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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: cube talk]
#21863564 - 06/27/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Care to refute my articles before you go off claiming victory. Namely:
https://debunkingmras.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/debunking-the-mens-rights-movement-x/
One article. Lets talk about it.
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1. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than that of women’s. [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]
Not for lack of trying: women attempt it three times as often. [1] Researchers have found that gender differences in socialization is the strongest explanation for men’s relative success in suicide attempts. In the United States, for instance, it has been shown that unsuccessful suicide attempts are considered “feminine” while it is considered masculine to succeed. In other words, the fear of being labeled “feminine” or “weak” in a male supremacist culture encourages men to ensure their attempts are successfully completed. [2] The statistic given here also masks that many of these “suicides” were actually murder-suicides. In the United States, an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 people died in suicide attacks each year. [3] More than ninety percent of the offenders are men; nearly all the victims are female. [4]
Is this a claim you make? Shall we move on to #2 or are you willing to admit you are not actually basing this on logic but have hopped on some anti-feminist bandwagon who may not all be men who are insecure and uncomfortable around independent women, but there is alot of truth to that statement, like perhaps there is to the statement that much of feminism is not effective and not true to the core values of feminism.
We don't go making threads about feminism in the pub, I don't really advocate for feminism that strongly most of the time, but when you come in and start spouting lies and slander based on internet gossip you can fuck the right off with that.
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nice argument. so do you easily turn the other cheek to get wreaked by big penises or is it just for Prisoner's giant shlong?
just because I agreed with him that not all sayings are true, doesn't mean I agree with him about the original argument.
And its ok...ill get "wreaked" by pris's giant shlong(how do you know its giant ) and you can continue to get "wreaked" by zappa's shlong.
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Is it wrong that I want to punch her in the face? Cause I totally do, I mean Id probably just get some chick I know to do it but still.
Coming from the guy who was too good to piss on peoples shit. What happened to the whole violence against women bruh? You probably raped her (in your mind) after you threw that haymaker to that pour fragile bone structure (in your mind) since we men can rape without even pulling our dicks out I think you are guilty of both rape and assault buddy. Woman beater.
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https://debunkingmras.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/debunking-the-mens-rights-movement-x/
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1. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than that of women’s. [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]
Not for lack of trying: women attempt it three times as often.
No wonder they get paid less per hour. They are complete fuckups.
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1. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than that of women’s. [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]
Not for lack of trying: women attempt it three times as often.
No wonder they get paid less per hour. They are complete fuckups.
yeaaaah i remember seeing this story about some girl you tried to kobain herself and failed hardcore> face was a messsssss
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Feminists almost always resort to name calling, shame tactics and rhetoric to try and make their points, to try and silence anyone who disagrees. But that's just par for the course.
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moonrockmushy said: Care to refute my articles before you go off claiming victory. Namely:
https://debunkingmras.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/debunking-the-mens-rights-movement-x/
One article. Lets talk about it.
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1. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than that of women’s. [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]
Not for lack of trying: women attempt it three times as often. [1] Researchers have found that gender differences in socialization is the strongest explanation for men’s relative success in suicide attempts. In the United States, for instance, it has been shown that unsuccessful suicide attempts are considered “feminine” while it is considered masculine to succeed. In other words, the fear of being labeled “feminine” or “weak” in a male supremacist culture encourages men to ensure their attempts are successfully completed. [2] The statistic given here also masks that many of these “suicides” were actually murder-suicides. In the United States, an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 people died in suicide attacks each year. [3] More than ninety percent of the offenders are men; nearly all the victims are female. [4]
Is this a claim you make? Shall we move on to #2 or are you willing to admit you are not actually basing this on logic but have hopped on some anti-feminist bandwagon who may not all be men who are insecure and uncomfortable around independent women, but there is alot of truth to that statement, like perhaps there is to the statement that much of feminism is not effective and not true to the core values of feminism.
We don't go making threads about feminism in the pub, I don't really advocate for feminism that strongly most of the time, but when you come in and start spouting lies and slander based on internet gossip you can fuck the right off with that.
debunkingmras.wordpress... such a reliable source. " In the United States, for instance, it has been shown that unsuccessful suicide attempts are considered “feminine” while it is considered masculine to succeed. In other words, the fear of being labeled “feminine” or “weak” in a male supremacist culture encourages men to ensure their attempts are successfully completed. [2]" - Sources needed.
So, because women attempt suicide more often but fail... but men are almost always successful...and succeed 5 times more than women.. means that it's considered feminine to fail suicide attempts and masculine to be successful? What the fuck kind of retarded half ass logic is that? All that shows is that women attempt suicide more often for attention, whereas men actually do it.
So now we are insecure and uncomfortable around independent women? See the beginning of this post. I don't think you are really qualified to talk about how we are in reality. I hate feminism so I am insecure and uncomfortable around independent women? Ok bro. How many independent women do you know and do you deal with on a daily basis? I live with one.
The Men's rights movement is just a direct RESPONSE to radical feminism, which has infiltrated every layer of society.
There, I addressed your source. Now refute the 40 or so links I provided earlier, which you completely ignored.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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MRAs are always making absolute statements about feminists and then failing to recognize the language they use is hyperbole and should not be taken literally.
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Not everyone in ISIS is bad, just because some of them go around blowing innocent people's heads off and causing terror to the world, doesn't mean all of them are like that. You can't just lump them all in the same category bro.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21863768 - 06/27/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The VW bug filled with blonde women and shopping bags parking in my complex right now sure does look oppressed.... Those poor poor women
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Mescalean]
#21863779 - 06/27/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Women do account for 70% of consumer spending worldwide. So oppressed they are.
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Right. So... first of all can you please show me this thing about women not being equal to men in the first world? Because you would be right. Women are given preferential treatment OVER men in MANY situations. Can you give examples of these rights men have that women don't? How about these:
Parental rights:
In California and Montana, A woman can name any man she likes as the father, he gets a letter in the mail, if he does not prove he isn’t the father within 30 days—(suppose the letter gets lost by the USPS?)—he is now the father and must pay. He cannot contest it.
An underage boy who is the victim of statutory rape must pay child support to his rapist when he becomes an adult.
A man who fathers a child and wishes to take custody may have his child adopted out against his will and essentially kidnapped
Right of due process and Trial by a Jury of One’s Peers:
Men who are accused of rape on a University campus can have their right of due process and trial by a jury of their peers stripped from them. In place of it, they can then be “convicted” by the university if the investigating body believes there is a 50.0001% chance that the man committed the rape.
In addition, the accused is not allowed to seek any outside legal counsel, also taking away his right to an attorney.
men are also demonized as rapists due to unequal rape laws that favor women. when you analyze the situation you’ll find that women rape almost as often as men (about 40% of rapists are women) and men are raped just as often if not more than women.
In 2008, a law was passed in England and Wales that allowed long-term domestic violence victims who killed their abuser to be charged with the lesser charge of manslaughter, but this only applies to women.
Women who falsely accuse a man of rape, who would be sent to prison for 10 years if convicted, usually only gets fined or a slap on the wrist.
Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.
Secondly, I don't see so-called "men's rights activists".. actively fighting against and campaigning AGAINST women's rights. Feminism has been allowed to have all their speeches and campaigns and meetings, there isn't radical men's rights activist busting in and trying to silence and censor them But I see "Feminism" doing it ALL THE TIME against men... IN THE NAME OF FEMINISM. We aren't talking about a few individuals making mistakes or taking things too far. Here are just a few examples. I've posted some of these before.
Feminists protest and prevent a meeting addressing helping to prevent male suicide Angry feminists disrupt and shut down a forum for battered husbands Feminists don't want the government to help unemployed men Feminists against equal custody laws
Feminists want to create rape laws that exclude women from being charged with rape Feminists want to shut down female prisons Feminist want to make it impossible to charge women with rape Female felons should serve jail sentences at home Feminists launch campaigns to help girls ONLY in school, while boys are doing worse in EVERY facet of education. Feminists make sure the gov doesn’t spend money on male shelters or male research. Founder of Canada's only male shelter for abuse forced to close due to lack of funding before committing suicide. Feminists send death threats to Erin Pizzey for saying men need abuse shelters too Feminist changes her mind about "rape culture", when her son is falsely accused of rape. Feminist attacks a male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism
Extremist feminists stage a mock murder of man and then celebrate Feminists vandalize and attack a church Feminists say men cannot be raped Feminists against Father's day
Study shows that in domestic violence cases, the violence is reciprocal in almost 50% of cases, and in nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. But all we ever hear about is male violence against females. Feminists say men aren't allowed to talk about domestic abuse Feminists blame males for their abuse. [url=http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method 8-.pdf]Feminists cover up female domestic violence[/url] The primary aggressor clause where only men get charged with abuse. Feminist makes up fake assault stories Jezebel encourages and mocks men who are abused
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Patlal said: Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
Sorry, but you have been lied to by feminist propaganda.
That whole "women earn 70 cents to a man's dollar" myth that is constantly pushed by feminists is complete bullshit.
It does not even account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of almost vanishing completely
http://www.examiner.com/article/gender-pay-gap-is-not-what-activists-claim [url=http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf]http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf[/url] http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/more-career-options-may-explain-why-fewer-women-pursue-jobs-in-science-and-math.html The 15 fields where women earn MORE than men for the exact same work.
It's a complex issue, but it boils down to this:
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Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, that naturally pay more (93% of work-related deaths on the job are men)
Men are far more likely to work in higher-paying fields and occupations (by choice) According to the White House report, "In 2009, only 7 percent of female professionals were employed in the relatively high paying computer and engineering fields, compared with 38 percent of male professionals." Professional women, on the other hand, are far more prevalent "in the relatively low-paying education and health care occupations."
Men are far more likely to take work in uncomfortable, isolated, and undesirable locations that pay more.
Men work longer hours than women do. The average fulltime working man works 6 hours per week or 15 percent longer than the average fulltime working woman.
Men are more likely to take jobs that require work on weekends and evenings and therefore pay more.
Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization. For example, within the medical profession, men gravitate to relatively high-stress and high-paying areas of specialization, like surgery, while women are more likely to pursue relatively lower-paid areas of specialization like pediatrician or dentist.
Women business owners make less than half of what male business owners make, which, since they have no boss, means it's independent of discrimination. The reason for the disparity, according to a Rochester Institute of Technology study, is that money is the primary motivator for 76% of men versus only 29% of women. Women place a higher premium on shorter work weeks, proximity to home, fulfillment, autonomy, and safety, according to Nemko
Despite all of the above, unmarried women who've never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men, according to Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau.
It's hard to argue with Nemko's position which, simply put, is this: When women make the same career choices as men, they earn the same amount as men. As far as I'm concerned, this is one myth that has been officially and completely busted. Maybe you should celebrate International Women's Day 2011 by empowering women with the truth instead of treating them like victims ... which they're not.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Not everyone in ISIS is bad, just because some of them go around blowing innocent people's heads off and causing terror to the world, doesn't mean all of them are like that. You can't just lump them all in the same category bro.
What? I can't? Isis has a clear message and intent, as does feminism. Can I group all men together because they cause the most violence? Why not?
Not all men are bad, feminism does not state that, it states that men are equal to women. Women do not want to be equal to men in the sense that they want to be more likely to be killed, I don't want to be more likely to be killed either. Lets work together to fix that, I believe women have valuable input that is ignored because of misogyny. It's not a looming crisis to me, or the end of the world, but it's an issue I care about and something I feel is still relevant in today's world.
Did you listen to that "war on boys" feminist? Do you agree with her? Some feminists criticize her, but if you look at her videos she gets alot of support from thoughtful men and women. Why give so much attention to the bad aspects of feminism?
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Because they have the loudest voice and have enacted the largest changes in our society based on their psychotic demands. You are telling us to ignore them?
Third wave feminism most definitely states that all men are bad, and all men are rapists. Modern feminism has taken it even further. I think you want to be a 1st or 2nd wave feminist. Which, the modern feminists would hate you for.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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Yes, I am telling you that creating an equally belligerent parallel movement is only going to validate them and fan the flames. I wholeheartedly believe that fringe feminism and fringe MRAs have so much more in common than they are willing to admit, and are guilty of essentially the same exact offense of being brash and obnoxious. That is my point here.
I don't see why one is a problem and the other isn't, unless you're on one side or the other. I identify as a moderate in many regards, not a "modern" feminist which hasn't been concisely defined as far as I'm concerned. If you don't hate all feminists, don't come in and act like they're all assholes. It's insulting to what I consider a very worthy cause, which is why I do my best to refute the idea that feminism is nonsense.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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This should solve all the problems!

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moonrockmushy said: Yes, I am telling you that creating an equally belligerent parallel movement is only going to validate them and fan the flames. I wholeheartedly believe that fringe feminism and fringe MRAs have so much more in common than they are willing to admit, and are guilty of essentially the same exact offense of being brash and obnoxious. That is my point here.
I don't see why one is a problem and the other isn't, unless you're on one side or the other. I identify as a moderate in many regards, not a "modern" feminist which hasn't been concisely defined as far as I'm concerned. If you don't hate all feminists, don't come in and act like they're all assholes. It's insulting to what I consider a very worthy cause, which is why I do my best to refute the idea that feminism is nonsense.
And now you are perverting the word "moderate". Where will your perversion end?
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moonrockmushy said: Yes, I am telling you that creating an equally belligerent parallel movement is only going to validate them and fan the flames. I wholeheartedly believe that fringe feminism and fringe MRAs have so much more in common than they are willing to admit, and are guilty of essentially the same exact offense of being brash and obnoxious. That is my point here.
I don't see why one is a problem and the other isn't, unless you're on one side or the other. I identify as a moderate in many regards, not a "modern" feminist which hasn't been concisely defined as far as I'm concerned. If you don't hate all feminists, don't come in and act like they're all assholes. It's insulting to what I consider a very worthy cause, which is why I do my best to refute the idea that feminism is nonsense.
Ok. great. But you have still yet to show me what great things modern feminism is doing. You say it's a worthy cause and a positive movement. Show me. I asked for evidence. I've already shown you TONS of real-world examples of modern feminism trying to destroy the world with their actions. I don't see it as a positive movement. I see it as poison until I am shown otherwise. You'll have to excuse me, but I can't just take your word for it. Show me what great things feminists are doing to progress our society, and right all the wrongs that their extremist "allies" have already done.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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They advocate for womens rights where women are not treated as equals. You seem to acknowledge that women are above men in some instances, and maybe there is some truth to that, but you failed to prove to me that was the fault of feminists and not men or society at large, or that is representative of all or most feminists beliefs.
It is completely impossible to you that any woman in the world is being mistreated solely because she is not a man? I guess you're qualify that as within the US borders, so now apparently we operate under a different definition of feminism from the rest of the world? What would you call the advocacy for women? No advocacy for women specifically can exist in your mind and not be inherently unfair to men?
If you want to start a movement for men's rights go ahead, but I don't think the popular opinion of people who feel the need to do such things is that off base.
I get it. You think women want to be treated like men, and that makes you want to hit them, but you feel conflicted and frustrated because you think the fact that they expect not to be hit is sexist. I don't want to be hit either!
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You think women want to be treated like men, and that makes you want to hit them,
What? I don't think he wants to hit anybody, man or woman. I certainly don't.
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I just used that to illustrate a point earlier. No I don't want to hit anyone, unless they physically attack me, then damn straight I am going to defend myself. Just the double standard of how women can get away with hitting men without any repercussions or expecting to be struck back in most cases.
Society completely shuns men hitting women. Society laughs at women hitting men. That's just the reality. Yes.. such a male dominated patriarchy we live in that is focused on systematic oppression and abuse of women.. where it's shunned by all of society to hit women. wot. Even feminists use this argument that men cannot hit women. Yet they want equality. Hm. Gender equality means men get to hit back. That's real equality.
Feminists saying you should never hit a woman. Followed by feminists attacking men.
Reaction in the public to men hitting women
Reaction in the public to women abusing men
And another one all in the same video. First the man attacks the women.. everyone interferes. The same woman attacks the man.. everyone laughs.
And another
This is the double standard. Women can hit men all they want. Men can never hit back. Patriarchy!!!
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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Ahhhh gotcha. Yeah I knew about that stuff. It is horseshit that women get away with this with no penalty. I got an ex-wife and that was part of the problem. Monthly, if ya know what I mean.
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