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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war *DELETED* [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23439935 - 07/14/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23439983 - 07/14/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?




I learned some Spanish thru elementary school to high school in Ohio.  It's important to revamp Native American languages.  Most Spanish speaking people are not from Spanish speaking people but native to the Americas.  The Spanish invaded and did all the horrible things that the states did too.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23439988 - 07/14/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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CNN are nothing but the corporation's hired flunkies. They'll lie and act as if they are not lying at all. You get more reliable source of information from Star magazine rather than from them.







I doesn't know how I accidentally posted that video of Obama. But here's the original video that I intended to be posted.



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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23440030 - 07/14/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe it's also called subversion or reeducation.



So you would agree public schools in formerly Mexican states should teach Mexican Americans in Spanish if that's what they want?




I learned some Spanish thru elementary school to high school in Ohio.  It's important to revamp Native American languages.  Most Spanish speaking people are not from Spanish speaking people but native to the Americas.  The Spanish invaded and did all the horrible things that the states did too.



Spanish originated in South West Europe bro!


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23440088 - 07/14/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No kidding, ya don't say.  Lmao!

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23440095 - 07/14/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Most Spanish speaking people do not live in Spain.  No Hablo Ingles?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23440372 - 07/14/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The one thing that I've stumbled upon so far and that seems to run deep is that forcing Russian language on the Baltic states when they got included in the USSR was really a bad move because they hated every minute of it and still do. I don't really know what defines a people "a people" but language seems to be pretty important so forcing some peoples with national consciousness to use what is to them essentially a foreign language seems likely to backfire; in the case of the Baltics, it did.



The Soviet Union was trying to educate people so they could better assimilate into the USSR.

Your point is understood; you're basically saying the US shouldn't require Mexicans from formerly Mexican states (like Texas and California) to learn English.



Sigh.

I'm not making a point. Just trying to understand how the world looks like from a certain perspective. It doesn't automatically lead to judgement.



I'm just trying to understand if you think the USSR did anything wrong by teaching its people the official language.  If so, does that mean you think the US shouldn't try to teach Mexican Americans English?

Why did you post what you did if you didn't have a point?


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23440403 - 07/14/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Most Spanish speaking people do not live in Spain.  No Hablo Ingles?



Okay i get it now. Your original post didn't make much sense!


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23441039 - 07/14/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The one thing that I've stumbled upon so far and that seems to run deep is that forcing Russian language on the Baltic states when they got included in the USSR was really a bad move because they hated every minute of it and still do. I don't really know what defines a people "a people" but language seems to be pretty important so forcing some peoples with national consciousness to use what is to them essentially a foreign language seems likely to backfire; in the case of the Baltics, it did.



The Soviet Union was trying to educate people so they could better assimilate into the USSR.

Your point is understood; you're basically saying the US shouldn't require Mexicans from formerly Mexican states (like Texas and California) to learn English.



Sigh.

I'm not making a point. Just trying to understand how the world looks like from a certain perspective. It doesn't automatically lead to judgement.



I'm just trying to understand if you think the USSR did anything wrong by teaching its people the official language.  If so, does that mean you think the US shouldn't try to teach Mexican Americans English?

Why did you post what you did if you didn't have a point?





I'm not sure what night shift is thinking but, for me, I think they were wrong. I think language is decided by the regional population and is something we shouldn't let the state regulate. I think educational programs to kids (esl) in schools 100% and offering classes for adults should be encouraged and is a great tool to help with integration but, willingness to participate is key. I feel like language is something personal to you and when it's enforced instead of encouraged not only are you closing doors within your own culture but increasing the burden on those already facing quite a few and could feel to them as if you're stripping some of their heritage away.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: airclay]
    #23441163 - 07/14/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

...and it appears as though night_shift would agree.  :shrug:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23441232 - 07/14/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it would seem so, but I was just thinking about that idea and opening it up a little.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war *DELETED* [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23441443 - 07/14/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift] * 1
    #23441572 - 07/14/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps there was a reason for a cold war with the Soviet Union under communism, but is there a reason for it with Russia under capitalism?  :shrug:

Russia certainly doesn't want it.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23441596 - 07/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #23441627 - 07/14/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!




Yeah... We Americans light the world up, real good :wink:


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    #23441648 - 07/14/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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...and it appears as though night_shift would agree.  :shrug:



And I do.

Language is very personal. There isn't a word-for-word match between any two languages. Words are categories in which we think. Different languages offer different categories and shape people thinking in different ways. I think this is good, I enjoy the diversity between languages, I like finding a word that I can't literally translate in my own language because it has this hint of some other thing as well - this is probably a pain in the ass for translators as well as the source of their interest in their work, lol. I don't know. Anyway, when a foreign language is forced it's bad. It's a gut feeling of loss and confusion because the new language is essentially a new "map" people are not familiar with, they find it useless, restricting, they have their own and to hell with this.

Language is some serious shit and messing with it shouldn't be taken lightly.




I agree with you. Language is very important to culture. People are very resentful when they are forced to learn a new language. Resentful of everything that language represents, and also resentful of the fact that they have to learn to do something so complex and difficult, without any desire to. All the while, it is a symbol of political distress, and possibly a painful reminder of loved ones lost in the struggle.

Shit, I know people who have come here from Spanish speaking countries, who speak English, but refuse to use it for reasons of pride. I do find that silly though.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23441711 - 07/14/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We do although everyone has different morals.  America dumps more money into other countries than anyone.  So it's important to influence the political game at home.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23442619 - 07/15/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a huge game and Russia doesn't do much to make the world lighter.  Perhaps they could in time but it's difficult to believe it's going to happen.  If they work hard to give more then maybe!



What would make the world lighter?  What do they need to work hard and give more to?

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Yeah... We Americans light the world up, real good :wink:



That's for sure.  :grin:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23443090 - 07/15/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?  There are American groups that try to make the world easier.  The peace corps and all sort of humanitarian efforts that Russia does not do!


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23443149 - 07/15/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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When people are starving, injured or being victims, is it the USA or Russia that gives aid?  There are American groups that try to make the world easier.  The peace corps and all sort of humanitarian efforts that Russia does not do!




You cannot get something for nothing. The clintons claimed that they wanted to help Haitians, but instead they has gotten something else out of the deal.

Role of Hillary Clinton’s brother in Haiti gold mine raises eyebrows  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/role-of-hillary-clintons-brother-in-haiti-gold-mine-raises-eyebrows/2015/03/20/c8b6e3bc-cc05-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/video/peace-corps-women-stories-assaults-12619514


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