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Real Liberation & Salvation
    #4450175 - 07/25/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars
Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not
The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation
If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death
Death is not the salvation since even after death you are bound by the bonds
The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members
It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you
You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal
You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created
By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not exist
Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing
During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal
Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds

Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds
This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct
If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love
The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you
In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them
Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the
Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound

To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra
Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra
The same is said ?Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah?
The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three
Are called as ?Eeshanaas?, which are the stainless steel chains, which never
Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma
The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn
Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous
Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that
You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans
Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma

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Re: Real Liberation & Salvation [Re: dattaswami]
    #4450199 - 07/25/05 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

once every 2 or 3 months someone marches in here with pali or sanskrit behind them as if they were the fullfilment of our sweetest dream.

like an undigested bimonthly rehash of something that is not standing on its own legs - it might be more helpful if you say it in plain english and stand behind your own words

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Re: Real Liberation & Salvation [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4450261 - 07/25/05 01:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Damn son, Ill grab the ice.

But seriously, money has the same binding power as love? or is love not necessary to have a wife?

Gaia, as you awaken, I heal myself. As I awaken, you are healed.

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Re: Real Liberation & Salvation [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4450444 - 07/25/05 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I concurr completely.

"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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