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Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir (update)
    #3906076 - 03/12/05 10:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I took about 5 LBS. horse manure and mixed it with coco coir; 75% manure to 25% coco. Much higher moisture content than normal because I plan to fruit with no casing layer. The texture came out fluffly and amazing, but now it's really proving itself. Nothing new here, but I thought I'd point out how effective coco coir is as a bulk additive. Terrific moisture retention not to mention improved texture. Everyday I am mopping up huge, excessive pools of metabolic waste off the surface; this is looking superbly healthy.

So, if you have the materials, play around with your own combination for bulk substrate.

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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906178 - 03/12/05 10:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nice job! :thumbup:


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: DK1]
    #3906265 - 03/12/05 11:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

No verm added in too though? I would imagine coir would be great for the texture, but I think verm would be far superior if you want to hold in moisture too.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3906447 - 03/12/05 12:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

No need for the verm with this one. I was also aiming for a 100% nutritional sub here as well. Coco absorbs the manure water nicely when soaking everything before final squeeze. The white lid pictured has 10 large nail holes punctured in the top--after 3 days of spawning the sub is glistening with moisture. No loss.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906505 - 03/12/05 12:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"No need for verm with this one"

This one, meaning with this mix...or with this particular casing because your going to do something special to it?

Why not try peat moss too? Its slightly nutritious and holds water better then coir..I guess it would require a buffer making it a bigger pain..or perhaps you feel coir has more nutrition?


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3906531 - 03/12/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Meaning: I just decided to go coir/manure with this batch and fruit as is. Mycelium tends to colonize coco coir more aggressively, now when you add manure juice into that equation, it becomes a nutritious extension of the base substrate. If I can eliminate vermiculte in my processes, all the better. I'll find out soon enough.

I tried peat moss off to the side, and the texture just didn't "mesh" with the manure quite as well. Coir + horse poo are an awesome combination so far. Hope that answers your question.

No rhyme or reason here, just trying something a little different.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906544 - 03/12/05 12:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Cant wait to see the pinset and fruits of this grow.

Actually I think horsemanure and coir are so moisture retaining that verm isnt of big extra use.

I might try some peat moss though in my EQ on straw which I will prepare 2morrow. And will buffer PH...... :wink:

Good luck Diver! :rhumbup:

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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3906547 - 03/12/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Actually I think horsemanure and coir are so moisture retaining that verm isnt of big extra use.





So far, that's precisely the case.  Thanks MF  :cool:


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906551 - 03/12/05 12:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nice job!
Its fun to play around with bulk substrates.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906553 - 03/12/05 12:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My mix is.

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My homemade mushroom compost (cow shit, straw, table scraps, old casings, yard leaves and grass)
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I like it.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906578 - 03/12/05 12:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Meaning: I just decided to go coir/manure with this batch and fruit as is.  Mycelium tends to colonize coco coir more aggressively, now when you add manure juice into that equation, it becomes a nutritious extension of the base substrate.  If I can eliminate vermiculte in my processes, all the better.  I'll find out soon enough.

I tried peat moss off to the side, and the texture just didn't "mesh" with the manure quite as well.  Coir + horse poo are an awesome combination so far.  Hope that answers your question.

No rhyme or reason here, just trying something a little different.




Ahhh, there may be no ryhme, but you definatly have reasons for doing what you did. 1) trying to eliminate a hopfully unneeded ingredient and 2) peat not having the texture of coir. Perfectly good and perfectly acceptable reasons, wasnt trying to pick your experiment apart, just finding out why your doing what your doing because I am interested in results..

Good luck and keep us posted. Some pics of the flush (when it comes up) next to some flushes you normally get off horse poo/verm or just horse poo, or whatever you usually use, to compare would be nice to see, if you got em :smile:


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3906629 - 03/12/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, you'll hear about it one way or another. I'll just bump this thread in a week or two. Birthing the entire thing within a day or two.

Final goal is to get away from casings. Were you around when Ryche Hawk introduced "Dung Brothers" compost? If not, I'll fill you in: It was as simple as tossing some compost in clear bins with holes drilled in the top and spawning with a quart or two. Occasional misting of the tub walls, no fanning, no casing layer, no vermiculite, no messing around with covering containers up. Worked beautifully, 2-4 ounces per flush in a SMALL tub. Pins all over the place, top bottom sides...it didn't matter. It was extremely effective.

There's no reason the same can't be done with manure, I think it will just take over saturating the manure and getting the correct moisture retainer. Coir may be the key.

Anyways, imagine no casings. Cubes don't need casings, we are way too dependent on casings.



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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906677 - 03/12/05 01:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've been wanting to do grain casings with no casing...I've had single quarts of grain that produce more yeild on the bottom of the casing with no casing layer, then the top. One particular casing had 12 grams on top of it, and 14 underneath, including the biggest shroom on the casing. Co2 and all.

Probably wouldnt have worked out as well as this will, wouldnt hold water as well (though I do mix verm in my grain) or be as contam resistant. Never got around to it though and I've decided to switch to bulk, so I guess I wont..

I wonder if this new compost stuff (or whatever sort of substrate it is) agars coming out with will have the benifits that this Dung Brothers compost did, that you are looking for? If its as efficient as he says it is, I would imagine you could get incredible results without a casing as well.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3906704 - 03/12/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I can imagine grains would be very difficult to pull off w/out a casing layer.

Not sure on Agar's new thing, I have no idea what the composition is like or if it is dependant on a casing layer either.


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3906948 - 03/12/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting, no casing. I did a clear container once and it had shrooms growing on the sides and bottom too.More surface area more shrooms. Got to think about this.Great work Diver.Keep us posted.

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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3907206 - 03/12/05 02:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Diver said:

Anyways, imagine no casings. Cubes don't need casings, we are way too dependent on casings.





I used to fruit off of straight horse poo with no casing layer.



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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Roadkill]
    #3971721 - 03/26/05 09:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The plan was to run a tray of 5 LBS. horse poo uncased.  At around day 8 I saw no change of the surface so decided to toss a very thin layer of 50/50 down.  Less than 2 days later it pinned.  Would it have pinned uncased?  Probably.  Pinset definitely suffered a bit as you can see, and I'm seeing some early veil breaking and other abnormalities, most likely a result of screwing around with the fruiting surface so late in the game.

Nothing conclusive here, except to stress the importance of a good casing layer (and not screwing with it at day 8!)  I told you all I'd update it one way or another, so here it is.  I'm not thrilled, but it's the cost of experimenting, hehe. :tongue:



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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: Holydiver]
    #3971734 - 03/26/05 10:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nice pics! Thanks!

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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: hammer_head]
    #3971784 - 03/26/05 10:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

was one of the pruposes of this exp. to see what additives would allow you to fruit well w/out a casing layer, or just to find a replacement for verm. as a bulk additive?


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Re: Fun w/ bulk combinations - coco coir [Re: psilocyben]
    #3971796 - 03/26/05 11:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Mainly it was to find a good bulk substrate the performs well without a casing, such as a high quality compost.


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