MarkostheGnostic said:

57-71 said:

MarkostheGnostic said:

As it stands, her request is unethical, immoral, manipulative of you, disrespectful of your superior empathy, and just plain wrong on all fronts.

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Please explain how the killing and eating of meat bearing animals raised for that very purpose is unethical and immoral.

Please explain how involving one's offspring in a quest to decide the most compassionate method to render a chicken lifeless is unethical, immoral, and manipulative. For all you know the vegan choice for sexybutsparkly is a relative new venture. Likely she was raised on those same chickens most of her young life.

Please explain how not killing/eating chickens (meat) endows one with superior empathy - or is is simply a self-smug attitude of moral superiority for being a vegan?

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I am not being smug. That is your projection. I've eaten meat since quitting veganism when I was 21 - 38 years ago. I only recently (6 months as of yesterday) stopped eating animals or their products. It is a dietary experiment. I am motivated by my physical health, not by empathy and compassion. So your attack on my moral superiority is groundless. I aspire to higher levels of empathy and compassion, which are, according to Buddhism and some other frameworks, clearly the moral high ground. The immorality I mentioned refers to the manipulative parent. Perhaps you are closer in age to being someone's child than to being someone's parent (or grandparent, as in my case), and do not see the parent's behavior as I do. As a counselor for children, I have had to deal with Haitian immigrants who could not shed their programming, and instead of going to a nearby supermarket, forced their children to kill pigs in the most cruel ways, hacking at a screaming, terrified animal as it ran around with a leg hacked off. If there is no need to butcher an animal, and if you have no clue as to do so humanely, then it is immoral to cause such suffering by setting your child to the task.  People I know who have raised chickens, sometimes initially for food, became aware of their chickens' own awareness and even affection. Subsequently, the awareness of the sentience of those chickens was sufficient to change those peoples' minds about killing and eating their chickens - or  any chickens in fact.

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