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NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war * 5
    #23419897 - 07/07/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The US and NATO have shown tremendous aggression towards Russia recently, and it's one of the reasons I now dislike Obama and why I can't vote for Hillary.  Putin is trying to get the message out to reporters who will listen, but most ignore him.

Mainstream media won't cover things like this, but here it is for Shroomites that have an interest in world events.



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23419939 - 07/07/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Agree to what you said, thoug I trust in Putins abilty to handle the situation with his cold rationalism.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: hayabuser]
    #23420016 - 07/07/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like the two of you would enjoy a nice -40 degree prison cell in Siberia.

Russia feels threatened by the west producing missile shields.  The anti-missile missile's are said to actually intercept %50 of the time.  Basically Russia doesn't like their ability to launch an attack being diminished.  The best defense is a good offense and vice versa.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #23420177 - 07/07/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Have you ever heard of the terms "balance of power" and "mutually assured destruction"?  That's kept the peace for many, many years.

If Russia believes that at some point soon it will no longer be able to defend itself from the west, it could become dangerous before it lets that happen...

Why is so important for the US to surround Russia's borders, as it does today?  How would the US feel if Russia put massive numbers of troops in Mexico?  :shrug:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 4
    #23420210 - 07/07/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds like the two of you would enjoy a nice -40 degree prison cell in Siberia.

Russia feels threatened by the west producing missile shields.  The anti-missile missile's are said to actually intercept %50 of the time.  Basically Russia doesn't like their ability to launch an attack being diminished.  The best defense is a good offense and vice versa.




Do you understand what a treaty is? Russia, NATO and the rest of the civilized world had multiple treaties to prevent the proliferation and geopolitical infringement of their respective countries onto eachother. The USA is violating 2 of these treaties aggressively and without cause. The US is the belligerent in this situation. Enough so that were the roles reversed there would be a deceleration of war. The establishment of the united states, the part of it thats in control and unaffected by elections is playing a dangerous game by continually ramping up aggression's, and its a game that has no winners.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23420253 - 07/07/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

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The US is the belligerent in this situation. Enough so that were the roles reversed there would be a deceleration of war.



Exactly.  The US wouldn't tolerate this behavior nearly as well as Russia has.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #23420273 - 07/07/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is exactly on point so far. :thumbup:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23420340 - 07/07/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why wouldn't I understand what a treaty is?  The constitution is a treaty between the Government and the people, they violate that all the time.  Also there have been many treaties broken with Native Americans.  So why would the US Governments word be worth a shit?

I believe the only treaty violation is with the missile defense system.  If there are others please be so kind to share.

What Russia and China have going for them are numbers of people and cheap easily produced weapons.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23421111 - 07/07/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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why would the US Governments word be worth a shit?



Do you think it's ok for the US to ignore international treaties?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23421341 - 07/07/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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why would the US Governments word be worth a shit?



Do you think it's ok for the US to ignore international treaties?




I say yes if I actually get to have a say, a voice and a chance.  Some treaties shouldn't be fucked with like green treaties.  I am sure you,would say fuck ya to the US bailing on narcotic treaties and legalizing all the goodies?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23421477 - 07/07/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm all for mutually agreed to narcotic treaty amendments, but I'm against blatant violation of international treaties.  If the US doesn't follow international treaties, how can we expect other countries to?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23422358 - 07/08/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23422727 - 07/08/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Alex Jones is a sensationalist and conspiracy nut, but the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable.  :thumbup:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23422948 - 07/08/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is something I read a few days ago, https://theintercept.com/2016/07/01/nato-general-emails/



the emails show Nato generals were more interested in starting a proxy war thru ukraine than to find a peaceful resolution.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: airclay]
    #23423112 - 07/08/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Gotta feed the military industrial complex.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23423215 - 07/08/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Alex Jones is a sensationalist and conspiracy nut, but the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable.  :thumbup:




Is he translating the words that Putin is saying? Remember there is Russians on this forum.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23423232 - 07/08/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm think the translation was accurate.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23423305 - 07/08/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm think the translation was accurate.




And so what is so bad about Alex Jones letting people to know what Putin wants us to know that our media isn't unveiling to us?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23423315 - 07/08/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Proxy wars are the smart way to bleed your enemy in a 'cold conflict'.  Or would you rather see fighting on your own street?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23423326 - 07/08/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Where is the box for "no fighting"?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23423373 - 07/08/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the translation was accurate.




And so what is so bad about Alex Jones letting people to know what Putin wants us to know that our media isn't unveiling to us?



Nothing.  I said "the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable."


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23423607 - 07/08/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the translation was accurate.




And so what is so bad about Alex Jones letting people to know what Putin wants us to know that our media isn't unveiling to us?



Nothing.  I said "the majority of the video above is fairly reasonable."




There are some true conspiracies that are out there and then there is some bad ones to turn people away from the true ones. I noticed that everytime someone post a real conspiracy, that someone else comes along a post a fraudulent one behind it so that no one will pay any attention to neither. Psychology games that they are using to prevent the truth from coming out. Now no one doesn't consider anyone that is spreading about those who are whistle blowers as a reliable source of information. And so now, No one will dare to blow the whistle on anyone or company because they will not be taken seriously. That is the way they has it set up to be...To control people's mouths.



From a very early age, John Fountain learned not to "snitch." After all, coming forward with information about a crime could get you killed. In an article for the Chicago Tribune, Fountain says he understands why people in terrorized neighborhoods are reluctant to testify about crime. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113758702


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23423803 - 07/08/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In academics and logical discussion, there is a rule known as "burden of proof", which says that if you claim something to be true, you must be able to support that claim with facts.

For example, if you claim Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you must be able to show evidence before it should be considered a fact.

It's easy to find evidence that what Putin said is true; hence it's not a 'conspiracy theory'.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23424294 - 07/08/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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In academics and logical discussion, there is a rule known as "burden of proof", which says that if you claim something to be true, you must be able to support that claim with facts.

For example, if you claim Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you must be able to show evidence before it should be considered a fact.

It's easy to find evidence that what Putin said is true; hence it's not a 'conspiracy theory'.




For a minute I thought that this post has transfer over into a post about Darwin's theory.
But when you referred to Alex as being one of those conspiracy buff; it sounds as if you doesn't care for much what he has to say about what Putin is stating. Alex Jones mentions only about things that people are plotting or conspiring about. But in which that the majority does everytime they get up from out of their beds. Putin had gather up some facts about what the U.S. is doing and feels as if the U.S. government is plotting to cause a war. A lot of corporations will love it when a war breaks out. Halliburton (Which the CEO Dick Chenney had resigned from when he became Vice President that was in control of handling foreign affairs and which he has done very well :pipesmoke:) surely love it a whole lot.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23425823 - 07/09/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Proxy wars are the smart way to bleed your enemy in a 'cold conflict'.  Or would you rather see fighting on your own street?



What enemy?  Russia turned capitalist in the early '90s and has been trying to make peace with the West ever since.

The problem is that Crimea (which was part of Russia since 1783 until Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine without the consent of the Crimean people) voted to reunite with Russia after an American backed coup in Ukraine.

The US is now pissed because that prevented it from taking control of Russia's only warm water port and putting Russia at a severe military disadvantage.

This is why I'll never vote for Hillary, and why I'm so disappointed in Obama.  They are both warmongers, bought and paid for by the military industrial complex.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23426315 - 07/09/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, suppose any threat of any sort.  Russia just wants to keep supplying gas to Europe.  They make a bundle off that.  Europe really cannot solve the reliance so easily and war isn't going to easily finish that.  It's a shitty situation.  But don't think that Russia isn't running any ops south of the US Mexican border, cause they do! 

I was in jail with a former Soviet who served in the Soviet Navy.  He said They didn't have any aircraft carriers and the military was for defense only.  I do not believe him.  The best defense is a good offense and that is where Russia is hurting the most.  Their deal with China is what is good for them.  A two front war would be difficult for the states.

Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23426349 - 07/09/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know a whole bunch but Russia claims it's going to do some shit with the missile defense bases.  That would be a bad move on their part and an act of war.  Could be cruise misses or spetznas forces.  If they were smart it would be plausibly deniable but that too is a tough move.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23426356 - 07/09/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Russia just wants to keep supplying gas to Europe.  They make a bundle off that.  Europe really cannot solve the reliance so easily and war isn't going to easily finish that.  It's a shitty situation.



What's wrong with Russia supplying gas to Europe?  Why is that a shitty situation?

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But don't think that Russia isn't running any ops south of the US Mexican border, cause they do!



They're not amassing soldiers near our border like we are on theirs.

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I was in jail with a former Soviet who served in the Soviet Navy.  He said They didn't have any aircraft carriers and the military was for defense only.  I do not believe him.  The best defense is a good offense and that is where Russia is hurting the most.



So you don't believe their military is for defense only, but you admit they are hurting on offense.  Alrighty then...

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Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.



I have no idea what you meant by that.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23426477 - 07/09/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Depending on your enemy to keep the house warm, how is that not a shit situations?  Someone has a gun pointed at your head for decades and you want to defend them?

Russia has massive amounts of troops staged.  All along the European borders, Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want.

You don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if you cannot understand basic English.  Perhaps you are Russian?  You like Putin?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23426600 - 07/09/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Depending on your enemy to keep the house warm, how is that not a shit situations?  Someone has a gun pointed at your head for decades and you want to defend them?



Why is Russia the enemy?  If the US puts nukes in Europe and Turkey pointing at Russia, shouldn't we expect Russia to take counter measures?

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Russia has massive amounts of troops staged.  All along the European borders



You mean inside their own country?  :lol:

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Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want.



Please link to a source proving that, or else it's make believe.

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Hillary might now how to keep,the war cold and very well might not.  I do not know her but Trump would fuck it all to hell in a neat little hand basket with a pink bow.



I have no idea what you meant by that.



You don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if you cannot understand basic English.  Perhaps you are Russian?  You like Putin?



Can ANYONE here from either side please interpret the above statement?  I'm curious if ANYONE understands it.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23426672 - 07/09/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Please get a history lesson!!!

I cannot for he life of me understand you at all.  You do nothing but be a subversive agent for a country that doesn't give 2 fucks about you!  You are but a subversive tool.

Russia has committed far more war crimes than the United States ever had.  They support and arm so many fucking wars it puts the CIA to fucking shame.  Russia is the very reason why terrorist took over Afghanistan.  They destabilize regions simply because it gives them a hard on!

Get a fucking clue!

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    #23426761 - 07/09/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Please get a history lesson!!!



I'd LOVE a lesson.  I'm still waiting for evidence that "Venezualla, Cuba and have flexed plenty of muscle!  They fly nuclear weapons in and out of here countries when they want."

Can you help teach me something???

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Russia is the very reason why terrorist took over Afghanistan.



Actually, Russia was fighting the religious nut jobs in Afghanistan, and Reagan took their side in order to fight a proxy war against Russia.  Reagan helped create what became the Taliban.


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    #23426781 - 07/09/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong.  Never seen Charlie Wilsons  war?  It is a great movie!

The CIA did not support the Taliban nor create it.  They helped the mujahideen.

Russia flys nuclear bombers in and out of their South American and Caribbean bases when they want.  Go back about ten years in the news and you will see this is confirmed.

You obviously don't know any Colombians.  I knew one of the Uribe boys, Tomas, and plenty others.

You think FARC isn't a Russian tool?  Every conflict in Central America wasn't fueled by Russians?  You know all the CIA history?

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    #23427743 - 07/09/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Venezuela has no nuclear infrastructure for weapons.

please provide some proof of what you're saying for others to decide what they think of it, BEFORE telling folks they need an education or lack the same drive as you.

right now you're just saying things that are highly implausible w no reason for anyone to listen.


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    #23427757 - 07/09/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Russia flying nuclear armed bombers into and out of their bases, obviously.


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    #23427770 - 07/09/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/11/russia.venezuela/index.html?iref=newssearch

Eastern Europe doesn't have nukes either but their allies the US do.  Vice versa


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    #23427780 - 07/09/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ok so that 8 yr old article says:
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NATO fighters followed the bombers on their 13-hour flight over the Arctic Ocean and the Atlantic, the defense ministry said.

It said the Russian flights were carried out in strict accordance with international rules governing airspace above neutral waters, and that the aircraft did not violate the borders of other states.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said such joint exercises between nations are not unusual. "We exercise all around the globe and have joint exercises with countries all over the world. So do many other nations."

The U.S. will monitor the Russian-Venezuelan training, said Pentagon officials who asked not to be identified as they are not authorized to speak on the information.




and we know that under the nuclear proliferation terms that Venezuela is inspected and in compliance

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/venezuela/
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Venezuela possesses almost no nuclear infrastructure, little nuclear expertise, and is a member of both the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean (Tlatelolco Treaty), and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), and the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT). Caracas is also a party to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC), and the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), and has adopted domestic legislation prohibiting the acquisition and development of biological and chemical weapons. Venezuela does not have a ballistic missile program, and is not a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). [1]




So it would seem to me that you're jumping to a lot of conclusions


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    #23427963 - 07/09/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is so important for the US to surround Russia's borders, as it does today?    :shrug:




Godamn it, you don't get it Fal.  How is the US going to justify building Billions of dollars worth of offensive tactical and strategic weapons without an enemy?  You want our defense contractors to go broke?>???  :smirk:

gotta keep that gravy train a-rollin dude. 

Why do we need any deterrent?  If the the situation is so bad its worth losing hundreds of thousands of US soldiers lives for, it must be bad enough to justify--this......




Fifteen Megaton thermonuclear bomb.  That's like, fuck you, you think you got the biggest dick? 

Do we actually have people living who are so evil as to even contemplate using this shit>????? 

Yes, we do.  They are called politicians. :smirk:


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    #23428508 - 07/10/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, politician is creating jobs like they had promised. Now we has more patients in the hospital that there's a big demand for doctors and nurses. The more patients that are without limbs, the big demand for prosthetic devices that government or private health insurance companies will add to there list. and so if any of you guys goes to a park with your family and sit on an terrorist bomb and loses a limb or two. Don't worry, you are helping out the economy. We need to send more politicians overseas making more other countries even more mad.



10 companies profiting the most from war  http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/09/war-companies-profiting_n_2839564.html?slideshow=true#gallery/285365/4

Bionic Medical Devices: What's Holding Them Back? http://www.mddionline.com/article/bionic-medical-devices-whats-holding-them-back








RUSSIA Suggests that WAR May Be Necessary To Stop MONSANTO http://politicalblindspot.com/russia-suggests-that-war-may-be-necessary-to-stop-monsanto/


WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.  https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html


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    #23428788 - 07/10/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.


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    #23429544 - 07/10/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-russian-invasion-could-overrun-nato-60-hours-15112

https://news.vice.com/article/the-us-army-may-not-be-able-to-hold-off-russian-attack-in-europe

Both are good reads.  Putin wants the old soviet Union back.  The grip,on Eastern Europe, the weapons deals and wars around the world.  He is the richest man on Earth and cannot be satiated.


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    #23430801 - 07/10/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting thread. I think Putin is genuinely trying to improve Russia's relationship with the rest of the world, after many interviews that I have seen with him. I think he is genuinely concerned about the United States foreign policy. I was skeptical at first, but he doesn't appear to be lying, or spinning the truth.

How sad is it that I am more suspicious of my own government than the Russian government?


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    #23430909 - 07/11/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong.  Never seen Charlie Wilsons  war?  It is a great movie!



Yes, I've seen it.  The US sided with the religious nut jobs fighting the Government while the Soviet Union sided with the progressive Government of Afghanistan.

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The CIA did not support the Taliban nor create it.  They helped the mujahideen.



The Mujahedeen became the Taliban.  :facepalm3:

Do you seriously not know this?  The US always support the bad guys.

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Russia flys nuclear bombers in and out of their South American and Caribbean bases when they want.  Go back about ten years in the news and you will see this is confirmed.



If you're just talking about flying bombers in and out, bombers are useless while they're grounded,  They can't launch a strike until they're airborne.

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You obviously don't know any Colombians.  I knew one of the Uribe boys, Tomas, and plenty others.

You think FARC isn't a Russian tool?  Every conflict in Central America wasn't fueled by Russians?  You know all the CIA history?

Sorry we disagree but I have a different perspective than you.  I actually love this stuff.



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    #23430920 - 07/11/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Interesting thread. I think Putin is genuinely trying to improve Russia's relationship with the rest of the world, after many interviews that I have seen with him. I think he is genuinely concerned about the United States foreign policy. I was skeptical at first, but he doesn't appear to be lying, or spinning the truth.

How sad is it that I am more suspicious of my own government than the Russian government?



So am I.  Hillary is evil.


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    #23430982 - 07/11/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.


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    #23430992 - 07/11/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:    :thumbup:


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    #23431350 - 07/11/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck in the FEMA camp


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    #23431694 - 07/11/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:cuckoo:

Do you disagree that the Mujahedeen were the religious nuts that founded the Taliban?  Do you disagree that the pro-Soviet Afghan Government was moderate and was opposed to the crazy religious nuts?

The fact of the matter is, the US Government only wanted to fight the Soviets; they couldn't care less about the Afghan people.  Even the movie Charlie Wilson's War showed that to be the case at the end after the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan.


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    #23431737 - 07/11/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

amexica needs to focus on its own borders first and foremost.  dumb fucks.


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    #23431946 - 07/11/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Too many individuals to generalize players into groups.  Not saying the US always does the right thing but that's because of the for-mentioned statement.

Russia didn't care about the Afghan's either.  They wanted to cut off the US oil supply shipping in the Persian Gulf.  They probably still want to do that.  Plenty of war crimes committed by the Soviets.  It was their Vietnam.


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Do you disagree that the Mujahedeen were the religious nuts that founded the Taliban?  Do you disagree that the pro-Soviet Afghan Government was moderate and was opposed to the crazy religious nuts?



Too many individuals to generalize players into groups.  Not saying the US always does the right thing



I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about the Mujahedeen vs the Afghan Government.  We clearly supported the wrong side in order to attack the Soviet Union through a proxy war.

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The fact of the matter is, the US Government only wanted to fight the Soviets; they couldn't care less about the Afghan people.  Even the movie Charlie Wilson's War showed that to be the case at the end after the Soviets were driven out of Afghanistan.



Russia didn't care about the Afghan's either.  They wanted to cut off the US oil supply shipping in the Persian Gulf.



How does Russia fighting the Mujahedeen cut of US oil supply in the Persian Gulf???  :wtf:


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    #23432799 - 07/11/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Go down and take over countries south and towards shipping lanes in the Middle East.  This has been discussed by people, I didn't make it up.

I don't know any Taliban or Mujahedeen.  But it's kinda like saying the South Vietnamese took over once the VC won.  People mix when they need to for survival.  But ya they did let the ball slip or as they say in Charlie Wilsons war, fucked up the end game.


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    #23432852 - 07/11/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ever play the game DEFCON?  Just south of Afghanistan is a great place to launch missiles from subs.  Reaches the heart if Russia as well as Moscow and other major cities.  Very difficult for Russian naval forces to get down there from their home ports.


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    #23435994 - 07/12/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




Who gives a fuck about Russian Supersonic Bombers?  An Aegis Cruiser can fire 90 surface to air missiles in 3 minutes and shoot down incoming cruise missiles.  Oh, they can also shoot down ICBM's with them.

And the sophisticated radar system can track (classified) numbers of targets at once and it doesn't miss.  If it flies, it dies. 

You hear all this shit about Russian this and Chinese that, those guys are 30 years behind in technology. The only reason you don't hear about that is because the Government wants to justify spending zillions more to keep the gravy train rolling for the military industrial complex.

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Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




And how well did the 'State of the Art' Russian weaponry hold up in Gulf Wars 1 and 2?  Go ask the Russians. No Contest :smirk:


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Russian super sonic nuclear armed bombers do not need to violate US airspace when cruise missiles can be fired from 400km.  Sea launched ballistic missiles can travel 4000km.  They need countries that are allies to land and refuel, possibly rearm just like the USA has allied bases.

Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




Who gives a fuck about Russian Supersonic Bombers?  An Aegis Cruiser can fire 90 surface to air missiles in 3 minutes and shoot down incoming cruise missiles.  Oh, they can also shoot down ICBM's with them.

And the sophisticated radar system can track (classified) numbers of targets at once and it doesn't miss.  If it flies, it dies. 

You hear all this shit about Russian this and Chinese that, those guys are 30 years behind in technology. The only reason you don't hear about that is because the Government wants to justify spending zillions more to keep the gravy train rolling for the military industrial complex.




Putin himself said, 'America is probably the last remaining Super Power'. I think he is right. I'm getting real tired of Republicans saying this line, verbatim: "We need to rebuild our military". It makes me giggle every time... followed by vomiting.

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Russia has a military industrial complex as does China.  Their weapons are simply cheaper, made to not be repaired.  They arm half the world and the states arm the other half, then everyone plays cold war.




And how well did the 'State of the Art' Russian weaponry hold up in Gulf Wars 1 and 2?  Go ask the Russians. No Contest :smirk:




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Intercept rates are half the time.  That's a huge deal when your at the receiving end.


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    #23436389 - 07/12/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



The West escalates with Russia: Make no mistake, a second Cold War is now official NATO policy

NATO's aggressive posture towards Russia sets a dangerous course for Obama's successor


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    #23436463 - 07/12/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As usual, the US is supporting religious nut jobs...

U.S.-backed Syrian rebels committing war crimes, torture, abductions; imposing harsh Sharia law




I am starting to hate my country. Not just the government, but the citizens, for being so fucking stupid. Europe is hardly different, by the way, for all their talk about Americans.


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The West escalates with Russia: Make no mistake, a second Cold War is now official NATO policy

NATO's aggressive posture towards Russia sets a dangerous course for Obama's successor




What the fuck do they have against Russia? It's not even Communist anymore. I suppose this is about them getting involved in the middle East? I know that they are importing oil through Syria, correct?


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    #23436720 - 07/13/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What the fuck do they have against Russia? It's not even Communist anymore. I suppose this is about them getting involved in the middle East? I know that they are importing oil through Syria, correct?



I honestly don't know.  My guess is that the military industrial complex needs a constant enemy to keep plenty of money flowing their way.  Maybe it's about oil.  I really don't know.  :shrug:

But it most certainly isn't about the Syrian people, because we took the side of the religious extremists.


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    #23437058 - 07/13/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm interested to know more about what the populous opinions around the baltic, concerning nato and russia, are?


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The States do not have a lot of good options for Allies around the world.  They chose to be active verses inactive.  As for the Baltic states I'm sure it sucks to be in the middle of the fire.  Even Belarus could be a bad area.  They have a history of Soviet nature so they can't  just easily up and join the west.


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The West escalates with Russia: Make no mistake, a second Cold War is now official NATO policy

NATO's aggressive posture towards Russia sets a dangerous course for Obama's successor




What the fuck do they have against Russia? It's not even Communist anymore. I suppose this is about them getting involved in the middle East? I know that they are importing oil through Syria, correct?





Whatever corporate wants, corporate gets. Obama is following orders from corporate america. Now since Putin is opening his mouth to the world about what is going on, that the U.S. businessmen wants to silence him. They has did the same thing with Fidel Castro, and now they are doing it to Putin. Their motto is, if you don't like our products, then die. They has a new weapon that only attacks the genes in certain species or race. I guess that they are dying to try it out.



The issue has been subject of a heated debate for some months inside Russia. In February 2014, just days prior to the US-orchestrated coup d’etat in Ukraine, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev created a national research project to obtain scientific information so the Government and Duma might make a decision on GMOs in Russia. Now a definitive decision has been made, and it goes against Monsanto and the US-led GMO cartel. We can say Russia’s crisis has concentrated minds on the essentials of life.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dorkovich told an international biotechnology conference in Kirov September 18, “As far as genetically-modified organisms are concerned, we have made the decision not to use any GMO in food productions.”  http://www.mintpressnews.com/worlds-largest-country-russia-bans-gmo-food-crops/210085/


Monsanto and Gates Foundation Pressure Kenya to Lift Ban on GMOs http://www.ecowatch.com/monsanto-and-gates-foundation-pressure-kenya-to-lift-ban-on-gmos-1882144919.html


The US Wants To Force GMO Seeds On Salvadoran Farmers, But They're Resisting: Report  http://www.ibtimes.com/us-wants-force-gmo-seeds-salvadoran-farmers-theyre-resisting-report-1623064







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    #23437591 - 07/13/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lmao, so your saying that this is a genetically modified war?

Putin is the richest man in the world.  Your saying he doesn't have business interests?  Not that I am supporting GMO, I wouldn't dare have it in my garden.


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Lmao, so your saying that this is a genetically modified war?

Putin is the richest man in the world.  Your saying he doesn't have business interests?  Not that I am supporting GMO, I wouldn't dare have it in my garden.




They has invested a lot of money and time into this stuff, that a lot of investors will lose millions. Remember they has bought almost all the seeds companies that is out there, and that is a lot of cash that has been spent. It might seem as if it is not, but they are trying there best to put this stuff onto everyone dinner table rather they like it or not. That shows that they has put in major investment into this stuff, that they cannot drop this cash cow for nothing or they will go bankrupt. That is why they trying to infiltrate as many of their people into office to make sure that this product doesn't becomes a total lost.


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    #23438311 - 07/13/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol, my bad, for some reason I thought Bulgaria was up in between Ukraine and Belarus

and I'm wondering because all the information is polarized that reaches the states, so I'm not sure if I could get any general picture.


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lol, my bad, for some reason I thought Bulgaria was up in between Ukraine and Belarus

and I'm wondering because all the information is polarized that reaches the states, so I'm not sure if I could get any general picture.




If you really want information you can find legitimate sources for a lot of things. Wikipedia can be helpful, obviously. Thank god for the internet.


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The one thing that I've stumbled upon so far and that seems to run deep is that forcing Russian language on the Baltic states when they got included in the USSR was really a bad move because they hated every minute of it and still do. I don't really know what defines a people "a people" but language seems to be pretty important so forcing some peoples with national consciousness to use what is to them essentially a foreign language seems likely to backfire; in the case of the Baltics, it did.



The Soviet Union was trying to educate people so they could better assimilate into the USSR.

Your point is understood; you're basically saying the US shouldn't require Mexicans from formerly Mexican states (like Texas and California) to learn English.


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    #23438655 - 07/13/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

“As part of sweeping “economic restructuring” implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:

Pay Monsanto, or starve.

“The American Administrator of the Iraqi CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) government, Paul Bremer, updated Iraq’s intellectual property law to ‘meet current internationally-recognized standards of protection’.

The updated law makes saving seeds for next year’s harvest, practiced by 97% of Iraqi farmers in 2002, and is the standard farming practice for thousands of years across human civilizations, to be now illegal.. Instead, farmers will have to obtain a yearly license for genetically modified (GM) seeds from American corporations. These GM seeds have typically been modified from seeds developed over thousands of generations by indigenous farmers like the Iraqis, and shared freely like agricultural ‘open source.'”

Iraq law Requires Seed Licenses November 13, 2004  http://markcrispinmiller.com/2013/03/us-forced-iraqis-to-buy-seeds-from-monsanto-and-now-were-all-under-the-gun-2/


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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.


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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?


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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?




Umm... no... dude... standard rules apply.. If America does it, it's all good!


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CNN are nothing but the corporation's hired flunkies. They'll lie and act as if they are not lying at all. You get more reliable source of information from Star magazine rather than from them.




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No one can fool Trump. This is an old segment, and look at Trump now.




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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?




I learned some Spanish thru elementary school to high school in Ohio.  It's important to revamp Native American languages.  Most Spanish speaking people are not from Spanish speaking people but native to the Americas.  The Spanish invaded and did all the horrible things that the states did too.


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CNN are nothing but the corporation's hired flunkies. They'll lie and act as if they are not lying at all. You get more reliable source of information from Star magazine rather than from them.







I doesn't know how I accidentally posted that video of Obama. But here's the original video that I intended to be posted.



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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?




I learned some Spanish thru elementary school to high school in Ohio.  It's important to revamp Native American languages.  Most Spanish speaking people are not from Spanish speaking people but native to the Americas.  The Spanish invaded and did all the horrible things that the states did too.



Spanish originated in South West Europe bro!


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No kidding, ya don't say.  Lmao!

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Most Spanish speaking people do not live in Spain.  No Hablo Ingles?


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The one thing that I've stumbled upon so far and that seems to run deep is that forcing Russian language on the Baltic states when they got included in the USSR was really a bad move because they hated every minute of it and still do. I don't really know what defines a people "a people" but language seems to be pretty important so forcing some peoples with national consciousness to use what is to them essentially a foreign language seems likely to backfire; in the case of the Baltics, it did.



The Soviet Union was trying to educate people so they could better assimilate into the USSR.

Your point is understood; you're basically saying the US shouldn't require Mexicans from formerly Mexican states (like Texas and California) to learn English.



Sigh.

I'm not making a point. Just trying to understand how the world looks like from a certain perspective. It doesn't automatically lead to judgement.



I'm just trying to understand if you think the USSR did anything wrong by teaching its people the official language.  If so, does that mean you think the US shouldn't try to teach Mexican Americans English?

Why did you post what you did if you didn't have a point?


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The one thing that I've stumbled upon so far and that seems to run deep is that forcing Russian language on the Baltic states when they got included in the USSR was really a bad move because they hated every minute of it and still do. I don't really know what defines a people "a people" but language seems to be pretty important so forcing some peoples with national consciousness to use what is to them essentially a foreign language seems likely to backfire; in the case of the Baltics, it did.



The Soviet Union was trying to educate people so they could better assimilate into the USSR.

Your point is understood; you're basically saying the US shouldn't require Mexicans from formerly Mexican states (like Texas and California) to learn English.



Sigh.

I'm not making a point. Just trying to understand how the world looks like from a certain perspective. It doesn't automatically lead to judgement.



I'm just trying to understand if you think the USSR did anything wrong by teaching its people the official language.  If so, does that mean you think the US shouldn't try to teach Mexican Americans English?

Why did you post what you did if you didn't have a point?





I'm not sure what night shift is thinking but, for me, I think they were wrong. I think language is decided by the regional population and is something we shouldn't let the state regulate. I think educational programs to kids (esl) in schools 100% and offering classes for adults should be encouraged and is a great tool to help with integration but, willingness to participate is key. I feel like language is something personal to you and when it's enforced instead of encouraged not only are you closing doors within your own culture but increasing the burden on those already facing quite a few and could feel to them as if you're stripping some of their heritage away.


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...and it appears as though night_shift would agree.  :shrug:


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    #23441232 - 07/14/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it would seem so, but I was just thinking about that idea and opening it up a little.


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    #23441572 - 07/14/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps there was a reason for a cold war with the Soviet Union under communism, but is there a reason for it with Russia under capitalism?  :shrug:

Russia certainly doesn't want it.


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    #23441596 - 07/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!


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It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!




Yeah... We Americans light the world up, real good :wink:


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...and it appears as though night_shift would agree.  :shrug:



And I do.

Language is very personal. There isn't a word-for-word match between any two languages. Words are categories in which we think. Different languages offer different categories and shape people thinking in different ways. I think this is good, I enjoy the diversity between languages, I like finding a word that I can't literally translate in my own language because it has this hint of some other thing as well - this is probably a pain in the ass for translators as well as the source of their interest in their work, lol. I don't know. Anyway, when a foreign language is forced it's bad. It's a gut feeling of loss and confusion because the new language is essentially a new "map" people are not familiar with, they find it useless, restricting, they have their own and to hell with this.

Language is some serious shit and messing with it shouldn't be taken lightly.




I agree with you. Language is very important to culture. People are very resentful when they are forced to learn a new language. Resentful of everything that language represents, and also resentful of the fact that they have to learn to do something so complex and difficult, without any desire to. All the while, it is a symbol of political distress, and possibly a painful reminder of loved ones lost in the struggle.

Shit, I know people who have come here from Spanish speaking countries, who speak English, but refuse to use it for reasons of pride. I do find that silly though.


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    #23441711 - 07/14/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We do although everyone has different morals.  America dumps more money into other countries than anyone.  So it's important to influence the political game at home.


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    #23442619 - 07/15/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!



What would make the world lighter?  What do they need to work hard and give more to?

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Yeah... We Americans light the world up, real good :wink:



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    #23443090 - 07/15/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?  There are American groups that try to make the world easier.  The peace corps and all sort of humanitarian efforts that Russia does not do!


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When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?  There are American groups that try to make the world easier.  The peace corps and all sort of humanitarian efforts that Russia does not do!




You cannot get something for nothing. The clintons claimed that they wanted to help Haitians, but instead they has gotten something else out of the deal.

Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/role-of-hillary-clintons-brother-in-haiti-gold-mine-raises-eyebrows/2015/03/20/c8b6e3bc-cc05-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html

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    #23448334 - 07/16/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?



Usually both.  The largest recipient of US aid is Israel, though I'm not sure how much they're starving or injured.


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Ya people feel bad for the Jews in Israel.


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Back to the original topic.  Let's agree that the USSR (pre-breakup) taught its citizens how to speak Russian.  Let's even agree that they currently aren't providing as much aid to other countries as the US.

Is that justification for a new cold war???


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    #23451183 - 07/17/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is no justification.

The way I see it, Russia did a few small things to egg the US on, and the US reacted like the warmongery asshole we've become. We seem to be masters at framing other countries to be some mortal enemy, and us the innocent white knight, whenever our leaders' feathers get slightly ruffled.

A cold war is a dick measuring contest, and America likes to show off it's giant cock. I swear, we have children running this country.

Now Putin is sitting back, watching America respond like a bunch of fucking assholes, which he knew we would do, and he gets to make us out to be these psychopathic super-villains, intent on destroying the world. He may not be far off the mark with that, but it's not for some Nazi-esq purpose. It's because our government feels the need to intimidate and destroy the faintest opposition. We're not interested in global conquest. Just showing off our big dick, as I said. The whole world better know about that dick, and better not think for one damn second they are permitted any sort of autonomy without giving it a little stroke and a spit shine.

:freewilly:

I'm sure this isn't entirely accurate, but that's how it feels. I think it all really boils down to money, and ways to propogate war for financial purposes. Again, America's response to Russia's antics was still quite predictable. Any potential war is the finest bait for the American government.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23454970 - 07/19/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

MPs vote to renew Trident: Jeremy Corbyn suffers biggest rebellion of his leadership as Britain's nuclear deterrent backed by 472 to 117

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Jeremy Corbyn has been heckled and accused of lying by his own MPs and told he was “defending the countries’ enemies” as he announced he would vote against renewing Trident.

MPs on Monday night overwhelmingly backed renewing the Trident nuclear deterrent by 472 to 117 - a majority of 355 votes - which means it is secure for a generation.

Mr Corbyn suffered the biggest rebellion of his leadership as 140 Labour MPs supported renewal despite his opposition while just 47 voted against.

The SNP boosted its claim to be the "real opposition" in Westminster as all 54 of the party's MPs voted against keeping Trident, seven more than Labour. That came despite Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, attacking the SNP during his closing speech in the Commons by saying the party is "happy to cower under an American nuclear umbrella".




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    #23460392 - 07/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




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    #23460530 - 07/20/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




This is one guy's opinion, but things are getting interesting...




I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...


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    #23461247 - 07/20/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...



I'll bet it happens very soon.  Which is one reason I won't vote for her.


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    #23461546 - 07/21/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh oh.  Things are starting to backfire on Obama.

Looks like Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia.

The Coup in Turkey has Thrown a Wrench in Uncle Sam’s “Pivot” Plan

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The Obama administrations disregard for the national security interests of its allies, has pushed the Turkish president into Moscow’s camp, removing the crucial landbridge between Europe and Asia that Washington needs to maintain its global hegemony into the new century. Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia, surround and break up Russia, control China’s growth and maintain its iron grip on global power is now in a shambles.

Turkey’s disappointment with the United States’ policy in Syria has increased with time, especially considering Washington’s continued support for the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria. Ankara sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization.

Instead of addressing Erdogan’s security concerns, Obama brushed him aside in order to pursue the US goal of establishing bases and seizing territory in East Syria that will eventually be used as pipeline routes from Qatar to the EU.

Putin and Erdogan have settled their differences and scheduled a meeting for the beginning of August. In other words, the first world leader Erdogan plans to meet after the coup, is his new friend, Vladimir Putin.




This is one guy's opinion, but things are getting interesting...




Cant be that far off the mark. Turkeys a hotbed for islamists, and theyre very cozy with ISIS. I sense that theres going to be a dramatic shift in the way the media presents Turkey in light of this. Their only stake in the country is geopolitical, without that alliance turkeys utility to congress evaporates with it. So will their support. Theres already whispers of kicking turkey out of the NATO alliance in the media. Watch them suddenly find issues with all the other international agreements theyve been violating.


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    #23464819 - 07/22/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only sure thing about life is it one day ends. The sad truth is it's all about the great almighty dollar being the world's reserve currency. The US desire to keep this status despite not doing the productivity that made it worthy of such a status. In short, forced military might began to take the place of genuine productivity and innovation. Wars made of false pretense resulted from this causing world wide discord and opened the door for groups to be united in hatred of the US. If you noticed, all the places the US invaded for "democracy" have strategic mineral or geopositional resources that can be used to circumvent other nations ability to compete with the US dollar.

For example both Syria and Iraq have several important piplines that fed Europe who's euro was a potential threat, and Afghanistan has extremely large amounts of lithium and rare earth metals as well as a good strategic point to attack Iran or China if need be. Iran controls a very strategic sea port and their banking system is independent of the world reserve bank. It's a massive fraud in short.

At this point, everyone knows this, and some nations like Russia and China see it as an opportunity to become the next world economic power and enjoy the prosperity America once had. A worldwide nuclear war is a very real possibility at this point, and if nothing changes very drastically and soon, it will be an inevitability. Based on the inexorable PRIDE of the current POTUS, he would rather press the button than say the most politically horrifying words of all... I am sorry, we were wrong. PLEASE FORGIVE US.


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I wonder how soon Hillary will be invading Turkey to overthrow their brutish dictator and seize their WMD's...



I'll bet it happens very soon.  Which is one reason I won't vote for her.




As soon as turkey gets thrown out of the NATO


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    #23486475 - 07/28/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

On the one hand you have Hillarys calculating allegiance to the military industrial complex, on the other you have Trump, who's only out for himself. This really is the death of the republic.


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    #23486581 - 07/28/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Trump has talked a lot about nato, none of wich revolves around starting more war.

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    #23486667 - 07/28/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yaaaa right.  Trump would drop a billion of his own $ into a Boeing stock and start a war if his poll numbers rise.  It could be his second term cause that is what every first term President wants.


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Yaaaa right.  Trump would drop a billion of his own $ into a Boeing stock and start a war if his poll numbers rise.  It could be his second term cause that is what every first term President wants.




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    #23487381 - 07/28/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump has talked a lot about nato, none of wich revolves around starting more war.

Hate war?

Vote Trump




He actually suggested he wouldnt hold to the central tenet of NATO. That attack against one is an attack against all. Withdrawing from that alliance would precipitate in wars across the globe and significantly blunt American influence. The mans a goddamn fool.


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    #23487530 - 07/28/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.




What's wrong with Elizabeth Warren? In a very dirty line of work she is one of the few that yells for all who will listen to expose shitty gov't.
Don't sell her out. I say that because I keep seeing some of the few progressives being called sellouts. We need more Elizabeth Warrens. She pushes the party left. Very few are. We need more. We are dangerously close to a Donald Trump presidency. This is a disaster that must be averted at all costs. At this point we need HRC(okay hold on a sec while I get this vomit taste out of my mouth).. we need HRC if for no other reason to appoint judges. We need Citizens United overturned. Donald will not do this. Change is slow. Our govt is set up like this for a reason. Elect HRC and enough Elizabeth Warrens to keep HRC in check. HRC will tax the 1%(if you think that's important. I do) if we give her a Dem senate. Did HRC sellout to win at all costs? I think so but if she does the right thing once in office then I'm not mad at her. She did not make the rules(Citezens United) but knew what it is going to take to win against the Reps and their dirty money. HRC is too often being painted with too broad a brush and only in black and white. She really does have a long history of doing kind things and fighting for those who could not fight for themselves. As Sec of State I think she has a realistic viewpoint of where this planet is as far as security goes.

NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it? Hard to tell but the important thing is that since it started ..no www3. Putin is a KGB thug and he has in recent years proved his ambition of expanding his kleptocracy. He is concerned that his "nuclear potential" is threatened. What threat does his nuclear potential represent? I'm more skeptical of Putin than NATO.

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Yes, but it isn't just Hillary. It's the Barbara boxers, Ted Cruz's, etc. It's almost all of them. You only have a few good people. Allan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Reich... I can't put Elizabeth Warren on that list anymore. I would like her to stay in office, but she has lost a lot of my respect.

The TPP is an abomination, and it is very likely that it will pass, because we have such shitty government. This country  needs to get its act together. There are too many HU's running around to fix our problems.




What's wrong with Elizabeth Warren? In a very dirty line of work she is one of the few that yells for all who will listen to expose shitty gov't.
Don't sell her out. I say that because I keep seeing some of the few progressives being called sellouts. We need more Elizabeth Warrens. She pushes the party left. Very few are. We need more. We are dangerously close to a Donald Trump presidency. This is a disaster that must be averted at all costs. At this point we need HRC(okay hold on a sec while I get this vomit taste out of my mouth).. we need HRC if for no other reason to appoint judges. We need Citizens United overturned. Donald will not do this. Change is slow. Our govt is set up like this for a reason. Elect HRC and enough Elizabeth Warrens to keep HRC in check. HRC will tax the 1%(if you think that's important. I do) if we give her a Dem senate. Did HRC sellout to win at all costs? I think so but if she does the right thing once in office then I'm not mad at her. She did not make the rules(Citezens United) but knew what it is going to take to win against the Reps and their dirty money. HRC is too often being painted with too broad a brush and only in black and white. She really does have a long history of doing kind things and fighting for those who could not fight for themselves. As Sec of State I think she has a realistic viewpoint of where this planet is as far as security goes.

NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it? Hard to tell but the important thing is that since it started ..no www3. Putin is a KGB thug and he has in recent years proved his ambition of expanding his kleptocracy. He is concerned that his "nuclear potential" is threatened. What threat does his nuclear potential represent? I'm more skeptical of Putin than NATO.

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    #23487643 - 07/28/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We need HRC to appoint judges? You think she is against Citizens United? :laugh2: She's one of the biggest benefiters of Citizens United.

I'm pretty sure her appointee won't be better than anyone else's. Electing neoliberals is the worst thing we can do. It gives the country the impression that we have a left-wing voice in politics, when in reality, we don't. The left becomes apathetic, and disempowered. They think it is impossible to accomplish anything, because there is nobody vying for them in office.

The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me. Until then, I have always liked Warren, but she expressed very avid support of a person who she personally knows is corrupt, and stands against her core values. I understand the fear of Trump, but I am seeing supposed 'left-wingers' trading in their integrity for the lesser of two evils, and I personally cannot abide.

Case and point: I've been discussing on a couple of other threads the differences between Obama and Bush. Here's a hint: There is no difference.

There is not one Bush policy, that I can think of, that Obama has changed.

Would you want Bush making our Supreme Court Justice appointment? An Obama appointee is not likely to differ from a Bush appointee in any dramatic way, and neither is a Clinton appointee.

So stop with your fear spiel. We're already destined to have another terrible president. Vote with integrity. Vote with your conscience. Vote third party.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23487719 - 07/28/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fauxcahontas is a sellout too, must be a democrat thing


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23487948 - 07/29/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We need HRC to appoint judges? You think she is against Citizens United? :laugh2: She's one of the biggest benefiters of Citizens United.

I'm pretty sure her appointee won't be better than anyone else's. Electing neoliberals is the worst thing we can do. It gives the country the impression that we have a left-wing voice in politics, when in reality, we don't. The left becomes apathetic, and disempowered. They think it is impossible to accomplish anything, because there is nobody vying for them in office.

The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me. Until then, I have always liked Warren, but she expressed very avid support of a person who she personally knows is corrupt, and stands against her core values. I understand the fear of Trump, but I am seeing supposed 'left-wingers' trading in their integrity for the lesser of two evils, and I personally cannot abide.

Case and point: I've been discussing on a couple of other threads the differences between Obama and Bush. Here's a hint: There is no difference.

There is not one Bush policy, that I can think of, that Obama has changed.

Would you want Bush making our Supreme Court Justice appointment? An Obama appointee is not likely to differ from a Bush appointee in any dramatic way, and neither is a Clinton appointee.

So stop with your fear spiel. We're already destined to have another terrible president. Vote with integrity. Vote with your conscience. Vote third party.



It will be hard to overturn Citizens United needing I think 2/3 house and senate plus 38 states? But yeah I'd prefer HRC appointing judges than any republican. Why aren't they even considering Obama's choice?

I have read your theory about Obama being a bush clone and I just don't think you are thinking/remembering straight. "Calling for higher taxes on the rich has been a feature of every one of Obama's budgets since 2009. Remember the Buffett Rule? That would have imposed a minimum 30% effective federal tax rate on the very wealthy." http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/pf/taxes/obama-taxes-rich/ ; and I know that it is saying the dems own cnn but read the article. It has facts. Bush had a very cooperative house and senate and to overlook the obstruction that Obama has faced is blindness, willfull or otherwise. And yes race card.

Third party vote in this election is a wasted vote. The stakes are too high. And yes, the fear is real. Elizabeth Warren is endorsing HRC for a reason. You should give Elizabeth more credit. Politics is a dirty scene and compromise and choosing battles is how this country is meant to operate. The problem is no-show Dems in the midterms. The far right saw that weakness and exploited it. Elizabeth knows that she can push and hold HRC accountable. Trump is absolutely unqualified for the job. Luckily, there are level headed Reps that are going to vote HRC. Baby boomers are retiring or nearing retirement and are scared that Wallstreet will get scared if a wildcard like trump takes office. There are older people that don't want volatility with their retirement savings/401s

Elizabeth, Bernie, Sharrod Brown. We do have a left but the right has gone so crazy right that it pulls our left closer to center. Checks and balances are designed to keep stability and not have quick, mob mentality swings.

Look, ideally I am the most teary eyed pinko commie that I know. But I also live in reality and am old enough to have seen the very real differences when the different parties have been in power. Change takes time but we have to at least be trying to move the bar to the left. And also just to stress this, judging the Pres you have to look at what help or lack of help they are getting from the legislative and judiciary branches.

Only looking at HRC in the most negative and one dimensional light is not fair to the people who are trying to move the bar left. Don't throw your vote away and please at least vote dems in the house/senate and vote in midterms. Midterms are key.

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    #23488077 - 07/29/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It will be hard to overturn Citizens United needing I think 2/3 house and senate plus 38 states? But yeah I'd prefer HRC appointing judges than any republican. Why aren't they even considering Obama's choice?




If enough states call for a convention the house and senate are irrelevant. As far as Obama's appointee, they aren't considering it because they are partisan, and would lose votes if they did consider it. Right wing America is incredibly reactionary, and when they make up their mind, it is set in stone. Fox News told them how to feel about Obama, so they will not vote for any Senator who supports anything to do with Obama, and that is just that.

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I have read your theory about Obama being a bush clone and I just don't think you are thinking/remembering straight.




I actually am remembering straight. Obama has continued every single one of Bush's policies. Every single one. That is a fact, sir. Not some 'theory'.

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"Calling for higher taxes on the rich has been a feature of every one of Obama's budgets since 2009. Remember the Buffett Rule? That would have imposed a minimum 30% effective federal tax rate on the very wealthy."




30% isn't shit. It used to be 92%. Obstructionism wasn't a problem in Obama's first term, by the way. He had a majority in congress.

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Bush had a very cooperative house and senate and to overlook the obstruction that Obama has faced is blindness, willfull or otherwise. And yes race card.




Firstly, the congress is supposed to be obstructionist. Here in America, we don't elect dictators. That is part of checks and balances. If the people elect a majority Republican congress, while they have a Democratic president, it's because they want a congress that doesn't share views with the president. This empowers the people.

Now yes, Republicans have been incredibly childish, obstructing for obstruction's sake, but at the end of the day, that's what is getting them elected, isn't it? It is, and that's why they do it.

Obama hasn't fought against Bush policies like the Patriot Act, and NSA spying, though. He even continued torture programs, never shut down Guantanamo, and expanded the wars. And on and on.

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Third party vote in this election is a wasted vote. The stakes are too high. And yes, the fear is real.




I won't vote out of fear. This is the best election for a third party vote. Third parties are finally able to build steam. The two parties are crumbling.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23488231 - 07/29/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me.




But Bernies support of HRC is OK?


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That I can get behind.


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    #23488235 - 07/29/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Right and Left wing America is incredibly reactionary, and when they make up their mind, it is set in stone.




Fixed that for you.


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    #23494181 - 07/30/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23501132 - 08/02/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it?.




I think you're mixing up NATO with UN and especially UN's security council. NATO is a military pact. Peace is by definition not on the agenda.




No. I was talking about NATO because "NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war" is the what is being said. Peace might not be the agenda but is the goal. What would you say the goal of the North Atlantic Treaty was/is?

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23501177 - 08/02/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it?.




I think you're mixing up NATO with UN and especially UN's security council. NATO is a military pact. Peace is by definition not on the agenda.






NATO is an alliance of countries (hence, an Organization).  NAT is the pact.


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    #23501289 - 08/02/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We've come a lot closer before. I think people who see the endtimes in their lifetime are foolish and vain.


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