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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21859909 - 06/26/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont beleive in Feminism in a way the females are then saying they a greater that a man and they get treated differently because they dont get there way and take it the wrong way.
Men are men Females are females
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
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Men get harassed too but it simply does not occur on the same sort of pervasive, widespread basis. Women can expect to be harassed whenever they go out in public unless they are wearing some equivalent of a burqa. I'm telling you that I've lived daily, public life both as a male and as a female and I was never once harassed, never even SAW harassment when I was a male, but now that I am female it is a routine occurrence.
Again, nobody wants you to feel bad about being a male. Feminists just want you to help us by spending some of your strength and energy on rooting out and ending this type of behavior, or at the very least by setting a strong positive example. Blaming women for their own victimization and characterizing them as oversensitive, lying, manipulative and misandrist for honestly reporting their experiences is not respectful and it is not helpful. It sends harassers the message that you will be looking the other way and it tends to breed the extremist streak feminists sometimes display. Many women have been harassed and then ignored so many times that they have given up on men and learned to see them as the great oppressor. They speak of misogyny in grand, conspiratorial terms because that is in fact the reality they live with. I avoid that type of feminism because I've seen both sides of the coin and I know that most men are well-meaning but imperfect people who wish no wrong by women. They mostly just lack the level of trust necessary to sincerely engage with the issues raised by feminism, and this in turn fuels the radicalization of feminism. Feminism pursues equality, not superiority. It works better when men are helping, not hindering.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21859939 - 06/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So when feminists attack someone it is because they're feminists and not because they are people who may make mistakes or take things to far. I see what you're saying there but of course I disagree.
You also seem to outright deny that it is possible that an opposing viewpoint to feminism exists in the modern world that would state women are not equal to men and they do not have a right to speak up when they feel they are being mistreated by men. I also disagree with this and think we only have feminism to thank for the fact that women in today's world can speak up, and in many ways are less oppressed than they were historically in the western world.
I'm not entirely clear exactly when you think oppression of women stopped being a problem entirely, but again I don't think that ever happened I think it is still too often a problem.
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And I would like to reiterate, Shroomism, that you don't see casual harassment of women because you are a man. Harassers are cowards and they would be afraid to do something like that to a woman who was accompanied by a man.
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Like any cause, I believe it's a has it's purpose. Then again, the argument and gains wanting to be achieved must be A) Realsitic, B) Achievable, C) Adhere's to the current society, D) Cost effective.
Feminism is a good cause, it was gaining traction but then it fell victim to it's own popularity and the opportunistic extremist infiltrated one by one adding their agenda one small thing at a time so nobody would notice. Add 10 years and many small extreme arguments and you end up with what we see today.
Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
That's what happens when a movement has no leader and official spokeperson to filter the bullshit. It leaves space for all sort of idiots to go on TV and spew bullshit and then it corrupts the entire thing. That bullshit would be denied and the real idea would be enforced if there was a real leader
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21859980 - 06/26/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i honestly cant be arsed to go into a deep conversation
im watching GLASTONBURY
your all level minded and speak alot of knowledge Just ignore the ignorant we cant change there minds not a group of people
i wish we could show them the light
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BlindSophist said: And I would like to reiterate, Shroomism, that you don't see casual harassment of women because you are a man. Harassers are cowards and they would be afraid to do something like that to a woman who was accompanied by a man.
Honestly I don't really have to take women at their word to know there is sexism still in our society. I can't fully trust anyone who claims they have not seen a man mistreat a woman because he does not respect women as equal to men. Alot of the stuff feminists say might seem outrageous if you are operating under the assumption that misogyny stopped existing, or never existed in the first place, but sadly it does.
Trying to paint feminists as a whole as having some hidden female supremacist agenda is highly suspicious to me, and seems to stem from the conservative notion that regardless of what people feel is important in their hearts the fact that oppression of women exists is all that is needed to justify oppression of women. That is not misogyny to them, those women deserve the treatment they get because if they didn't they would be men.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Patlal]
#21859992 - 06/26/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We all deserve equal rights not just woman everybody
its fucking crazy that it still going on in this day an age
i agree with some words you say
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Patlal] 1
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Patlal said: Like any cause, I believe it's a has it's purpose. Then again, the argument and gains wanting to be achieved must be A) Realsitic, B) Achievable, C) Adhere's to the current society, D) Cost effective.
Feminism is a good cause, it was gaining traction but then it fell victim to it's own popularity and the opportunistic extremist infiltrated one by one adding their agenda one small thing at a time so nobody would notice. Add 10 years and many small extreme arguments and you end up with what we see today.
Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
Nobody deserves equal fucking pay.
You need to get paid based on how well you preform your job. If you do not preform it well, you don't deserve the same wage, end of story. Gender not needed in this situation. Equal pay is fantasy land.
We hired a girl fresh out of the army to unload trucks at Petsmart. It's a grueling 6 hour task of lifting 40 pound bags of litter and food hundreds of times an hour, bending over and restacking. 40 min into her first shift, which she assured us that she could complete she had to go home and we had to reposition her in the store, causing a lost of hours for other people and chaos because corporate wants you to hire people and do it 100% right.
She should of got fired for lying that she could do a job that she clearly could not do, yet due to these opinions about equal pay and rights, the company would get sued because taking action for their own well being.
It's not wrong to assume that a most men are going to preform better in cases where being psychical is necessary, but we are unable to have this conversation with out having some twist to destroy the feminine attitude.
The biggest complaint I see, and have seen MANY times over years is that there is no gender diversity in the tech industry. The pay gaps are hugely unequal and women are usually shafted.
While all that is true, let's take a look at a feminine world where guys are treated the exact same, even worse than women in the tech industry. Yes, the luscious world of modeling. Where the pay gaps are so extreme from women to men that it overshadows any figure you can present from the tech industry.
Yet.. it is not a charged topic because women are clearly not the victim in this case. It is the exact same thing any way you spin in.
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i've seen far more females mistreat males in my time than vice-versa, not kidding either. i guess i've had an odd set of life experiences in that sense
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Patlal said: Like any cause, I believe it's a has it's purpose. Then again, the argument and gains wanting to be achieved must be A) Realsitic, B) Achievable, C) Adhere's to the current society, D) Cost effective.
Feminism is a good cause, it was gaining traction but then it fell victim to it's own popularity and the opportunistic extremist infiltrated one by one adding their agenda one small thing at a time so nobody would notice. Add 10 years and many small extreme arguments and you end up with what we see today.
Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
Nobody deserves equal fucking pay.
You need to get paid based on how well you preform your job. If you do not preform it well, you don't deserve the same wage, end of story. Gender not needed in this situation. Equal pay is fantasy land.
We hired a girl fresh out of the army to unload trucks at Petsmart. It's a grueling 6 hour task of lifting 40 pound bags of litter and food hundreds of times an hour, bending over and restacking. 40 min into her first shift, which she assured us that she could complete she had to go home and we had to reposition her in the store, causing a lost of hours for other people and chaos because corporate wants you to hire people and do it 100% right.
She should of got fired for lying that she could do a job that she clearly could not do, yet due to these opinions about equal pay and rights, the company would get sued because taking action for their own well being.
It's not wrong to assume that a most men are going to preform better in cases where being psychical is necessary, but we are unable to have this conversation with out having some twist to destroy the feminine attitude.
The biggest complaint I see, and have seen MANY times over years is that there is no gender diversity in the tech industry. The pay gaps are hugely unequal and women are usually shafted.
While all that is true, let's take a look at a feminine world where guys are treated the exact same, even worse than women in the tech industry. Yes, the luscious world of modeling. Where the pay gaps are so extreme from women to men that it overshadows any figure you can present from the tech industry.
Yet.. it is not a charged topic because women are clearly not the victim in this case. It is the exact same thing any way you spin in.
Well that's the 1900s way of thinking.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Like any cause, I believe it's a has it's purpose. Then again, the argument and gains wanting to be achieved must be A) Realsitic, B) Achievable, C) Adhere's to the current society, D) Cost effective.
Feminism is a good cause, it was gaining traction but then it fell victim to it's own popularity and the opportunistic extremist infiltrated one by one adding their agenda one small thing at a time so nobody would notice. Add 10 years and many small extreme arguments and you end up with what we see today.
Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
Nobody deserves equal fucking pay.
You need to get paid based on how well you preform your job. If you do not preform it well, you don't deserve the same wage, end of story. Gender not needed in this situation. Equal pay is fantasy land.
We hired a girl fresh out of the army to unload trucks at Petsmart. It's a grueling 6 hour task of lifting 40 pound bags of litter and food hundreds of times an hour, bending over and restacking. 40 min into her first shift, which she assured us that she could complete she had to go home and we had to reposition her in the store, causing a lost of hours for other people and chaos because corporate wants you to hire people and do it 100% right.
She should of got fired for lying that she could do a job that she clearly could not do, yet due to these opinions about equal pay and rights, the company would get sued because taking action for their own well being.
It's not wrong to assume that a most men are going to preform better in cases where being psychical is necessary, but we are unable to have this conversation with out having some twist to destroy the feminine attitude.
The biggest complaint I see, and have seen MANY times over years is that there is no gender diversity in the tech industry. The pay gaps are hugely unequal and women are usually shafted.
While all that is true, let's take a look at a feminine world where guys are treated the exact same, even worse than women in the tech industry. Yes, the luscious world of modeling. Where the pay gaps are so extreme from women to men that it overshadows any figure you can present from the tech industry.
Yet.. it is not a charged topic because women are clearly not the victim in this case. It is the exact same thing any way you spin in.
Well that's the 1900s way of thinking.
Sure is.. The people with your point of view are people who are unwilling to be good at what they do. I find it fucking lazy to assume that you deserve equal pay to somebody who out preforms you in every way.
So, go fuck yourself if you want to live in 2015 fantasy fucking land you lazy piece of shit.
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So you think the trend of more women in the workplace and moving towards equal pay is not because women are equally capable as men in the workplace, it is because feminism gives them an unfair advantage?
Just so we're clear. Misogyny does not explain any unjust treatment of women, that is feminist horseshit women who were mistreated were probably asking for it, but when women succeed in traditionally male-dominated areas it is only because they were given an unfair advantage through feminism aka the female division of the Nazi party.
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What I am saying is, unrealistic expectations and assumptions are keeping us from having conversations that need to be had.
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Patlal said: Like any cause, I believe it's a has it's purpose. Then again, the argument and gains wanting to be achieved must be A) Realsitic, B) Achievable, C) Adhere's to the current society, D) Cost effective.
Feminism is a good cause, it was gaining traction but then it fell victim to it's own popularity and the opportunistic extremist infiltrated one by one adding their agenda one small thing at a time so nobody would notice. Add 10 years and many small extreme arguments and you end up with what we see today.
Its a shame really. Women do deserve equal pay
Nobody deserves equal fucking pay.
You need to get paid based on how well you preform your job. If you do not preform it well, you don't deserve the same wage, end of story. Gender not needed in this situation. Equal pay is fantasy land.
We hired a girl fresh out of the army to unload trucks at Petsmart. It's a grueling 6 hour task of lifting 40 pound bags of litter and food hundreds of times an hour, bending over and restacking. 40 min into her first shift, which she assured us that she could complete she had to go home and we had to reposition her in the store, causing a lost of hours for other people and chaos because corporate wants you to hire people and do it 100% right.
She should of got fired for lying that she could do a job that she clearly could not do, yet due to these opinions about equal pay and rights, the company would get sued because taking action for their own well being.
It's not wrong to assume that a most men are going to preform better in cases where being psychical is necessary, but we are unable to have this conversation with out having some twist to destroy the feminine attitude.
The biggest complaint I see, and have seen MANY times over years is that there is no gender diversity in the tech industry. The pay gaps are hugely unequal and women are usually shafted.
While all that is true, let's take a look at a feminine world where guys are treated the exact same, even worse than women in the tech industry. Yes, the luscious world of modeling. Where the pay gaps are so extreme from women to men that it overshadows any figure you can present from the tech industry.
Yet.. it is not a charged topic because women are clearly not the victim in this case. It is the exact same thing any way you spin in.
Well that's the 1900s way of thinking.
Sure is.. The people with your point of view are people who are unwilling to be good at what they do. I find it fucking lazy to assume that you deserve equal pay to somebody who out preforms you in every way.
So, go fuck yourself if you want to live in 2015 fantasy fucking land you lazy piece of shit.
Thank you for your kind words.
It's not always about the money. I don't give a fuck if the guy next to me does nothing and gets paid more than me, do you know why? Because I get to go home knowing that I did something useful. I know that if an opportunity comes up, I'm the one who'll get it, not him. I don't give a fuck if he can buy a flat screen TV while doing 1% more than what would get him fired. Its his fucking life. The company can toss him on his ass any time they want. If I'm the boss, I toss him out ASAP.
Its a matter of personal satisfaction. Not just money.
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Sounds right to me. Feminism is disgusting. The claim that it doesn't vilify men is just lip service. The culture of victimization mixed with hatred leads to modern feminism.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: DieCommie]
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How does equal pay good for a company?
It does nothing to serve the purpose of the company. All it does it make people feel comfortable, which is bad for a company in every way. People need something to work for, and it drives innovation.
Ohhhh, sooo sorry you can't feel comfortable everywhere you go. They have work for you that is equal pay with no goals, one of our fine fast food franchises is perfect for you.
Leave the hard work and real pay to people who want to work for it.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: DieCommie]
#21860113 - 06/26/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And what leads to the idea that misogyny no longer exists, or never existed in the first place?
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