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Snake Salvation 2
#18872519 - 09/21/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a new TV show about geniuses in Appalachia handling poisonous snakes because of some obscure verse in a fictional book. I was going to discuss the 'you die if you get bit and lose your faith' and 'Jesus loves you more for doing dangerous stuff' premises. But as I am done bashing Christians and calling them nutters, I won't. So some mod might just as well go ahead and lock this thread.

Note the preacher's missing arm amputated after severe damage from venom. This guy is a quick study and really, really dedicated to his imaginary friend.
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I hear it only works if you plug them
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An intelligent looking bunch are they not?
When they amputate his head he'll be getting somewhere.
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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: Icelander]
#18873743 - 09/21/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where, oh where, is PT, our resident Appalachian?
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Mark 16:18 - They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
With all that healing power, why not start a hospital instead?
Does anyone here doubt that I could come up with a concoction that they could drink and not survive? Usually they go for diluted arsenic, but nothing as lethal as potassium cyanide. Hell, I would settle for them drinking a bottle of Drano (lye) -and I would become a convert.
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Making and watching them drink this concoction would be for... for science, right? 
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Of course. Just, for once, want to see someone do what they claim.
Wiki: An estimated 7,000 to 8,000 people are bitten by venomous snakes in the United States each year, with approximately five deaths.
That is a 0.00066 chance of dying - even without the miracle power of Jesus; so while very painful to get bit, rarely fatal. That is why I propose something that is usually 99.99% fatal if they truly want to demonstrate the Holy Spirit.
Just trying to help with their PR.
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I have seen a few docs on these nuts. I have a problem with when you cover your kids in snakes and say it's in God's hands. If its just an adult I say it is Darwin's theory at work.
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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: my3rdeye]
#18889188 - 09/25/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they were serious, they would handle nothing but taipan snakes, not wimpy rattlesnakes. There are no known survivors before the advent of anti-venom and all people bitten die without treatment.
Of course, they would need a steady influx of new members regularly.
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We ain't got no damned taipan snakes out here, boy. This is America! Seems like you might needa go-ta wunna 'em devil-killing ceremonies, if'n you're thinkin' the commies gots better snakes 'an we do.
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Shoot dang
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Did you know PT could hit a bulls-eye with a knife at 20 feet? She ain't no joke!
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Yeah, I am practically Bear Grylls.
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I can hardly wait to go on one of your noodling tours.
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Also from Appalachia. Not ashamed. I live literally in the woods. There are bugs in my kitchen that just live there.
But on to those nutters: yeah, what kind of crazy jerks would do something potentially dangerous just to induce an altered state of consciousness? Right guys? Right? What kind of lunatics would engage in potentially illegal activity just to alter the chemical makeup of their brains to have what they believe are divine experiences? Huh? What freaks!
Note to internet: we still need a sarcasm font.
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Quote:
crumblebum said: Also from Appalachia. Not ashamed. I live literally in the woods. There are bugs in my kitchen that just live there.
But on to those nutters: yeah, what kind of crazy jerks would do something potentially dangerous just to induce an altered state of consciousness? Right guys? Right? What kind of lunatics would engage in potentially illegal activity just to alter the chemical makeup of their brains to have what they believe are divine experiences? Huh? What freaks!
Note to internet: we still need a sarcasm font.
You're comparing someone handling snakes to a drug? And assuming that drug users are interested in 'divine experiences'? And assuming that those snake handlers are attempting to alter their chemistry?

A drug user is seeking a high, when a rattle snake injects hemotoxic venom in you there is no upside
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Well at least you're not from Kentucky.
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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: Icelander]
#18891271 - 09/25/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking about getting bit in particular. The experience itself is bound to induce a high. The danger, the community, etc. You can get high on situations. Anyone who's ever been in a church while hymns are collectively sung knows why it's done. Most religious rituals exist because when they are performed in context and for the right crowd, they produce a high. Being in the middle of a 100 people singing the same song in different tunes produces an experience, like drum circles and shit. The people in that picture are getting high on pre-existing brain chemicals because the situation is inducing them. There's a feeling of "divinity" that come along with many hallucinogenics and religious rituals/experiences.
I'm assuming that some drug users are seeking a divine experience. And while they don't know it, those snake handlers ARE attempting to alter their brain chemistry. Not by getting bit but by NOT getting bit.
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Pffft, he's got a point. Both alter their brain chemistry for a predetermined goal. Plus, that preacher prob got super points with God for sacrificing his arm.
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Quote:
Penelope_Tree said: Both alter their brain chemistry for a predetermined goal.
Differences:
Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.
A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.
Its all the same though right? Getting high by your own choice vs self-mutilation for the cause of a delusion one was likely pressured into through some form or another. On topic, should we close down all the mental institutions since any subjective delusion is now objectively sane?
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