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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21864055 - 06/27/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)


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akira_akuma said:
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true



nice argument. so do you easily turn the other cheek to get wreaked by big penises or is it just for Prisoner's giant shlong?





just because I agreed with him that not all sayings are true, doesn't mean I agree with him about the original argument.


And its ok...ill get "wreaked" by pris's giant shlong(how do you know its giant :lol:) and you can continue to get "wreaked" by zappa's shlong.





I'm not shLong guys, I dont even see how you guys can confuse the two of us


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21864059 - 06/27/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You think women want to be treated like men, and that makes you want to hit them,



What?  I don't think he wants to hit anybody, man or woman.  I certainly don't.




Oh really, you don't appreciate that I assume that about MRAs based on my own personal prejudice?  That's interesting.  I'll take that into account when I next decide to measure again whether you have any credibility as a decent human being whatsoever.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21864081 - 06/27/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For the record, I in no way shape or form advocate hitting women. That would be fucked up.
But if feminists want true equality, when they hit a man they should expect to be hit back. That's equality.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21864097 - 06/27/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly.  Making women into men with no double standard whatsover or no shred of the values associated with femininity remaining in humankind is the ultimate goal of feminism :rolleyes:

I in no way shape of form advocate for female superiority, are you actually telling me I am not a modern feminist?


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21864104 - 06/27/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, that's feminism's call. I don't make the rules. I believe men should never hit women period. But that's just the male dominated patriarchy speaking I guess.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21864109 - 06/27/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And yeah, if you consider yourself a moderate feminist, you almost certainly are not a modern feminist, because they are cray cray.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21864112 - 06/27/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe men should never hit men period, but that is just someone who believes everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity regardless of gender.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21864118 - 06/27/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well that's where we differ. I don't advocate for violence. But if someone attacks me or my loved one, they are gonna get fucked up.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21864133 - 06/27/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe men should never hit men period, but that is just someone who believes everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity regardless of gender.



Just because I don't think you shouldn't be assaulted has exactly zero to do with me respecting you.  I don't but I am not remotely interested in assaulting you unless you do something really fucking stupid.  Like threatening me or my babies.  Dignity?  That is within you.  Either you are dignified or you aren't.

There is a diminishing pool of people who deserve respect and I think that your attitude is part of the problem.  Respect must be earned, not demanded.  It is not an entitlement and if you think it is I will think less of you


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21864147 - 06/27/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just used that to illustrate a point earlier. No I don't want to hit anyone, unless they physically attack me, then damn straight I am going to defend myself.
Just the double standard of how women can get away with hitting men without any repercussions or expecting to be struck back in most cases.

Society completely shuns men hitting women. Society laughs at women hitting men. That's just the reality.
Yes.. such a male dominated patriarchy we live in that is focused on systematic oppression and abuse of women.. where it's shunned by all of society to hit women. wot.
Even feminists use this argument that men cannot hit women. Yet they want equality. Hm. Gender equality means men get to hit back. That's real equality.

Feminists saying you should never hit a woman. Followed by feminists attacking men.


Reaction in the public to men hitting women


Reaction in the public to women abusing men


And another one all in the same video. First the man attacks the women.. everyone interferes. The same woman attacks the man.. everyone laughs.


And another


This is the double standard. Women can hit men all they want. Men can never hit back. Patriarchy!!!





wow that seems very sexist of the group of people to just assume that because he was a man, he deserved to be hit because he must have been cheating... Learning all kinds of cool  stuff about sexism today. thanks shroomism.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: nooneman]
    #21864336 - 06/27/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This is the real problem right here. These are real viewpoints in third wave feminism. I know that many of you support women's rights and equality, but neither of those things mean that you're a feminist. Third wave feminism, and I'm not just saying this, this is their real position, is not about equality. Most of you who self identify as feminist would be second or first wave feminists, and you would be rejected and hated by third wave feminists (who have built much of their ideology on bashing second and first wave feminists).

I also have a huge problem with people who spend their lives preaching to people who are already on their side, and then do nothing to change the real world around them. This is a major problem in third wave feminism (and academia in general). They spend all their time going from conference to conference railing against injustice to people who already support everything they're saying, and then they put absolutely no effort into changing anything in real life or real society.

Finally, there is this crazy idea that third wave feminism doesn't need men (or anyone else) to succeed. There is this real idea that if they just all get together and yell at each other loud enough for long enough that somehow the world will change. This is why they have terms like "allies" because they feel that they don't actually need men or anyone else to succeed. You can't succeed at anything by pulling together a bunch of people who already support your beliefs and telling them your beliefs. That's just crazy.



I think you have Third Wave feminism confused with Second Wave feminism.  First wave feminism fought for the right to vote and have equal political representation and inclusion in male-dominated institutions.  It exists today as liberal feminism or "power feminism" (think Hillary Clinton, or any number of female CEOs).  Second Wave feminism focused on the ways that femininity itself was disparaged in society, and sought to reclaim womanhood as something to be proud of and celebrate.  There were some second-wave feminists who took some rather problematic positions on trans issues and sex work, resulting in what became known as the "feminist sex wars."  These "sex wars" occurred within second-wave feminism, so it's not really fair to tarnish the whole movement over the positions of one side of that dispute.  Third-Wave feminism emerged out of a recognition of the need to recognize intersecting forms of oppression such as racism, classism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.  It is predominantly sex-positive, and seeks to call out the white privilege that exists in much of feminism.  So there are a lot of problematic aspects to feminism, and those aspects are continually being called out within feminism.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Silversoul]
    #21864343 - 06/27/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i have a question, if i identify as a women, and i hit a women, well lets say she hits me first and i hit her back.  do i go to jail for 'technically' being a man, even tho i prefer to be considered a women?


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Silversoul]
    #21864491 - 06/27/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This is the real problem right here. These are real viewpoints in third wave feminism. I know that many of you support women's rights and equality, but neither of those things mean that you're a feminist. Third wave feminism, and I'm not just saying this, this is their real position, is not about equality. Most of you who self identify as feminist would be second or first wave feminists, and you would be rejected and hated by third wave feminists (who have built much of their ideology on bashing second and first wave feminists).

I also have a huge problem with people who spend their lives preaching to people who are already on their side, and then do nothing to change the real world around them. This is a major problem in third wave feminism (and academia in general). They spend all their time going from conference to conference railing against injustice to people who already support everything they're saying, and then they put absolutely no effort into changing anything in real life or real society.

Finally, there is this crazy idea that third wave feminism doesn't need men (or anyone else) to succeed. There is this real idea that if they just all get together and yell at each other loud enough for long enough that somehow the world will change. This is why they have terms like "allies" because they feel that they don't actually need men or anyone else to succeed. You can't succeed at anything by pulling together a bunch of people who already support your beliefs and telling them your beliefs. That's just crazy.



I think you have Third Wave feminism confused with Second Wave feminism.  First wave feminism fought for the right to vote and have equal political representation and inclusion in male-dominated institutions.  It exists today as liberal feminism or "power feminism" (think Hillary Clinton, or any number of female CEOs).  Second Wave feminism focused on the ways that femininity itself was disparaged in society, and sought to reclaim womanhood as something to be proud of and celebrate.  There were some second-wave feminists who took some rather problematic positions on trans issues and sex work, resulting in what became known as the "feminist sex wars."  These "sex wars" occurred within second-wave feminism, so it's not really fair to tarnish the whole movement over the positions of one side of that dispute.  Third-Wave feminism emerged out of a recognition of the need to recognize intersecting forms of oppression such as racism, classism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.  It is predominantly sex-positive, and seeks to call out the white privilege that exists in much of feminism.  So there are a lot of problematic aspects to feminism, and those aspects are continually being called out within feminism.





so what you're explaining to us is that this feminist movement is getting
loonier and stupider with each successive 'wave' and that this 'third wave'
is exactly the problem that they claim they want to eradicate


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21864970 - 06/27/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
For the record, I in no way shape or form advocate hitting women. That would be fucked up.
But if feminists want true equality, when they hit a man they should expect to be hit back. That's equality.





oh cmon...that's just ridiculous.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21864976 - 06/27/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

bloody hell this has gone sour, they will be wanting the right to vote next.


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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21865073 - 06/27/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
For the record, I in no way shape or form advocate hitting women. That would be fucked up.
But if feminists want true equality, when they hit a man they should expect to be hit back. That's equality.





oh cmon...that's just ridiculous.




I do have to say something.  If you are going to use that we are a sexually dimorphic species anywhere else, you must also apply it to a man hitting a women.

This is why it is controversial in the UFC for a trans gender man to fight as a woman.


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