moonrockmushy said:

And I have nothing against people who criticize feminism, but this doublethink version of true vs. modern feminism is guilty of everything it accuses "modern" feminism of and then some.

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yogabunny said:

RanOutOfWeed said:

Do you avoid women who call themselves "feminists". I find them to be highly annoying and often project a very masculine energy that is a major turn off.

I assume they look for men who are major betas and want to be her butler/ gay male girlfriend.


They tell you they are feminists because they want equal rights and an equal status in society, yet do not consider that men and women are totally different creatures.

If you want to be a man hating  lesbian then by all means be one. Don't beat around the bush and torture the poor betas

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quick, stick your finger down your throat and un-swallow the red pill before you turn into a sadistic woman hating psychopath.



ps - happy to see this new exciting topic in the pube again!

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Cosmic_Flame said:

yogabunny said:

RanOutOfWeed said:

Do you avoid women who call themselves "feminists". I find them to be highly annoying and often project a very masculine energy that is a major turn off.

I assume they look for men who are major betas and want to be her butler/ gay male girlfriend.


They tell you they are feminists because they want equal rights and an equal status in society, yet do not consider that men and women are totally different creatures.

If you want to be a man hating  lesbian then by all means be one. Don't beat around the bush and torture the poor betas

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quick, stick your finger down your throat and un-swallow the red pill before you turn into a sadistic woman hating psychopath.



ps - happy to see this new exciting topic in the pube again!

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luvdemboomers said:

moonrockmushy said:

And I have nothing against people who criticize feminism, but this doublethink version of true vs. modern feminism is guilty of everything it accuses "modern" feminism of and then some.

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how so?

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moonrockmushy said:

luvdemboomers said:

moonrockmushy said:

And I have nothing against people who criticize feminism, but this doublethink version of true vs. modern feminism is guilty of everything it accuses "modern" feminism of and then some.

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how so?

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I mean mostly it is just a bunch of whiny people who blame others for their own problems, but I believe at least feminists are more genuine and that their passion is rooted in something I feel is worthy of discussion.  It is a defined set of ideals and I can formulate an argument around what ideas or practices best serve the vision of gender equality. 

When people start to say that is not the goal of feminism, that feminism is inherently dishonest and manipulative, I always wonder who that person is and what they're bringing to the table.  This is my opinion here, so take it for what you will, but I believe feminism has a long record of accomplishments and contributions to our shared culture which can be built on in honest ways, where the anti-feminist movement is nearly always being evasive, not saying what it really means, and stemming from the idea that women's role in society was better defined at some point in the past when they were unarguably more oppressed.

If that isn't the case, what is anti-feminism offering?  What is the action plan?  Is there any changes anti-feminists have made to the world that you could point to and say, "I'm proud to be a part of that."?

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luvdemboomers said:

moonrockmushy said:

luvdemboomers said:

moonrockmushy said:

And I have nothing against people who criticize feminism, but this doublethink version of true vs. modern feminism is guilty of everything it accuses "modern" feminism of and then some.

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how so?

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I mean mostly it is just a bunch of whiny people who blame others for their own problems, but I believe at least feminists are more genuine and that their passion is rooted in something I feel is worthy of discussion.  It is a defined set of ideals and I can formulate an argument around what ideas or practices best serve the vision of gender equality. 

When people start to say that is not the goal of feminism, that feminism is inherently dishonest and manipulative, I always wonder who that person is and what they're bringing to the table.  This is my opinion here, so take it for what you will, but I believe feminism has a long record of accomplishments and contributions to our shared culture which can be built on in honest ways, where the anti-feminist movement is nearly always being evasive, not saying what it really means, and stemming from the idea that women's role in society was better defined at some point in the past when they were unarguably more oppressed.

If that isn't the case, what is anti-feminism offering?  What is the action plan?  Is there any changes anti-feminists have made to the world that you could point to and say, "I'm proud to be a part of that."?

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I've never heard of an argument against feminsm that consisted of men blaming women for their problems.

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BlindSophist said:

luvdemboomers said:

moonrockmushy said:

luvdemboomers said:

how so?

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I mean mostly it is just a bunch of whiny people who blame others for their own problems, but I believe at least feminists are more genuine and that their passion is rooted in something I feel is worthy of discussion.  It is a defined set of ideals and I can formulate an argument around what ideas or practices best serve the vision of gender equality. 

When people start to say that is not the goal of feminism, that feminism is inherently dishonest and manipulative, I always wonder who that person is and what they're bringing to the table.  This is my opinion here, so take it for what you will, but I believe feminism has a long record of accomplishments and contributions to our shared culture which can be built on in honest ways, where the anti-feminist movement is nearly always being evasive, not saying what it really means, and stemming from the idea that women's role in society was better defined at some point in the past when they were unarguably more oppressed.

If that isn't the case, what is anti-feminism offering?  What is the action plan?  Is there any changes anti-feminists have made to the world that you could point to and say, "I'm proud to be a part of that."?

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I've never heard of an argument against feminsm that consisted of men blaming women for their problems.

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Then you are in denial regarding the substance of the anti-feminist argument

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BlindSophist said:

Formulate an anti-feminist argument that doesn't consist of blaming women for their own victimization by society.

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luvdemboomers said:

BlindSophist said:

Formulate an anti-feminist argument that doesn't consist of blaming women for their own victimization by society.

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where did I do that?

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BlindSophist said:

luvdemboomers said:

BlindSophist said:

Formulate an anti-feminist argument that doesn't consist of blaming women for their own victimization by society.

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where did I do that?

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You didn't. Nobody did. It is impossible.

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BlindSophist said:

I accused you of no such thing.

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moonrockmushy said:

So nobody is an anti-feminist here, they just blame feminism for causing problems or at least not doing enough regarding alleged preferential treatment of women in child custody litigation, and policies that supposedly favor women in jobs where men traditionally were the majority of the field.

Those are the core of the reasonings behind resentment of "modern" feminists?

Somehow I doubt that.

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zappaisgod said:

There are market based reasons why women make less money in many jobs. Like their likelihood to fuckoff and be moms and that their health care costs are way higher.  Do you know where they make more than men around here?  Real estate sales.  You see almost no men in the office.  Also stripping and prostitution.  Probably a few others.  What is most involved, though, is that they go into fields that any asshole can do, like social work, and they take fewer chances.

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