Jokeshopbeard said:

Too right man. I could do with more sex and yoga in my life right now. Or even better, mixing the two, tantra stylee. If only it was easier to come across..

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Just learn Tantra, it's what I've been practicing and it gets results,  it has shit to do with the kama sutra or any sexual yoga.....  and believe me i like my sex and drugs w/ wildly awake partners, they have nothing to do with one another, intimacy and self exploration trumps weird sexual yogic positions any day

Icelander said:

Opiates are great relief but then you have to deal with the rebound.  Ecstasy is also great but you can't  use it often enough and again the rebound.  Then of course my go to is deep relaxation with hypnosis cds. No rebound issues with this one.  I can get pretty profound relief.  Then hiking with my dogs and loving them up is great.  Playing ukulele, doing puzzles, listening to music, talking with empathic friends,  and on and on. Suffering is the human condition. Distraction is the treatment.

Of course the ultimate end to suffering, if you don't belief in afterlife punishment is SUICIDE!    I'm saving it for when the suffering overwhelms all my other distractions.

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The rebound from opiates are quite distressing, yes. But since suffering is an inevitable byproduct of the human condition anyways, as you say, I think the transitory serenity produced by them far outweighs the transitory comedown.

I think I've come to consider opiates as the most "spiritual" of all drugs. No need for pretty colors or abstract thought. Just a radiant blissful calm that transcends time, space, and causation.



I think I'm adding opiate addiction to my list of possible suicide methods for when I, like you say, feel "overwhelmed". 

CosmicJoke said:

Jokeshopbeard said:

Too right man. I could do with more sex and yoga in my life right now. Or even better, mixing the two, tantra stylee. If only it was easier to come across..

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Just learn Tantra, it's what I've been practicing and it gets results,  it has shit to do with the kama sutra or any sexual yoga.....  and believe me i like my sex and drugs w/ wildly awake partners, they have nothing to do with one another, intimacy and self exploration trumps weird sexual yogic positions any day

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presentusthefuture said:

Icelander said:

Opiates are great relief but then you have to deal with the rebound.  Ecstasy is also great but you can't  use it often enough and again the rebound.  Then of course my go to is deep relaxation with hypnosis cds. No rebound issues with this one.  I can get pretty profound relief.  Then hiking with my dogs and loving them up is great.  Playing ukulele, doing puzzles, listening to music, talking with empathic friends,  and on and on. Suffering is the human condition. Distraction is the treatment.

Of course the ultimate end to suffering, if you don't belief in afterlife punishment is SUICIDE!    I'm saving it for when the suffering overwhelms all my other distractions.

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The rebound from opiates are quite distressing, yes. But since suffering is an inevitable byproduct of the human condition anyways, as you say, I think the transitory serenity produced by them far outweighs the transitory comedown.

I think I've come to consider opiates as the most "spiritual" of all drugs. No need for pretty colors or abstract thought. Just a radiant blissful calm that transcends time, space, and causation.



I think I'm adding opiate addiction to my list of possible suicide methods for when I, like you say, feel "overwhelmed". 

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As I type this I'm on 30 mgs of Oxycodone.  It's the only  med that has effectively relieved the pain from this fucking polyneuropathy. So I get a double blessing from this stuff. Unfortunately tolerance develops so I have to bite the bullet and take less than optimal doses often and tough it out so that I can take a bliss dose a couple times a week.  BTW Kratom is really the way to go rather than pharmaceutical opiates.  I actually prefer the high. I plan on kicking and going back on Kratom soon.  At least for as long as I can.

But as you say and I agree. Opiates are very "spiritual". I really get into a full on loving head space. Lots of empathy for others and compassion for a suffering world in general.  I often think of many of my brothers here.  I wish for you all relief from your suffering and if I've had a disagreement with someone here that has left me less than compassionate I can usually forgive it when I'm high and forgive myself for getting caught up in petty grievances over some ego attachment or a need to defend myself if someone disagrees or even attacks me.  I've found that rather than a scathing defense of myself here it's better to forgive forget and actually listen to the other person's criticisms with an open heart and mind. There is often some truth that I may not want to hear.  Opiates can really help with all that shit.

presentusthefuture said:

Icelander said:

Opiates are great relief but then you have to deal with the rebound.  Ecstasy is also great but you can't  use it often enough and again the rebound.  Then of course my go to is deep relaxation with hypnosis cds. No rebound issues with this one.  I can get pretty profound relief.  Then hiking with my dogs and loving them up is great.  Playing ukulele, doing puzzles, listening to music, talking with empathic friends,  and on and on. Suffering is the human condition. Distraction is the treatment.

Of course the ultimate end to suffering, if you don't belief in afterlife punishment is SUICIDE!    I'm saving it for when the suffering overwhelms all my other distractions.

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The rebound from opiates are quite distressing, yes. But since suffering is an inevitable byproduct of the human condition anyways, as you say, I think the transitory serenity produced by them far outweighs the transitory comedown.

I think I've come to consider opiates as the most "spiritual" of all drugs. No need for pretty colors or abstract thought. Just a radiant blissful calm that transcends time, space, and causation.



I think I'm adding opiate addiction to my list of possible suicide methods for when I, like you say, feel "overwhelmed". 

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sudly said:

I embrace my insanity and walk the streets knowingly lacking in empathy or shame for the people around me.
I focus on my own happiness instead.
By being aware of doing so I feel at one with myself, my 'I' and my ego.

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I see nothing wrong here at all. As long as we don't hurt others physically, imo all paths are equal. If one is happy the world benefits.

Rebelutionsssss said:

i exercise and drink more than i should. i have problems with ending relationships and i just got left a short while ago so ive been doing a lot more of the drinking than exercising sadly. i still ride my bike around drunk a fair amount though.

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Icelander said:

I think you meant od and not addiction. Opiate addiction is hell. Its a "suicide method" in the sense that the withdrawal will make you contemplate suicide


At my age and physical condition I plan on being on them for the rest of my days so I don't have that big fear/worry which is a big drag on the high.  If I ever can't get them and Kratom won't substitute then I have to leave because I couldn't deal with a worsening of my symptoms and the withdrawal symptoms also. It puts the whole question to rest.

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