very soon.  Which is one reason I won't vote for her.




As soon as turkey gets thrown out of the NATO


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23486475 - 07/28/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

On the one hand you have Hillarys calculating allegiance to the military industrial complex, on the other you have Trump, who's only out for himself. This really is the death of the republic.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23486581 - 07/28/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Trump has talked a lot about nato, none of wich revolves around starting more war.

Hate war?

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23486667 - 07/28/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yaaaa right.  Trump would drop a billion of his own $ into a Boeing stock and start a war if his poll numbers rise.  It could be his second term cause that is what every first term President wants.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23487187 - 07/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yaaaa right.  Trump would drop a billion of his own $ into a Boeing stock and start a war if his poll numbers rise.  It could be his second term cause that is what every first term President wants.




Sounds like conspiracy territory, you have absolutely zero proof of that, the assertion is absurd


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23487381 - 07/28/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump has talked a lot about nato, none of wich revolves around starting more war.

Hate war?

Vote Trump




He actually suggested he wouldnt hold to the central tenet of NATO. That attack against one is an attack against all. Withdrawing from that alliance would precipitate in wars across the globe and significantly blunt American influence. The mans a goddamn fool.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23487530 - 07/28/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.




What's wrong with Elizabeth Warren? In a very dirty line of work she is one of the few that yells for all who will listen to expose shitty gov't.
Don't sell her out. I say that because I keep seeing some of the few progressives being called sellouts. We need more Elizabeth Warrens. She pushes the party left. Very few are. We need more. We are dangerously close to a Donald Trump presidency. This is a disaster that must be averted at all costs. At this point we need HRC(okay hold on a sec while I get this vomit taste out of my mouth).. we need HRC if for no other reason to appoint judges. We need Citizens United overturned. Donald will not do this. Change is slow. Our govt is set up like this for a reason. Elect HRC and enough Elizabeth Warrens to keep HRC in check. HRC will tax the 1%(if you think that's important. I do) if we give her a Dem senate. Did HRC sellout to win at all costs? I think so but if she does the right thing once in office then I'm not mad at her. She did not make the rules(Citezens United) but knew what it is going to take to win against the Reps and their dirty money. HRC is too often being painted with too broad a brush and only in black and white. She really does have a long history of doing kind things and fighting for those who could not fight for themselves. As Sec of State I think she has a realistic viewpoint of where this planet is as far as security goes.

NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it? Hard to tell but the important thing is that since it started ..no www3. Putin is a KGB thug and he has in recent years proved his ambition of expanding his kleptocracy. He is concerned that his "nuclear potential" is threatened. What threat does his nuclear potential represent? I'm more skeptical of Putin than NATO.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: spock]
    #23487565 - 07/28/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.




What's wrong with Elizabeth Warren? In a very dirty line of work she is one of the few that yells for all who will listen to expose shitty gov't.
Don't sell her out. I say that because I keep seeing some of the few progressives being called sellouts. We need more Elizabeth Warrens. She pushes the party left. Very few are. We need more. We are dangerously close to a Donald Trump presidency. This is a disaster that must be averted at all costs. At this point we need HRC(okay hold on a sec while I get this vomit taste out of my mouth).. we need HRC if for no other reason to appoint judges. We need Citizens United overturned. Donald will not do this. Change is slow. Our govt is set up like this for a reason. Elect HRC and enough Elizabeth Warrens to keep HRC in check. HRC will tax the 1%(if you think that's important. I do) if we give her a Dem senate. Did HRC sellout to win at all costs? I think so but if she does the right thing once in office then I'm not mad at her. She did not make the rules(Citezens United) but knew what it is going to take to win against the Reps and their dirty money. HRC is too often being painted with too broad a brush and only in black and white. She really does have a long history of doing kind things and fighting for those who could not fight for themselves. As Sec of State I think she has a realistic viewpoint of where this planet is as far as security goes.

NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it? Hard to tell but the important thing is that since it started ..no www3. Putin is a KGB thug and he has in recent years proved his ambition of expanding his kleptocracy. He is concerned that his "nuclear potential" is threatened. What threat does his nuclear potential represent? I'm more skeptical of Putin than NATO.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: spock] * 1
    #23487643 - 07/28/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We need HRC to appoint judges? You think she is against Citizens United? :laugh2: She's one of the biggest benefiters of Citizens United.

I'm pretty sure her appointee won't be better than anyone else's. Electing neoliberals is the worst thing we can do. It gives the country the impression that we have a left-wing voice in politics, when in reality, we don't. The left becomes apathetic, and disempowered. They think it is impossible to accomplish anything, because there is nobody vying for them in office.

The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me. Until then, I have always liked Warren, but she expressed very avid support of a person who she personally knows is corrupt, and stands against her core values. I understand the fear of Trump, but I am seeing supposed 'left-wingers' trading in their integrity for the lesser of two evils, and I personally cannot abide.

Case and point: I've been discussing on a couple of other threads the differences between Obama and Bush. Here's a hint: There is no difference.

There is not one Bush policy, that I can think of, that Obama has changed.

Would you want Bush making our Supreme Court Justice appointment? An Obama appointee is not likely to differ from a Bush appointee in any dramatic way, and neither is a Clinton appointee.

So stop with your fear spiel. We're already destined to have another terrible president. Vote with integrity. Vote with your conscience. Vote third party.


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