ShiVersblood said:

Lots of airplane pilots say sometimes when they are flying airplane directly upwards toward the sky that they are able to reach up and touch the face of god.

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SleepyE said:

MarkostheGnostic said:

SleepyE said:

binary?

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Undefined.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

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"Blackholes are where God divided by Zero."


so everytime i have a level 5 psychdelic experience, God is dividing me by zero.

wouldnt that mean im unity?

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SleepyE said:

Or could zero and infinity represent binary on off?

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Ellis Dee said:

ShiVersblood said:

Lots of airplane pilots say sometimes when they are flying airplane directly upwards toward the sky that they are able to reach up and touch the face of god.

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I never heard a pilot say that. But I heard Ronald Reagan say that about the challenger 7. That "they slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God".

Fuck Reagan. He never had an original thought as president, he only became the mouthpiece of his Republican Wall Street economic advisors. Reagan certainly never had the soul of a poet as John Magee, who originated the line you quoted: http://www.skygod.com/quotes/highflight.html

MarkostheGnostic said:

Fuck Reagan. He never had an original thought as president, he only became the mouthpiece of his Republican Wall Street economic advisors.

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I never knew you were so full of vitriol, and for so great an American...



Reagan had speech writers like all politicians in high office, but he also wrote a lot of his own material.

caman said:

God is nature.

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You may worship anything you choose to, but nature is not The Transcendental Mystery. Nature is 'physics' in Greek, and The Mystery from which physics arose is a metaphysical Reality - THAT which is ontologically prior to physics.

Quote:

Self (Paramatman) is "One, Indivisible, Infinite and Eternal". This Self is the
innermost self of each one of us. It is the sole Creator of the universe and of
the world and beings which inhabit it. This creation is created and exists
only in imagination in the mind of Self – it has no real existence. But Self
identifying itself with its imaginary creation deludes itself that it is actor, and
experiences the resultant pleasures and pain of action.

In the world of men, according to the shape and colour of the physical form
it has assumed, to the degree of energy that activates form and the quality of
mind that informs it, Self identifies itself with a particular race and
people and period and culture as being a man or woman having strength or
weakness, beauty or plain-ness, industry or laziness, success or failure. It
indulges in psychological subterfuge at all levels in order to augment or
diminish its own impressions or its particular identifications and it views all
forms and conditions in the light of these particularized impressions.
What is called the everyday life of a man, is Self identified with a
particular form–which has no existence except in its own imagination
experiencing through expression (and in experiencing, exhausting) a certain
fund of impressions, and acquiring a fresh stock; from which experiencing it
retreats or escapes each night in sleep only to be Awakened the next morning
by these impressions clamouring for expression.

The consciousness of the majority of us may be likened to one, removed to
a distant place, closing his eyes and vividly picturing re-association with
family or friends, the picturing being so vivid that for he moment he imagines
he is actually and really with them. When he opens his eyes again, he opens
them on to the scene of his present surroundings—the persons and place of his
picturization have vanished. In the same way does Self, closing its eyes to its
own boundlessness in which it enjoys absolute power, knowledge and bliss,
experiencing as real the worlds of its own imaginary creation.

To use another figure: the eye can see everything before it but cannot see
itself. When a mirror is placed between it and what it has been seeing, it sees
only itself — it cannot see any of the things it has been seeing. Similarly, when
Self "looks out" on its creation it sees only this creation (which its imagination
has created) and it does not see itself. But when it looks at itself in the mirror
of Truth it sees itself, and creation disappears. In imagination creation existed; in Reality
it has no existence.
Self, in us, remains entranced with its imaginative creation; yet, at the
same time, because of its continual frustration through the experience of
limitation and because of the ceaselessly changing conditions of its
environments it exerts itself to break through the boundaries of limitation and
to stabilize conditions so that it will enjoy a somewhat permanent well-being.
However, the permanent solution of the "problem of life" cannot be
found in the success of attempts to "push back" the physical limits
obstructing knowledge or in controlling those factors that determine the
conditions of living, because, even granting success, consciousness will still
not be emancipated from the domain of its own imagination — and its
resultant frustrations will be merely of a different order. That is granting
success, whereas in actual fact, success can never be achieved because the
very minds of those attempting a solution along these lines are also only the
product of imagination. It can never be anything more than the unreal
trying to solve the unreal, or the dreamer trying to understand the riddle of his
own dreaming. The only lasting solution can be only by Self (which is
none other than the real self in each of us) disillusioning itself from its own
false imagination and realizing in experience its natural condition of
Unlimitedness and Unchangingness.

If this is objected to as being "escapism" or "denial", I reply that since, as
shown above, everyone of us each night seeks, with varying success, to
escape both from the successes and failures of the day, and since our very
programs of progress demand for their carrying out a denial of fundamental
liberties both for ourselves and for the peoples these progresses would encircle
or crush, the use of the words "escapism" and "denial" becomes absurd.
Escape and denial consists in the refusal to correctly ascertain the structure
and constitution of the world and Man (and such ascertainment is within
the reach of all) and to draft proposed solutions upon the basis of
undeniable fact. This is a real denial of intellect and an escape from the
conclusion which its relentless use — the unswerving application of the
method of science and the unflinching pursuit of art — would force us to
accept.

True humanity, and the only possible ground of brotherhood, lies in
the recognition that Self is One and is the only Existent Being. In the
pursuit of the realization that one is that One, lies the only solution to the
"problem of life".

Escape is certainly to be longed for and planned and worked
towards — escape from the prison of aggressive wanting engendered by our
ignorance of truth; denial is certainly to be practised — denial of the false
self for the true Self. Self and self cannot live together: either Self is denied
for self; or self must be denied for Self. Our superstitions and false freedoms
already brand us as escapists and deniers; it becomes us now if we would
maintain any semblance of manhood to deny the supremacy of ignorance and
escape from the bondage of ourselves.

It is, I think, commonly accepted that the slave is the last one to revolt
and attempt his own emancipation from slavery. He has to be roused to action
and awakened to the fact that he can obtain a vastly better condition by
those who, being outside his conditions of misery, are moved by feelings of
humanity or compassion and have the intellectual equipment to fight those
responsible for and controlling the enslavement.
The supreme Arouser and Awakener is known as the Avatar, the
Messenger, the Christ. He is Self completely and perfectly aware of himself as
Self. Because of his compassion for men he directly and voluntarily assumes
human form for the relief and emancipation of all humanity from its
enslavement by greeds and passions and its self-imposed oppressions and
misery.

Since Self is One, indivisible and never two and Manyness is an
appearance only, it necessarily follows that Avatar, who is that one,
indivisible Self, is the actual real self of the apparent many individual
selves of us. It also necessarily follows that since Avatar is that Self
knowingly by having experienced and overcome the illusion of apparent
appearance, and is not an apparent self subject to illusion, his
consciousness cannot in any way become entangled in the seeming creation
and thereby diminished by his assumption of form since this assuming is the
voluntary outcome of his own free will.
The stress and havoc and cry of our times has "brought down" or
brought into actuality for us this Avatar.

The prerequisite for His help, this time no less than when He was
called Jesus or Krishna, is surrenderance. Modern man, cheated of the
fellowship which his "democracy" promised and forced more and more to
surrender to authority which betrays and even threatens to exterminate him,
becomes alarmed when faced with the idea of further, even total,
surrenderance; and because alarmed, assumes a disdain and even contempt
for those who have had the courage to make this surrender. We have long
forgotten that democracy is based upon surrenderance — surrenderance to
one another in gentleness, to the humanity of ourselves in trust, to the
ideal of Self in natural enthusiasm — and we have become essentially
aggressive. We have become cowards making out we are heroes. We demand
proof that, first, Self is One, that our brother is our brother; second, that an
individual man can be the conscious totality of that Self; and third, that
he whom others declare to be Him, is Him.

The first two proofs may be obtained by (1) an honest intellectual
inquiry — as stated in the Katha Upanishad, "Go back from effect to
cause until you are compelled to believe"; (2) a thorough examination of
suffering and its causes—as recommended by Gotama Buddha; (3) practising
renunciation of oneself as one is—as required by Jesus; (4) living the
attributes of real humanity (trying to become a real human being) as
demonstrated by Mohammed. The third proof rests upon the evidence of
His authority and His works — the authority of love and the works of love.
This proof must be sought personally in His presence.

We are required, paraphrasing the opening lines of Sankaracharya's Viveka
Chudmani, "to surrender ourselves to this one who is the end of all knowledge
and its questing, the goal of all love and its suffering — the only Self, the
Bliss." But He, although the only one with real authority, unlike the
authoritarians, demands nothing of us; we are left free to make the demand
of ourselves — we may remain surrendered to our own inadequacy and futile
aggressiveness or we may surrender to our own realized Completeness and
Unity as manifested in Him; we may retain our hardness of separate identification
or willingly dissolve ourselves in our own Being of Love.
"The Ocean becomes drop. The drop-becoming-Ocean has to drown itself
in itself to realize that it always was the Ocean."

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SleepyE said:

I know everyone will have their own opinion of what God is.

Some say it's an unattainable role of a Nazi-like bearded Dude in the sky throwing lightning javelins.

But what is a practical interpretation for this term.

I think God is a position humans are intended to strive for.

If you were in a play or a movie, would you be bold enough to play the protagonist? The antagonist? or tree number 7#

I think the definition of God is the strive towards becoming a focal point in their story, or society, and or culture. Therefore the closest thing to God would be the protagonist.

So when you say you are God,
Are you just making at declaration of protagonism?

So people like Einstein,Tesla, Terrence Mckenna, JFK, John lennon, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Gandhi, Dali llama, etc. Would that be the real definition of God?

Just making conversation here

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