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Offlinecrumblebum
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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18891615 - 09/25/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Both alter their brain chemistry for a predetermined goal.




Differences:

Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.

A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.


Its all the same though right? Getting high by your own choice vs self-mutilation for the cause of a delusion one was likely pressured into through some form or another. On topic, should we close down all the mental institutions since any subjective delusion is now objectively sane?




No, the institutions are for people who don't care for their subjective delusions. We should rescind any and all mental hygiene laws that force people into said institutions if they're happy with their delusions.

Back on topic, the alteration of brain chemistry doesn't come from the bites, everyone jump off that. The bite just hurts and sucks. The change in brain chem comes from being in a large group and doing something dangerous. Riding a motorcycle very fast, rock climbing, owning cats, all these things carry massive, often fatal risks, and produce the same "high" as snake handling. That's why many religions DO use drugs for spiritual purposes.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: crumblebum]
    #18891653 - 09/25/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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crumblebum said:
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Repertoire89 said:
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Penelope_Tree said:
Both alter their brain chemistry for a predetermined goal.




Differences:

Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.

A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.


Its all the same though right? Getting high by your own choice vs self-mutilation for the cause of a delusion one was likely pressured into through some form or another. On topic, should we close down all the mental institutions since any subjective delusion is now objectively sane?




No, the institutions are for people who don't care for their subjective delusions. We should rescind any and all mental hygiene laws that force people into said institutions if they're happy with their delusions.




So a schizophrenic paranoid man who frequently stalks or attacks people, should be treated where?



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Back on topic, the alteration of brain chemistry doesn't come from the bites, everyone jump off that. The bite just hurts and sucks. The change in brain chem comes from being in a large group and doing something dangerous. Riding a motorcycle very fast, rock climbing, owning cats, all these things carry massive, often fatal risks, and produce the same "high" as snake handling. That's why many religions DO use drugs for spiritual purposes.




What is your point in this? This doesn't confront these points:

Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.

A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18891686 - 09/25/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.

A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.





1. Sometimes it does. Religions were very likely the first to organize and recognize drug use.

2. AGAIN, it's not about the bite. The bite does not produce anything at all. It's about the experience of handling the snake and NOT getting bit, and being in a group of people who all believe what you believe. The fact that the relative risks are different doesn't matter much. It's worse than the drugs you mentioned, but better than other drugs you didn't mention, like meth, blow, designer drugs, etc.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: crumblebum]
    #18891714 - 09/25/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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crumblebum said:
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Repertoire89 said:


Drug use does not revolve around religion, with its manifest aspects of proselytizing, delusion and brainwashing.

A snake bite is much more dangerous and painful than say marijuana or LSD.





1. Sometimes it does. Religions were very likely the first to organize and recognize drug use.

2. AGAIN, it's not about the bite. The bite does not produce anything at all. It's about the experience of handling the snake and NOT getting bit, and being in a group of people who all believe what you believe. The fact that the relative risks are different doesn't matter much. It's worse than the drugs you mentioned, but better than other drugs you didn't mention, like meth, blow, designer drugs, etc.




"Sometimes" doesn't matter.

A snakebite is safer than cocaine? :lol:
The snakebite is relevant to this thread "snake salvation"


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18891737 - 09/25/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I'd say over time, cocaine use and snake handling are about equivalent danger. Amputations, heart attacks, etc.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: crumblebum]
    #18892098 - 09/26/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, cocaine can be used intelligently. Snakes can be handled intelligently too, but if the snake isn't biting you because you're handling it properly, then it's not really a test of faith, is it? It's a test of how good you are at snake handling.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: NetDiver]
    #18892149 - 09/26/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There's a lot of circular logic and obvious dead ends used to justify the practice, granted.


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Re: Snake Salvation [Re: crumblebum]
    #18901362 - 09/28/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hello everyone! I'm new to the forum and from this glorified state of NC that is home to this tv show, but I'm located eastern NC in the middle of the state I might add, lol.  I just wanted to say something, it may be not addressing the question, it may be, idk? (new to this) - But I actually went to college with an individual that took up snake handling in church and soon converted to Presbyterian, but whoever first said they handle the serpents because of the bible verse in Mark is absolutely correct about that.  Also, it's easier for them to take up serpents because it's their religion, as well as while holding these snakes, i mean you have to imagine if you had a 4 inch thick copperhead rattling in your hands how much dopamine/endorphines would just be cascading through your brain?!?
I mean I'm good with where I stand, but to each his own in that respect I guess.  But the main thing is this practice obviously is located in very remote regions with not too many people around so they are around it and see their parents doing it since birth since they are in the deep Appalachians so they probably look at what we do and think we are crazy as all hell or going to hell for that matter.  Sry the post was so long just wanted to share what the guy I had met that actually did that told me which I felt as very very interesting to learn about. But seems like a great crowd and thanks for allowing me to be a part of this community!


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