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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism] 1
#21861011 - 06/26/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is that feminists don't get to define feminism, women don't get to define feminism, you and the other enemies of feminism actually should be the ones to define feminism?
At what point exactly did feminism become irrelevant? Who was the last real feminist in your opinion? I'm wondering since you said you agreed with the old definition of feminism that has since been relegated to dictionaries.
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why don't you look at some of the links shroomism provided and then you will see how modern day feminism is a cancer
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but surely enough feminists don't like to look at facts or do research so your just gonna dispute his claims without looking at both sides
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Like I said, I'm not prepared for that. I've seen all of Shroomisms links before. If I can find misbehavior exhibited by men who don't respect women as equals or MRAs will you guys shut up? How many examples will satisfy you?
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mindbodysoul said: why don't you look at some of the links shroomism provided and then you will see how modern day feminism is a cancer
i did once. seriously. took like hours to do, but i did it once...i even agreed with shroomism on a few points, and then again, i gave my valid reasoning and questioning (and did not pander, only asked shroomism what he thought on certain particular's openly) and you know what happened? i wasted my time, because shroomism apparently was busy with "real life" and didn't have time to address anything i said.
really wish i saved that thread. you know, i found it before, to show shroomism, but he ignored me again. now it's lost forever...my big ass long meandering post's trying to discuss his links...so wtf mate?
remember shroomism? when you posted about school's (which i agreed with) and you posted those parody video's of the little girl preaching to the camera about how her mom told her to read these lines and that everything was contradictory. i found the contradiction's in her words, myself...man hour's spent just addressing everything you said...for nothing. remember shroomykins?
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i am not disputing that man don't commit acts of sexism just saying that women are just as bad
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they're probably just reacting to childish petulance like most of this thread. feminism IN EFFECT!
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which just means there's more than feminist's complicit in the petulance.
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It's really wrong to paint all feminism with the same brush, there are many different schools. By definition feminism seeks to achieve gender equality, and agree that women need to be lifted up to reach a place in society that gives them equal freedom and social and economic capacity as men.
Different schools of feminism disagree on: -whether gender differences between male and female should exist at all. Radical feminism says that all gender differences are artificial constructs of the patriarchy, but most feminists, including myself, think radical feminism is wacky and counterintuitively oppressive to women. -just how much emancipation and lifting up women actually need -whether sex workers and trans women should be catered to as equals or stigmatized and excluded from women's spaces -whether pornography is always oppressive to women or if it can sometimes be empowering -the degree to which feminists should work on solving forms of oppression that intersect with sexism, i.e. racism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia
The attitude of mainstream feminism regarding these issues has changed dramatically over the decades and the feminism of today has very little to do with, say, the feminism of the 80's. Third-wave feminism is heavily critical of second-wave feminism, often considering it oppressive to both women and men.
There are more differences than similarities between the different schools of feminism, and most posts I see on the shroomery on the subject oversimplify and dramatize the whole subject to a ludicrously inaccurate degree, portraying feminism as a powerful and monolithic lobby that seeks to enslave men when in fact feminists spend even more time disagreeing with one another as to how equality should be pursued and achieved than they do supposedly stifling men's rights.
Like seriously, Shroomism, you seem a decent guy, so your hardcore antifeminism is kinda confusing to me... you shouldn't have any problem with feminism as a general movement if you generally care about the welfare of women. If you have problems with specific sub-movements of feminism or particular individual feminists, welcome to the club, there are some real assholes out there who do terrible stuff in the name of "feminism". But you'd do much better to critique their actions individually than making incoherent generalizations about feminism as a whole.
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Is it just me or do people like to bitch about the simplest things that makes us exactly what we are, animals (yes, scientifically, no matter how religious or full of yourself you are you are an animal).
This being said we carry animalistic traits such as the desire to breed. A poster earlier said "I wish there could be small talk with women with no underlying thoughts or sexual desires" sorry bud but that's your body carrying out it's biological purpose. Telling you to inject your dna into someone else. If your body doesn't tell you these things then you really serve no purpose to the continuation of the species.
On a side note as well I've noticed every place I work women openly joke about sexual topics and everything is okay yet every guy in the place feels like they are walking on shards of glass when making jokes. Why is it okay for a woman to make a penis joke to a man (because if the man complains hes a pussy or a gay?) yet if a man makes one to a woman he could be in some serious shit if she wanted to make a big deal. Imo women wake themselves out the be the victim way more often then men do. Possibly stemming from gender roles society places on people? (men sucks it up women are dainty and delicate) but i can't say for certain what I think of that.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Mescalean]
#21861163 - 06/26/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay for your animalistic mind
I mean as in
you know you meet random guy on street
you talk to him yes
have laugh yes?
now do with women
congrats you can think of more things in life then spray sperm all over
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Beanhead]
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who's frank zappa
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BlindSophist said: It's really wrong to paint all feminism with the same brush, there are many different schools. By definition feminism seeks to achieve gender equality, and agree that women need to be lifted up to reach a place in society that gives them equal freedom and social and economic capacity as men.
Different schools of feminism disagree on: -whether gender differences between male and female should exist at all. Radical feminism says that all gender differences are artificial constructs of the patriarchy, but most feminists, including myself, think radical feminism is wacky and counterintuitively oppressive to women. -just how much emancipation and lifting up women actually need -whether sex workers and trans women should be catered to as equals or stigmatized and excluded from women's spaces -whether pornography is always oppressive to women or if it can sometimes be empowering -the degree to which feminists should work on solving forms of oppression that intersect with sexism, i.e. racism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia
The attitude of mainstream feminism regarding these issues has changed dramatically over the decades and the feminism of today has very little to do with, say, the feminism of the 80's. Third-wave feminism is heavily critical of second-wave feminism, often considering it oppressive to both women and men.
There are more differences than similarities between the different schools of feminism, and most posts I see on the shroomery on the subject oversimplify and dramatize the whole subject to a ludicrously inaccurate degree, portraying feminism as a powerful and monolithic lobby that seeks to enslave men when in fact feminists spend even more time disagreeing with one another as to how equality should be pursued and achieved than they do supposedly stifling men's rights.
Like seriously, Shroomism, you seem a decent guy, so your hardcore antifeminism is kinda confusing to me... you shouldn't have any problem with feminism as a general movement if you generally care about the welfare of women. If you have problems with specific sub-movements of feminism or particular individual feminists, welcome to the club, there are some real assholes out there who do terrible stuff in the name of "feminism". But you'd do much better to critique their actions individually than making incoherent generalizations about feminism as a whole.
"you shouldn't have any problem with feminism as a general movement if you generally care about the welfare of women"
Maybe he also cares about the welfare of men!! Yes, a man caring about his own sex because males are getting the shorter end of the stick due to feminism.
Don't get a woman mad at you today, she can accuse you of sexual harassment, sexual assault, stalking, and it's now a case of guilty until proven innocent for the man.
Even when the man proves all the allegations are false and his career and life has been ruined, the female that made the false claims suffers no legal or monetary implications, please tell us what is "equal" about this new reality?
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: Shroomism]
#21861228 - 06/26/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the real problem right here. These are real viewpoints in third wave feminism. I know that many of you support women's rights and equality, but neither of those things mean that you're a feminist. Third wave feminism, and I'm not just saying this, this is their real position, is not about equality. Most of you who self identify as feminist would be second or first wave feminists, and you would be rejected and hated by third wave feminists (who have built much of their ideology on bashing second and first wave feminists).
I also have a huge problem with people who spend their lives preaching to people who are already on their side, and then do nothing to change the real world around them. This is a major problem in third wave feminism (and academia in general). They spend all their time going from conference to conference railing against injustice to people who already support everything they're saying, and then they put absolutely no effort into changing anything in real life or real society.
Finally, there is this crazy idea that third wave feminism doesn't need men (or anyone else) to succeed. There is this real idea that if they just all get together and yell at each other loud enough for long enough that somehow the world will change. This is why they have terms like "allies" because they feel that they don't actually need men or anyone else to succeed. You can't succeed at anything by pulling together a bunch of people who already support your beliefs and telling them your beliefs. That's just crazy.
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Re: Feminism, why?????? [Re: nooneman] 1
#21861240 - 06/26/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm fourth wave motherfucker everybody has been a woman since 1993 you just haven't caught on yet.
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BlindSophist said: Like seriously, Shroomism, you seem a decent guy, so your hardcore antifeminism is kinda confusing to me... you shouldn't have any problem with feminism as a general movement if you generally care about the welfare of women. If you have problems with specific sub-movements of feminism or particular individual feminists, welcome to the club, there are some real assholes out there who do terrible stuff in the name of "feminism". But you'd do much better to critique their actions individually than making incoherent generalizations about feminism as a whole.
If it was just a small sub-section of feminism that did it, I would address that. But this attitude has become the mainstream of modern feminism. It isn't just a few select individuals. I find it extremely difficult to find modern feminists who aren't complete hypocrites and don't constantly espouse this mentality. If you have some examples of sensible modern 'feminists' who champion true equality among the sexes.. I would really love to see them. Because most of the egalitarian people who push for REAL equality, are labelled as MRAs. Case in point: Karen Straughan, Dianna Davison, Dr Helen Smith, etc. Notice I mentioned all females, because men aren't taken seriously when talking about equality. Watch a few of their videos. The modern feminist agenda is to push for special treatment by constantly regurgitating made up or doctored 'facts', ignore any facts that contradict their myths and denounce everything as part of the "patriarchy". Then if you disagree or present a different argument, you are just labeled and written off as a misogynistic woman hater. Modern feminism - is the patriarchy in lipstick.
Modern feminists... make a huge stink about "gamergate".. publicly shame and make a well respected scientist who just achieved a monumental scientific achievement... break down into tears over a shirt he wore, that a chick made for him.. and campaign against men's rights.. Meanwhile all over Europe... a huge ongoing Muslim gang rape ring is uncovered.. and feminists are completely silent on the issue. Why is that? They are constantly going on and on and on about "rape culture epidemic"... going on and on and on about the "1 in 4 women are raped" MYTH.. but when a REAL instance of systematic rape is exposed, they are completely silent. Because it doesn't fit their narrative of the white male oppressor that is the Patriarchy, they cant criticize minorities over fears of offending ‘multicultural’ sensitivities. Instead, lets focus all our energy on attacking video games as supporting the patriarchy. Hypocrisy... Hypocrisy everywhere.
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