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Bitter Cactus
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Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes)
#22229405 - 09/12/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you a feminist?
Just curious to see what people are gonna say.
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zZZz
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22229440 - 09/12/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: zZZz]
#22229443 - 09/12/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I asked the question.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22229448 - 09/12/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sure, I'm a feminist
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Prisoner#1] 5
#22229463 - 09/12/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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no. modern feminism is fucking insane. and before anyone says it, they are not a 'vocal minority'
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Adolin]
#22229469 - 09/12/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is albeist you fuckin nazi.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: MoxyOx]
#22229532 - 09/12/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a women against feminism movement if you haven't heard about it. 
I am for equality but am not a feminist.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22229548 - 09/12/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22229812 - 09/13/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think "modern" men have become increasingly whiny and many of them don't want to acknowledge that being a person who depends on a sense of superiority will only bring heartbreak and loneliness in the end. I firmly believe that, and I can sympathize on some level that people hurt at the end of this road, but that is life one man's fairness is another woman's injustice, and I figure if someone is actually a man and so superior they should be able to improvise and adapt.
I know for a fact that men can get by without dominating women, and I see how that is a rough journey for some, but that is not the fault of women.
It's just paradoxical to me. Whining that women need to know their place. Feminists are not tricking anybody, they are sticking up for themselves, which is something that American culture encourages in everyone, for better or worse. Nobody should have a "place", that is kinda the whole point if you look at the history of feminism. It's about emancipation of individuals, and people's gripes that this gets in the way of their ability to find a suitable mate or whatever seems so trivial compared to that.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#22229815 - 09/13/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you define feminism as the belief that women should have the same rights as men, yes.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22229846 - 09/13/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well when I go to a dictionary, that is what I see. I don't see the point in demonizing it, it's not really that bad. Like when people compare feminists to Nazis I have to roll my eyes. I consider myself a feminist because I'm more into social equality than the average person. Not that I think I'm better at it, but it is something I think about alot and the really thoughtful people who have made an impression on me in the subject of gender equality have been feminists.
When it comes to what goes on the internet, sometimes I worry that people are losing touch with that thoughtful side. I just do not see it with MRAs, no offense to any here, but that is my impression. At best they're clever, but it always comes across as conniving to me, like it relies on people just understanding from the start that feminists are usually obnoxious or whatever, which may be true, but being someone who takes it seriously I would prefer to see that argument presented in a logical manner.
When it comes to feminists you can say the same thing. Some of it is very misguided, but to pretend that is something men have figured out just now is totally ignorant of the ongoing discussions and differences within feminism. There is plenty of feminism I disagree with, but I can reconcile being a feminist with having disagreements with other feminists knowing that it is more of a general idea based on shared values than an organized group.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22229901 - 09/13/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do not call myself feminist, do not make any attempt to align with feminism as a movement.
The message of equality is important, but will not stand beneath a banner of equality that others condone as using for hate. Sure, not every feminist thinks men should be wiped out or disgraced -- however, prefer not to be associated with the ones that do use feminism as that banner.
Men enacting violence and discrimination against women is a problem. Women enacting violence and discrimination against men as a form of backlash is also a problem, and also counter-productive to the message.
If my efforts are going to be towards equality, would like to ensure that it is in the name of everyone receiving positive treatment rather than equally being victims. The point needs to be raising people up into equal treatment, not simply about inverting a power struggle.
Am quite misanthropic though, so perhaps my general disdain for social groups is more at play.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22229903 - 09/13/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy feminism is a joke..its just a bunch of immature girls getting angry at anything gossip girl and womens weekly tells them to get angry at
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: mindbodysoul] 2
#22229912 - 09/13/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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women arent human
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: Mad_Larkin] 1
#22229915 - 09/13/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, absolutely. The foundations of my analysis of society and politics is Marxist, so being a feminist is a natural and necessary result of that.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: mindbodysoul]
#22229921 - 09/13/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mindbodysoul said: moonrockmushy feminism is a joke..its just a bunch of immature girls getting angry at anything gossip girl and womens weekly tells them to get angry at
Are you sure that it isn't American culture in general that is often shallow and full of half-baked ideas? That's always been my impression, and feminism is one thing that is at least rooted in things I associate with integrity and progress.
I mean there is more to feminism than what you say, obviously, and this sort of half-truth that people seem to find so convincing is a problem to me on a much higher order than some coming-of-age feminists expressing a bias.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#22229928 - 09/13/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mindbodysoul said: moonrockmushy feminism is a joke..its just a bunch of immature girls getting angry at anything gossip girl and womens weekly tells them to get angry at
Are you sure that it isn't American culture in general that is often shallow and full of half-baked ideas? That's always been my impression, and feminism is one thing that is at least rooted in things I associate with integrity and progress.
I mean there is more to feminism than what you say, obviously, and this sort of half-truth that people seem to find so convincing is a problem to me on a much higher order than some coming-of-age feminists expressing a bias.
The HUGE backlash we're seeing against feminism right now in the US is basically the reaction of a privileged class being threatened with losing some or all of their privilege. Few of them will admit it. Most probably don't have the self-awareness to recognize it themselves.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: LSDreamer]
#22230173 - 09/13/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said yes but there are as many different definitions of what it is as there are people. I expect just as much from a woman as I do from a man. Not the same things but just as much. That being said there is a reason why they get paid less. They take more time off. Not all of them but most of them. Some of them are driven as fuck but most of them, when little Logan comes around, do most of the family stuff. It is what it is and I don't think it is just cultural.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: LSDreamer]
#22230190 - 09/13/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said:
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moonrockmushy said:
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mindbodysoul said: moonrockmushy feminism is a joke..its just a bunch of immature girls getting angry at anything gossip girl and womens weekly tells them to get angry at
Are you sure that it isn't American culture in general that is often shallow and full of half-baked ideas? That's always been my impression, and feminism is one thing that is at least rooted in things I associate with integrity and progress.
I mean there is more to feminism than what you say, obviously, and this sort of half-truth that people seem to find so convincing is a problem to me on a much higher order than some coming-of-age feminists expressing a bias.
The HUGE backlash we're seeing against feminism right now in the US is basically the reaction of a privileged class being threatened with losing some or all of their privilege. Few of them will admit it. Most probably don't have the self-awareness to recognize it themselves.
Modern feminism is no longer about equal rights, that's already been accomplished, it's now about special rights. That's what the backlash is against, women receiving special privileges.
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Re: Are you a feminist? (this question is for the dudes) [Re: qman]
#22230202 - 09/13/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought I was a feminist, back when I thought it simply meant that women should have equal rights. But then I got to know some hardcore feminists and realized how psycho they are. They don't just want equal rights, they want to force their lifestyle and worldview on everyone. You can't even explain something to a hardcore feminist. They will get offended. They call it "man-splaining". And you can't say "men and women" you have to say "male and female-bodied".
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