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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5379439 - 03/09/06 06:48 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think coco coir is worse than nothing at all. It does tend to overlay very easily, but nothing at all is like 100% overlay and I don't see that happen. After what I've seen, I would never use coco coir in total replacement of peat moss. I don't get what's the attraction to it really. It's more expensive than peat moss and doesn't work as well. I guess there is the environmental thing, but I am not convinced peat moss is really in short supply. The only thing I really liked about coco coir was the cool compressed blocks that are easier to store. I have to admit seeing that stuff fluff up five times is totally cool!


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5386037 - 03/11/06 12:11 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

What makes MG bad for shrooms?


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5387942 - 03/11/06 09:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I tend to like denser casing layers meaning peat moss based. Coir is so lofty the mycelium tends to run right through real fast. Im not keen on that.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5496410 - 04/09/06 09:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Nice experiemnt.

I use to use coir and always got overlay :evil:

I decided to try it in substrate this time...Due to how well it holds water and the possibility of it having nutes (lots of crossed-info. about it's nutritional value and such).

I was going to use it in a casing mix this time around but i've decided against...Considering that i've never used peat, I thought i'd give it a try. Just worried about getting the Ph correct.

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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5496871 - 04/10/06 12:00 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

wow , very good info here, all nooBs wanting to do casings should read this, wish i read it 2 weeks ago. Doh! peace<>


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5496882 - 04/10/06 12:05 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

If you cold shock the substrate by itself before adding a coir casing - it still likes to colonize it anyways?


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Zacharian]
    #5498553 - 04/10/06 08:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Zacharian, I didn't try that. I just use peat-moss-based casing now, although I am trying a new Uni-gro cactus mix one that is mostly peat moss based that I'll have a report about soon.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5500053 - 04/10/06 11:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

50/50 peat moss FTW


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Blue Helix]
    #7557768 - 10/25/07 10:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Just a bump to a very interesting thread.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7558259 - 10/25/07 05:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it's outdated at best, it's been proven time and time again coir sucks as a casing due to the fact that it contains nutrients and a casing is not meant to have any... It is decent as a substrate, performing especially well with additives, but is still no match for hpoo or compost.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7561933 - 10/26/07 03:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

here's some pix posted by oatman here showing
just how much coir 'sucks'





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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Hippie3]
    #7563203 - 10/26/07 09:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you clearly didn't read my post.... i said coir as a casing sucks....

coir as a substrate is what i use thanks to that very thread that those pictures came from...


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7565708 - 10/27/07 12:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

cubies don't need a casing anyway
so your point is moot,
even if it WERE true, which it isn't
quite.
PURE coir isn't the greatest casing material all by itself,
but mixing with vermiculite,
just like we mix peat,
renders any 'overlay' problems much more manageable.
besides as so many here are fond of saying,
bulk growing is where it's at,
and coir is a great bulk substrate material.
forget casings and cakes,
a big box of donkey doo & coir & some spawn
is all one needs.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Hippie3]
    #7566087 - 10/27/07 05:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i disagree with you about coir/verm as a casing the point of a casing as you know is to add moisture and it should not have any nutes which coir has, while yes coir and verm both hold moisture well, the fact that coir has nutes make it inadequate for casing purposes.

this thread was a question of peat/verm vs coir/verm as a casing and you went off on a tangent about substrates... peat/verm is an excellent casing and comparitively, especially for noobs and first timers with no clue which is who this thread is really for, coir/verm sucks...

i do agree with your point that bulk is the way to go and a casing isn't neccasary which i think IS a point that has some room in the topic of talking about casing cubes. unfortunately not everyone can handle going bulk...


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7568898 - 10/28/07 03:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so what if coir doesn't quite meet the strict definition of casing [no nutes] ?
that doesn't prevent it from doing the job , delivering water.
so as long as one can avoid
the Casing Rules Enforcers
it's all good.
you can quibble about what to call it all you want,
frankly coir doesn't quite fit perfectly into any category.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Hippie3]
    #7569304 - 10/28/07 07:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what thread did those pics come from???


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: KulTiVater]
    #7569426 - 10/28/07 08:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7574525 - 10/30/07 06:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Now you see why I said bump to an interesting thread. I haven't seen much lately about coir being used as a bulk substrate. This gives me some new ideas. I use horse poo, as it is easy to come by for me, but I have to be honest in saying that I don't like it. I'm just sick of messing with the leeching, storing, hanging to drip, ect. I just want to use something clean like coir, with the required nutes for a even, abundant yeild. Sort of a hydroponic to soil comparison in the green growing world. Casing I agree totally with the 50/50+. I really don't see coir as being a must for any casing, but if it's what you use, to each his own. There will never be a "best" method, because we all have different enviroments around us that are adapted in different ways. The wonderful thing about the shroomery is that ideas are being shared, utilized, and adapted so that we may all find better ways to use the things we already have or have easy access to. I know that since my short time of reading through all of these wonderful ideas, I have changed quite a bit about my setup, and because of this, have seen wonderful results. I also have to say that I am also spending less money per harvest than I ever have before with better yields. So no matter who's right and who's wrong about anything here, it all helps. Thanks guys-n-gals.


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #8705893 - 07/31/08 12:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

just wanted to bump this :-) very interesting. thanks bluehelix for trying this experiment and sharig with everyone. I enjoyed reading this thread!


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Re: 50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss [Re: tripchip]
    #8705950 - 07/31/08 12:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ya free bump this is great thread, so I think peat/verm 50/50 is winning atm!!


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