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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23487719 - 07/28/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fauxcahontas is a sellout too, must be a democrat thing


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23487948 - 07/29/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We need HRC to appoint judges? You think she is against Citizens United? :laugh2: She's one of the biggest benefiters of Citizens United.

I'm pretty sure her appointee won't be better than anyone else's. Electing neoliberals is the worst thing we can do. It gives the country the impression that we have a left-wing voice in politics, when in reality, we don't. The left becomes apathetic, and disempowered. They think it is impossible to accomplish anything, because there is nobody vying for them in office.

The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me. Until then, I have always liked Warren, but she expressed very avid support of a person who she personally knows is corrupt, and stands against her core values. I understand the fear of Trump, but I am seeing supposed 'left-wingers' trading in their integrity for the lesser of two evils, and I personally cannot abide.

Case and point: I've been discussing on a couple of other threads the differences between Obama and Bush. Here's a hint: There is no difference.

There is not one Bush policy, that I can think of, that Obama has changed.

Would you want Bush making our Supreme Court Justice appointment? An Obama appointee is not likely to differ from a Bush appointee in any dramatic way, and neither is a Clinton appointee.

So stop with your fear spiel. We're already destined to have another terrible president. Vote with integrity. Vote with your conscience. Vote third party.



It will be hard to overturn Citizens United needing I think 2/3 house and senate plus 38 states? But yeah I'd prefer HRC appointing judges than any republican. Why aren't they even considering Obama's choice?

I have read your theory about Obama being a bush clone and I just don't think you are thinking/remembering straight. "Calling for higher taxes on the rich has been a feature of every one of Obama's budgets since 2009. Remember the Buffett Rule? That would have imposed a minimum 30% effective federal tax rate on the very wealthy." http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/pf/taxes/obama-taxes-rich/ ; and I know that it is saying the dems own cnn but read the article. It has facts. Bush had a very cooperative house and senate and to overlook the obstruction that Obama has faced is blindness, willfull or otherwise. And yes race card.

Third party vote in this election is a wasted vote. The stakes are too high. And yes, the fear is real. Elizabeth Warren is endorsing HRC for a reason. You should give Elizabeth more credit. Politics is a dirty scene and compromise and choosing battles is how this country is meant to operate. The problem is no-show Dems in the midterms. The far right saw that weakness and exploited it. Elizabeth knows that she can push and hold HRC accountable. Trump is absolutely unqualified for the job. Luckily, there are level headed Reps that are going to vote HRC. Baby boomers are retiring or nearing retirement and are scared that Wallstreet will get scared if a wildcard like trump takes office. There are older people that don't want volatility with their retirement savings/401s

Elizabeth, Bernie, Sharrod Brown. We do have a left but the right has gone so crazy right that it pulls our left closer to center. Checks and balances are designed to keep stability and not have quick, mob mentality swings.

Look, ideally I am the most teary eyed pinko commie that I know. But I also live in reality and am old enough to have seen the very real differences when the different parties have been in power. Change takes time but we have to at least be trying to move the bar to the left. And also just to stress this, judging the Pres you have to look at what help or lack of help they are getting from the legislative and judiciary branches.

Only looking at HRC in the most negative and one dimensional light is not fair to the people who are trying to move the bar left. Don't throw your vote away and please at least vote dems in the house/senate and vote in midterms. Midterms are key.

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: spock] * 1
    #23488077 - 07/29/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It will be hard to overturn Citizens United needing I think 2/3 house and senate plus 38 states? But yeah I'd prefer HRC appointing judges than any republican. Why aren't they even considering Obama's choice?




If enough states call for a convention the house and senate are irrelevant. As far as Obama's appointee, they aren't considering it because they are partisan, and would lose votes if they did consider it. Right wing America is incredibly reactionary, and when they make up their mind, it is set in stone. Fox News told them how to feel about Obama, so they will not vote for any Senator who supports anything to do with Obama, and that is just that.

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I have read your theory about Obama being a bush clone and I just don't think you are thinking/remembering straight.




I actually am remembering straight. Obama has continued every single one of Bush's policies. Every single one. That is a fact, sir. Not some 'theory'.

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"Calling for higher taxes on the rich has been a feature of every one of Obama's budgets since 2009. Remember the Buffett Rule? That would have imposed a minimum 30% effective federal tax rate on the very wealthy."




30% isn't shit. It used to be 92%. Obstructionism wasn't a problem in Obama's first term, by the way. He had a majority in congress.

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Bush had a very cooperative house and senate and to overlook the obstruction that Obama has faced is blindness, willfull or otherwise. And yes race card.




Firstly, the congress is supposed to be obstructionist. Here in America, we don't elect dictators. That is part of checks and balances. If the people elect a majority Republican congress, while they have a Democratic president, it's because they want a congress that doesn't share views with the president. This empowers the people.

Now yes, Republicans have been incredibly childish, obstructing for obstruction's sake, but at the end of the day, that's what is getting them elected, isn't it? It is, and that's why they do it.

Obama hasn't fought against Bush policies like the Patriot Act, and NSA spying, though. He even continued torture programs, never shut down Guantanamo, and expanded the wars. And on and on.

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Third party vote in this election is a wasted vote. The stakes are too high. And yes, the fear is real.




I won't vote out of fear. This is the best election for a third party vote. Third parties are finally able to build steam. The two parties are crumbling.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23488231 - 07/29/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that Warren was so incredibly supportive of Hillary Clinton is disgusting to me.




But Bernies support of HRC is OK?


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Vote with integrity. Vote with your conscience. Vote third party.




That I can get behind.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23488235 - 07/29/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Right and Left wing America is incredibly reactionary, and when they make up their mind, it is set in stone.




Fixed that for you.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war *DELETED* [Re: spock] * 1
    #23492859 - 07/30/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23494181 - 07/30/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23501132 - 08/02/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it?.




I think you're mixing up NATO with UN and especially UN's security council. NATO is a military pact. Peace is by definition not on the agenda.




No. I was talking about NATO because "NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war" is the what is being said. Peace might not be the agenda but is the goal. What would you say the goal of the North Atlantic Treaty was/is?

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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: night_shift]
    #23501177 - 08/02/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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NATO has been considered a key agreement that has kept our planet from world war. Has it?.




I think you're mixing up NATO with UN and especially UN's security council. NATO is a military pact. Peace is by definition not on the agenda.






NATO is an alliance of countries (hence, an Organization).  NAT is the pact.


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Re: NATO is pushing the world towards nuclear war [Re: demiu5]
    #23501289 - 08/02/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We've come a lot closer before. I think people who see the endtimes in their lifetime are foolish and vain.


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