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Burma on w.b.s going to coir (updated)
    #23360945 - 06/19/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Burma on w.b.s that's going to straight coir tomorrow morning...



Thanks to cirllo_h and spirit_shadows for their print donations...I'll be giving some away once they're finished :smile:



I have two prints up for grabs.... I'd do them all but I don't have much free time these days...

I'm still eating the first flush from the smaller tub :crazy2:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23360953 - 06/19/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

not bad, not bad at all :smile: congrats buddy, and good luck on the rest of the grow!


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: MycoLoopology] * 1
    #23360965 - 06/19/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23363481 - 06/20/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Here is this mornings progress....







I pasteurized the coir with boiling water for 90 minutes and left it to sit over night....squeeze dried it by hand and added the spawn...covered, poked holes and now the wait...I'm guessing 6-7 days at the ratio used. ... well, I'll have that my Co pr0n soon te-he ... :smile: :cheers:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23363491 - 06/20/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23363501 - 06/20/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23379685 - 06/25/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Update:

The bulk run is taking a little longer then I had anticipated but everything is otherwise fine and healthy....here's a pic from this morning.



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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23379753 - 06/25/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Looking pretty good man can't wait to see it fruiting


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Canc3r_Dav3]
    #23379868 - 06/25/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have holes for fae?


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Myko Fanatikos]
    #23379907 - 06/25/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hes probably adding them after it gets colonized, ive seen a few people doing that


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Canc3r_Dav3]
    #23380327 - 06/25/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've been doing this my last two tubs. Let it recolonize lid on no holes whatsoever.

When time to fruit, I use a sautering iron to burn the holes. Then stuff with polyfil. 

I've gotten my best flushes ever doing this method.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23380507 - 06/25/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

lol i never thought about using a sautering iron thats a good idea icouldnt find anyone with a drill for my tubs but i know someone that has an iron i can borrow, i need to buy new tubs for better more even holes


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23380535 - 06/25/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: spacechildo]
    #23380987 - 06/25/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I was going to manually fan it but I can't find the lid to the container so I will probably just end up using a heated knife to bore out some holes and cover with micropore tape....I didn't know how high 4l of wbs spawned to coir would bring the sub so I waited until everything was mixed....the sub is about 6 inches deep so I may have to do a double tub :smile:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23381693 - 06/25/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dang 6 inches deep lol i would have made two tubs with that much, im interested how the double tub mono goes, i thought about that method cause my tubs arent the tallest in the world but its what i had on hand


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Canc3r_Dav3]
    #23381699 - 06/25/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh. That's pretty deep... you may generate too much heat.

I hope it goes well :goodluck:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: dankington]
    #23386580 - 06/27/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So I'm in a toss up this morning....should I begin fruiting or give it some more time? I don't like uncolonized patches but I know it will continue to grow some more... to fruit or not to fruit is the question.
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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23386675 - 06/27/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Did you add a top layer at spawning?
If not, I would wait until the entire surface is covered.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23386685 - 06/27/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yup, there is a top layer.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23386687 - 06/27/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, but it still looks like it could use another day or two


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23386715 - 06/27/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, muchas gracias senior.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23386732 - 06/27/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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So I'm in a toss up this morning....should I begin fruiting or give it some more time? I don't like uncolonized patches but I know it will continue to grow some more... to fruit or not to fruit is the question.
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i like to wait till its just SLIGHTLY more colonized before i fruit. but personally i like it being less than 100% if using casing layer. more like 85-90% colinzation. where most clusters have formed together but many brown spots still exist is when i fruit.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23418634 - 07/06/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

[Update ]
Well, after completing my week ban I'm back to give some myco porn :smile:

I was told by at least 10 other cultivators that this tub was heavily contaminated with bacteria..


This is proof there is no point in arguing with people on these boards.... :shrug:

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23418670 - 07/06/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't recall anyone saying your spawn or tub was bacterial. Care to provide a link.

However your result isn't bad. Care to provide a top down shot and perhaps a wet weight and or BE when ya harvest for curious minds?


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23418677 - 07/06/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I guess you ignored all the parts where we wished you good luck...


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: dankington]
    #23418696 - 07/06/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol

No, not at all.

Thank you. It was in another thread where I posted a picture of this tub to reassure the other guy that his tub was OK. .. I'm happy with the results here....I'll get a better shot once the caps are fully open and post a final weight once I get home from work.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23418716 - 07/06/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Frankly just about anyone's spawn is going to have some bacteria in it. To achieve complete sterilization simply isn't possible for the home hobbiest. It's recognising when the populations are elevated that is important, allows one to make good decisions.

I think I recall that thread now, I only posted in it near the end. Its not looking too bad for that guy, he finally has pins. But it's definitely a bacterial tub, the good news is that he might loose some BE but I don't think it will trich out.

Anyways looking forward to the canopy shot.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23418723 - 07/06/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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[Update ]
Well, after completing my week ban I'm back to give some myco porn :smile:

I was told by at least 10 other cultivators that this tub was heavily contaminated with bacteria..


This is proof there is no point in arguing with people on these boards.... :shrug:

I'll be harvesting in the morning :smile:




Bacterial subs have absolutely no problem producing fruits.



You have proved absolutely nothing besides your arrogance.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418772 - 07/06/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like there have been a crap ton of bacterial threads lately...or people just really really worrying about bacteria. Or trying to prove people wrong by producing with their bacterial tubs. Then I've seen Pasty say over 100 times THERE IS BACTERIA IN ALMOST EVERY JAR OF SPAWN Yet, no one listens. :shrug:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23418802 - 07/06/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I should probably just give up. It's not like my grows are suffering lol.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23418833 - 07/06/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: You're a saint man...I don't know how you're so patient with people.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23418842 - 07/06/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't recall anyone saying your spawn or tub was bacterial. Care to provide a link.

However your result isn't bad. Care to provide a top down shot and perhaps a wet weight and or BE when ya harvest for curious minds?



YES. Please post weight and BE. Although with 6 inches of sub.. BE is going to be shitty.

And here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23391583#23391583


What a dunce though. Hybrid doesn't read anything despite all these people saying the same thing. Nice work proving what everyone said. Bacterial tubs can produce fruits. They just GENERALLY have a lower yield than what you could have had, assuming they don't go trichy.. Read SBJs post. 4th one down. It states that a bunch of people have had their best tubs from obviously bacterial tubs.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23391910#23391910
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23392311#23392311
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23398233#23398233
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23398508#23398508
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23398707#23398707
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23398724#23398724

But he proved us wrong! :facepalm:

Please Hybrid read the posts you ignored the first time that I just linked, then tell me you proved us all wrong. I swear this guy has a disability, which actually would be sad.. Still ridiculous that he thinks he's better, and knows more than 10+ cultivators. Especially when he thinks colonization in the dark is best, and that cubensis has overlay. 20 years of misinformation!


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23419102 - 07/07/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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[Update ]
Well, after completing my week ban I'm back to give some myco porn :smile:

I was told by at least 10 other cultivators that this tub was heavily contaminated with bacteria..


This is proof there is no point in arguing with people on these boards.... :shrug:

I'll be harvesting in the morning :smile:




Bacterial subs have absolutely no problem producing fruits.



You have proved absolutely nothing besides your arrogance.




I was being a nice person.... the information about bacteria (although informative) also triggers information overload to new cultivators....giving someone fear and paranoia that their tub is screwed is fear mongering.... I don't like when members do that to new guys with a ms grow.

All the information posted is informative but also determental to that guys thread....you even tried to convince me that my tub had bacteria contamination. .... then you post a pic of a jar fruiting alongside a bacteria contaminate which is useful to prove that it can still fruit in the jar with bacteria but it was irrelevant to a bulk substrate on its spawn run.....

If a tub is infected with bacteria then sure....post away about contamination but I knew that his was OK  (after I seen it colonize the suspected area) but yet you and others argued with me.

I know all about Archane bacteria being rendered dormant but maintaining a presence in grain jars but like I said....it was irrelevant to that guys question....and it wasn't bacteria issues.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419117 - 07/07/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I circled the parts where mycelium is reacting to bacteria. Bacteria in bulk substrates will look much different than grain jars. Grain jars are obvious wet spots. You can see that surrounding the wet spots though is thick mycelium that looks almost like cottage cheese, and even can colonize the bacteria, it will still look so thick and cottage cheese like. As seen here:


In bulk substrates you can't exactly see wet spots. Yes sometimes mycelium won't colonize the spots, and that's how you know, but not most of the time. You have to go off of how the mycelium is reacting (thick and cottage cheese like)

OP of the other thread:


Yours, you have much less bacteria, and actually looks pretty good. But it still has some. Just like most other substrates. As was said earlier by flabber
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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23419125 - 07/07/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



As of right now...

I also have a 68l Rubbermaid with 7l spawned to one brick of coir.... but I thought posting that would be excessive :wink:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419134 - 07/07/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



These all had a bit of bacteria too.. And they're just 1 pint spawn jars mixed with 1.5 qts of manure per tray. What's your point?
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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419370 - 07/07/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As of right now...

I also have a 68l Rubbermaid with 7l spawned to one brick of coir.... but I thought posting that would be excessive :wink:



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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419409 - 07/07/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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then you post a pic of a jar fruiting alongside a bacteria contaminate which is useful to prove that it can still fruit in the jar with bacteria but it was irrelevant to a bulk substrate on its spawn run.....




Explain, please. Because this makes 0 sense. A bottle is a bulk substrate.

Actually, I've learned to expect nothing but shit from you. I don't really care what you're ridiculous explanation is. You are a terrible cultivator and you are constantly plaguing this forum with misinformation and an extremely poor attitude.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419532 - 07/07/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I was being a nice person.... the information about bacteria (although informative) also triggers information overload to new cultivators....giving someone fear and paranoia that their tub is screwed is fear mongering.... I don't like when members do that to new guys with a ms grow.




so you rather tell them there is no bacteria and you make up stuff about overlay instead
which will teach noobs to scratch their surface if they find old enough posts? :rofl:

that makes no sense dude, we're here to teach and we dont BS people, we tell them what bacteria looks like and that it still can produce, that bacteria is NOT mold etc etc.

wouldn't want anyone to be here for 10 yrs and still dont know how to spot bacteria now, do we? :crazy:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23419875 - 07/07/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

People seem to think that a sub containing some bacteria is the same as a sub with nothing but a bacteria overload throughout 100% of it. I'm pretty sure if the mycelial network recognizes bacteria taking hold, not only will it release metabolites to fight off contamination, but will also speed up the fruiting process to kickstart the next life cycle.

I've had many tubs pump out fruits that were obviously contaminated with something. Shit, the forest is rife with nasties and mushrooms thrive there.

Congrats on the fruits, OP. No need to be a pompous dick though.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23419950 - 07/07/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People seem to think that a sub containing some bacteria is the same as a sub with nothing but a bacteria overload throughout 100% of it. I'm pretty sure if the mycelial network recognizes bacteria taking hold, not only will it release metabolites to fight off contamination, but will also speed up the fruiting process to kickstart the next life cycle.

I've had many tubs pump out fruits that were obviously contaminated with something. Shit, the forest is rife with nasties and mushrooms thrive there.

Congrats on the fruits, OP. No need to be a pompous dick though.




honestly i dont think ive EVER had a tub that was 100% bacteria free, but i like to think ive come close.

ime, the bacterial tubs do fine on first flush. its the second and third flush that tend to suffer. and 4th flushes are usually nonexistent if bacterial. just my experience though.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23419953 - 07/07/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't recall anyone saying your spawn or tub was bacterial. Care to provide a link.

However your result isn't bad. Care to provide a top down shot and perhaps a wet weight and or BE when ya harvest for curious minds?



:whathesaid: still waiting :smile:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23419962 - 07/07/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ime, the bacterial tubs do fine on first flush. its the second and third flush that tend to suffer. and 4th flushes are usually nonexistent if bacterial. just my experience though.




Makes sense. By that time the mycelium is getting weaker due to fruiting and whatnot, and the bacteria is still attacking and trying to thrive. I don't really give a shit about it, either it has bac or it doesn't. I just wait for that bright spot of soon-to-be-trich and toss it when I need to.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23420622 - 07/07/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People seem to think that a sub containing some bacteria is the same as a sub with nothing but a bacteria overload throughout 100% of it. I'm pretty sure if the mycelial network recognizes bacteria taking hold, not only will it release metabolites to fight off contamination, but will also speed up the fruiting process to kickstart the next life cycle.

I've had many tubs pump out fruits that were obviously contaminated with something. Shit, the forest is rife with nasties and mushrooms thrive there.

Congrats on the fruits, OP. No need to be a pompous dick though.





I was only being pompous to show every other good cultivator about how they appear while bashing me for giving 10 years of growing exp and advice....RR didn't like it when I argued with him about micropore tape (sfd's are ideal) but it still worked.... a difference in opinion doesn't make anyone a better or worse cultivator....anyone that takes the time to isolate out a culture on agar is OK in my books...here's a pic....just waiting another hour to harvest and a wet weight :smile:


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23420687 - 07/07/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's a good grow. Nicely done. Doesn't prove anything other than you can grow a box of fruits, but still some good porn. Let's all calm down and wait on the wet weight if OP will be kind enough to provide it.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23421384 - 07/07/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wet weight is
651.43 ....

Not sure what that breaks down to...


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23421386 - 07/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wet weight is
651.43 ....

Not sure what that breaks down to...



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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: HybridprX]
    #23421460 - 07/07/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wet weight is
651.43 ....

Not sure what that breaks down to...




Well that would dry down to around 65 grams.

For the BE, if you used 6 quarts WBS (straight millet is pretty heavy at 300 grams dry for what you would use as a quarts worth, so I am going to assume WBS would be a bit lighter. Rye and wheat are much lighter than WBS or millet, typically 150-200 grams dry) at around 250 grams dry per quart a brick of verm at 650 grams and 2 quarts verm at 100 grams each, that brings dry material weight to 2350 grams.

Assuming 2350 dry grams substrate and a wet yield of 651.43, your first flush BE is 27.72%. If you used more coir or verm or spawn than that, it will be even lower.

27% BE is pretty low, were a lot of the fruits hollow? The tub must still have a lot of biomass left then. Hopefully you make it up in the next flush.


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    #23421462 - 07/07/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

somes better than none :shrug:


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    #23421466 - 07/07/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23421502 - 07/07/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty egg head. ..but I love you guys for it.

From my perspective. ...the substrate hardly shrunk....it's still hugging the sides....a dunk will help this on the 2nd flush.


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    #23421510 - 07/07/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:nerd: probably doesn't need a dunk, especially if the sides haven't pulled away yet. Lots of water left for another flush.


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Re: Burma on w.b.s going to coir (been awhile) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23460336 - 07/20/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bump




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    #23460347 - 07/20/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bump



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    #23460656 - 07/20/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There be the missing BE. Nice haul :congrats:


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