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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Autonomous]
    #1789378 - 08/07/03 04:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Its ok...brown bear discrimination is common...


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Autonomous]
    #1789398 - 08/07/03 04:57 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I would like to add the following observations so that others might understand my position. I think it could be argued that the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan was STRATEGICALLY justified. However, I can find no MORAL justification for the taking of innocent human life.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1789403 - 08/07/03 04:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)


Whitey's always keepin 'em down.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Autonomous]
    #1789407 - 08/07/03 05:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Bears also tend not to have complex bureaucracies.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Autonomous]
    #1789410 - 08/07/03 05:01 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Autonomous said:
I would like to add the following observations so that others might understand my position. I think it could be argued that the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan was STRATEGICALLY justified. However, I can find no MORAL justification for the taking of innocent human life.




I agree with that statement completely. Of course in war, especially war with the technology of the time, civilian casualties will always be high. The current war in Iraq demonstrates the difference between the technology of the WW2 era and this one. Had we invaded Iraq 60 years ago, the civilian casualties would have been multiplied exponentially.

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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: shakta]
    #1789467 - 08/07/03 05:18 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

shakta said: Nope. I completely agree. I think the bombings in Japan were warranted though

-jesus fucking christ man, you need to travel or experience death first-hand. killing mass (or any for that matter) amounts of civilians is NEVER warranted.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #1789480 - 08/07/03 05:21 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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how the fuck does the human race even expect to survive the next 10 years with these weapons hanging around?



The same way we spent the last 60. Doing just fine.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1789538 - 08/07/03 05:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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atomikfunksoldier said:
shakta said: Nope. I completely agree. I think the bombings in Japan were warranted though

-jesus fucking christ man, you need to travel or experience death first-hand. killing mass (or any for that matter) amounts of civilians is NEVER warranted.




You know I understand your position on that, and I agree with you for the most part. I think in this instance it was justified though. As I said it saved lives. Would it have been better for 10,000,000 to die while the islands were being overtaken? I don't think so. We can argue about other scenarios all day long. It ended the war, and saved lives. Could other things have been done to end it? Possibly, but we will never know.

I want to clarify something here. I think you have a misunderstanding about me. I don't like seeing people killed. I hate war. Sometimes war is necessary though for the greater good. In war, innocents die. I would love it if we could all live in peace forever with no blood on our hands. Unfortunately this is just not realistic, at least not at this point in our history.

Here is a question for you. Would you say that killing a certain number of people to save a much higher number of people is justified? Forget about where they are from. Assume they are all of the same nationality. Would you sacrifice 5,000 to save 100,000. I am just using these numbers as an example.

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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1789680 - 08/07/03 06:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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how the fuck does the human race even expect to survive the next 10 years with these weapons hanging around?


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The same way we spent the last 60. Doing just fine.




i dont think so, were moving closer and closer to the brink of our own extinction. cant anyone see this?

technology is developing too quickly for the necissary checks and balances to keep things safe.
if you build on an unstable structure your building will colapse.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #1789696 - 08/07/03 06:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

The major problem I see are terrorists getting nukes. If this happens and they use them, I can see major carnage happening. I just hope it never happens.

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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: shakta]
    #1789703 - 08/07/03 06:32 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

There's an easy solution to that, you know, don't you?

Get rid of em. All of em. Ours, theirs, the little ones, the big ones, the ones on ships and in silos and in subs and in briefcases. All of them. Make them go away, and make it against global law to ever build or otherwise posess a nuclear weapon again.

Simple, no?


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: shakta]
    #1789744 - 08/07/03 06:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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The major problem I see are terrorists getting nukes. If this happens and they use them, I can see major carnage happening




But i bet the libbies would still blame it on the US...


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1789746 - 08/07/03 06:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

While that would be nice (not the global law part), do you really see it happening?

Not me. Not in this lifetime.

It's good to dream though.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1789873 - 08/07/03 07:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

All i can say is that the American people, myself included, would NEVER indorse ANY pre-emptive attack with nukes.

That may not be enough when it seems you aren't even given a choice beforehand, not even knowledge of, a strike using any weapon in your military's arsenal.

If you government wished to use atomic weapons against another country, what makes you think they would ask you, the people, first?


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: trendal]
    #1789914 - 08/07/03 07:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

ok ok ok shakta, i understand your p.o.v.

but, you say that it saved lives, correct?

but....approximatly 200,000 people died as a result of the bombings....so, when were 200,000 people in danger of dying in 1945?


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1789929 - 08/07/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
do you really see it happening?

Not me. Not in this lifetime.

It's good to dream though. 


I wouldn't be so sure.  The guy in charge of the air war during the original Gulf War (General Chuck Horner) was promoted after the war and put in charge of the nation's nuclear missiles.  After he retired, he became one of the leading spokemen against nuclear weapons. 

Get a few more people like that to speak up, and I think it will happen!  :smile2: 


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1789936 - 08/07/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

GernBlanston said:
There's an easy solution to that, you know, don't you?

Get rid of em. All of em. Ours, theirs, the little ones, the big ones, the ones on ships and in silos and in subs and in briefcases. All of them. Make them go away, and make it against global law to ever build or otherwise posess a nuclear weapon again.

Simple, no?




I think it would take more than that. I think we would have to mine all the fissionable material out of the earth's crust and shoot it all into space.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: shakta]
    #1789947 - 08/07/03 07:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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shakta said:
The major problem I see are terrorists getting nukes. If this happens and they use them, I can see major carnage happening. I just hope it never happens.




But america has the sense..or 'morality' to use them and manufacture them, and research how to make smalller more efficient ones?

...many would say the americans are terrorists....especially middle eastern countries. They might not be 'right' in your opinion, but what does opinion matter when people 'know' they are right...


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1789950 - 08/07/03 07:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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atomikfunksoldier said:
ok ok ok shakta, i understand your p.o.v.

but, you say that it saved lives, correct?

but....approximatly 200,000 people died as a result of the bombings....so, when were 200,000 people in danger of dying in 1945?




WE FIRE BOMBED JAP CITIES WITH NAPALM KILLING HUNDREADS OF THOUSANDS BEFORE WE DROPPED THE A-BOMBS. We would have done the same before 1945 to soften up for the invasion. MILLIONS WOULD HAVE DIED IN AN INVASION. Why cant you understand this.


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Re: Hiroshima mayor says world moving to war... [Re: Edame]
    #1789952 - 08/07/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Edame said:

Whitey's always keepin 'em down. 




I bet the other seals won't get eaten now.  They've seen what the bear can do....its natural instinct. :smirk:


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