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using coco coir as a balk sub?
    #4154945 - 05/09/05 10:23 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

possible? maybe mix it with a tad of straw?


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4154950 - 05/09/05 10:26 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Better yet, mix it with poo. I went with 50/50 poo/coir awhile back as a bulk sub...wow! It makes for an awesome addition to bulk substrate. I'd like to work with coir much, more more, it was an excellent supplement.



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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: Holydiver]
    #4155004 - 05/09/05 10:42 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Hey Diver, I'm gonna try a 50%poo, 25%coir and 25% straw.
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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: HippieChick]
    #4155008 - 05/09/05 10:44 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

That's cool HippieChick, keep us posted.  Ditch the straw and go for 50/50 poo/coir, hint hint. :tongue:


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: Holydiver]
    #4155059 - 05/09/05 11:02 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

diver, what did you spawn from with your 50/50 poo/coir mix? i assume the coir functioned primarily to hydrate the poo? or is it really -that- high in nutes?


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4155615 - 05/10/05 01:44 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

what about 50% poo 25% coir and 25% verm since straw kicks the shit out of me(im allergic to the shit)


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4155899 - 05/10/05 02:52 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

hm i have spagum moss , i hate that shit waste of money (contam farm)


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4155909 - 05/10/05 02:55 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

sphagum peat is different from other kinds of peat?


edit: nevermind, found my answer: sphagnum -peat- is what you need for 50/50 in case some other casing newbie was curious. just sphagnum moss is the wrong one to use, apparently.


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4155948 - 05/10/05 03:07 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

bum mer ........


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4155956 - 05/10/05 03:08 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

how did you prepare the coir for the substrate?


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: ScU]
    #4155971 - 05/10/05 03:12 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

coco coir is and should be any mushroom culters frist chioce verus peat moss as the peat moss has to be mined i think and when it is mined then it destorys that eccosystem i mean shouldnt we all be trying to stay 100% organic and 100% envorimently freindly


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: onetime]
    #4155987 - 05/10/05 03:17 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

looks like it's farmed, actually, and though it does cause damage they appear to try and repair it:
"Clarence (our local peat expert) helped us understand that while the surface of the bog is harvested every year (in some cases each year for decades), less than 1% of the bogs in Canada are tapped. In addition, hundreds of the local citizens depend on the industry for their livelihoods. And, when the bog has been harvested to the point that it is time to move on, the bog can be restored through a replanting with live sphagnum. We saw photographs of samples removed from a restored bog which showed remarkable success with this effort. Although it will take hundreds and perhaps thousands of years for the bog to develop enough peat to restore the bog to it's original grade (the bog is lowered a few inches each year during harvesting - sometimes by as much as ten feet), the plant life itself takes hold quickly. The pictures we saw showed a revegetated bog that had produced six inches of new peat in 25 years. "

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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4156045 - 05/10/05 03:39 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4156132 - 05/10/05 04:39 AM (12 years, 18 days ago)

mix with hot water ,and autoclave it ! or do it my way : add cold water and go ! no contams eitheir


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Re: using coco coir as a balk sub? [Re: liveby]
    #4157897 - 05/10/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Put horse poo in a big tub.
Add water and a shot of vegetable oil.
Add a few chunks of coir. Remember it expands to 7 times the size. I add about 20%.
Soak for 30 minutes then spend 15-30 minutes mashing it up with your hands.
Add Kelp Meal if you got it (optional), 1 ounce of kelp to 1 pound of substrate.
Add about 5% finely chopped straw (from a blender) (optional too).
Pour off most all of the water so theres very little.
Add about 10% worm castings (optional) and mix well for a few minutes working the coir and such in.
Add dry chunky verm, about 10-25% until the texture and water content is right. Its important to drain the poo enough so that the water content is correct.
Scoop into PP bags and secure (lightly so they can breathe) with rubber bands and nuke for 2 minute intervals, mashing in between until they get pretty warm..usually takes about 3-2 minute nukes in my microwave for 5 pounds.
While thats going on, get water warming on the stove with a thermometer to 165-175, then plop the bag in for 3 hours, fully submerged except for the neck.

Thats about as optimal as I've got. Add 25-50% spawn rate to that (WBS, rye, rye grass seed) and it helps out alot. Many recipes exist and any can work if you understand what your adding and why. A fiberous texture will colonize quickly. Hpoo has that already, but adding coir gives it even more of that. Adding worm castings makes the poo muddier, which is also why coir is a good addition. Verm helps with the texture to fluff it out a bunch too, but it also helps with water retention. Straw chopped well in a blender will give some nice strands mixed in like the coir. Not much is really needed since h/poo already has a bunch, but I think a few more peices not broken down so much help fluff it up too. I do not know if worm castings actually does anything or not...if I just removed the worm castings and put in as much h/poo, it might perform just as well...but hpoo isnt easy to come by for me, so it helps to stretch it out and has worked just fine. It is very high in nitrogen though, so its not the best to use tons of it. Kelp meal adds to potency they say but I have yet to test this myself...it comes from a reliable source though :smile: Ground sunflower seeds (small amount) and rye can be added when you add the verm too. Sunflower seeds add oils and lipids needed and rye is a nice boost too. A high spawn rate of a mix of rye and birdseed (with the sunflower seeds left in) and a bit of rye grass seed works out well too.

Find what works for you and keep mushrooms needs in mind. Just like people that need balanced meals and diets containing all the food groups to give us all the vitamins we need, so do mushrooms. Mushrooms love a mix of a bit of everything...some things more then others and some less then others. You just have to find what they like more and less and give it to them.


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