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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: ClosedEyeCigarette]
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I think Leary and Mckenna are both full of shit. :shrug:

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Exactly why was Leary fos?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: ClosedEyeCigarette]
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ClosedEyeCigarette said:
greater individuals like huxley


^^ There's a man I certainly wouldn't mind learning more about.  Probably a great place to start.

I'm still my own #1 fan though :crazy2:  (when it comes to psychedelic research and whatnot)

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: extreme]
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Read the doors of perception, the perennial philosophy, brave new world, and island


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Just when you think you're happy
I come around
I was meant to be
A punishment to you
A thorn in your side
A cancer eating through
I twist reality
And make it hard to bear
I am the only thing left
When love isn't there

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: extreme]
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From what I have picked up, Terrence was highly skeptical, even of his own work and encouraged others to pick it apart and question it as well.

He, like most people whose knowledge is 'radical' in its nature, can have a profound impact on the gullible and weak minded, too many times I have met people who treat his work as godly and 100% truth, this is not the spirit his work was done in and is meant to be hashed over with rational scientific reasoning. Especially his anthropological, ethno-botanical and psycho-pharmacological works.

If you have not been outside of western culture and immersed in a radically different culture, or have never really been immersed in altered states of consciousness that often can reveal the illusory and plasticine qualities of culture and its instances, than from that cultural-centric view point, it is easy to dismiss his cultural commentary.

Having strange psychedelic fueled beliefs doesn't discredit everything he says, if one does not posses the appropriate education and intelligence to hash through his works, then they probably shouldn't be reading them at all. :shrug:


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To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Raven Gnosis]
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Raven Gnosis said:
From what I have picked up, Terrence was highly skeptical, even of his own work and encouraged others to pick it apart and question it as well.

He, like most people whose knowledge is 'radical' in its nature, can have a profound impact on the gullible and weak minded, too many times I have met people who treat his work as godly and 100% truth, this is not the spirit his work was done in and is meant to be hashed over with rational scientific reasoning. Especially his anthropological, ethno-botanical and psycho-pharmacological works.

If you have not been outside of western culture and immersed in a radically different culture, or have never really been immersed in altered states of consciousness that often can reveal the illusory and plasticine qualities of culture and its instances, than from that cultural-centric view point, it is easy to dismiss his cultural commentary.

Having strange psychedelic fueled beliefs doesn't discredit everything he says, if one does not posses the appropriate education and intelligence to hash through his works, then they probably shouldn't be reading them at all. :shrug:


Ya dude we obviously just arent as smart as you.  The book true hallucinations contains thuper legit anthropological and ethnobotanical research duder :rolleyes:


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Just when you think you're happy
I come around
I was meant to be
A punishment to you
A thorn in your side
A cancer eating through
I twist reality
And make it hard to bear
I am the only thing left
When love isn't there

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.


Incorrect, leary died an atheist with the belief that the brain is god.  Look past the harvard days bro, also huxley thought that psychedelics did this as well.


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Just when you think you're happy
I come around
I was meant to be
A punishment to you
A thorn in your side
A cancer eating through
I twist reality
And make it hard to bear
I am the only thing left
When love isn't there

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: ClosedEyeCigarette]
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I think calling the brain "god" is silly.

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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In the sense that the brain creates reality? I dont agree


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Just when you think you're happy
I come around
I was meant to be
A punishment to you
A thorn in your side
A cancer eating through
I twist reality
And make it hard to bear
I am the only thing left
When love isn't there

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: ClosedEyeCigarette]
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ClosedEyeCigarette said:
In the sense that the brain creates reality? I dont agree


The brain doesn't create reality. The brain creates our sense based perception of reality.

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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But we have no way of knowing what that objective reality is because we only have our subjective perception.


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Just when you think you're happy
I come around
I was meant to be
A punishment to you
A thorn in your side
A cancer eating through
I twist reality
And make it hard to bear
I am the only thing left
When love isn't there

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
ClosedEyeCigarette said:
In the sense that the brain creates reality? I dont agree


The brain doesn't create reality. The brain creates our sense based perception of reality.


this is slowly being questioned by quantum physics. It does seem that consciousness plays a fundamental role in reality. Basically if no one is perceiving anything then there is nothing there at all but the possibility of it being there or not.

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.



Yes and I did at one time myself but that's not the only things he had to say about the use of psychedelics. Have you really read much of his work?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: LittleDipster]
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LittleDipster said:
Memories said:
ClosedEyeCigarette said:
In the sense that the brain creates reality? I dont agree


The brain doesn't create reality. The brain creates our sense based perception of reality.


this is slowly being questioned by quantum physics. It does seem that consciousness plays a fundamental role in reality. Basically if no one is perceiving anything then there is nothing there at all but the possibility of it being there or not.


Nice! beat me to it! Exactly what I wanted to say. :laugh:

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Memories said:
Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.



Yes and I did at one time myself but that's not the only things he had to say about the use of psychedelics. Have you really read much of his work?


I admit, I haven't. What are some cool things he said IYO?

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.


He's right!

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
Icelander said:
Memories said:
Icelander said:
Exactly why was Leary fos?


He believed psychedelics provided people with mystical and spiritual revelations.



Yes and I did at one time myself but that's not the only things he had to say about the use of psychedelics. Have you really read much of his work?


I admit, I haven't. What are some cool things he said IYO?



"Tune on, tune in and drop out" for one.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/timothy_leary.html


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
"Tune on, tune in and drop out" for one.


Turn*

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Re: Terence McKenna [Re: notanumber]
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:blush: oops


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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