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 Terence McKenna: another egomaniac 
#4553172 - 08/19/05 04:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been listening to Terence McKenna mp3s at work again lately. I have a job where i can just listen to shit all day if I want to.
I am not liking him so much anymore. My main beef with him these days is how he keeps describing his own trips as though they are "the" trips. He says what he experiences on each drug and then says well that is what people in general experience and that just isn't so. He says mushrooms are about alien intelligence and show visions of huge machines orbiting planets in outer space. No Terence. That is what you see because you are a fan of science fiction. I mean sometimes that is what I see on Mushrooms, but usually I see all sorts of different things, and the trip is always different. I hate that. I hate that he projects his own experiences.
In another recording today he had the nerve to criticize another famous author's descriptions of the psychedelic dimension as being exactly the same only with cars that are 9' wide. Screw you Terence. If that is what that guy experiences that is what he experiences. Terence McKenna was totally full of himself as much as he liked to posture humility.
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been a while since anyone mentioned him, after McKenna, 2012 is again on repertoire
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I agree
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sox24
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This thread is stupid. Why fault Terence McKenna for anything. It sounds to me like the guy pretty much gave his all. The way you are describing the way he acts isn't really how he acted at all. He did share his experiences and told what he felt, but never did he say or act like there is one thing to be perceived. What's the point of trashing someone other people like. Why not trash people who actually deserve it, there's plenty to choose from.
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 Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4553361 - 08/19/05 05:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah but his trips are 'the trips' in our subconscious mind. Since he was tripping when we were all cum in our daddies balls and eggs in our mommies wombs, his earlier trips greatly affect the character of our trips via imprinting through collective unconscious.
He isn't an egomaniac.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: tomk]
#4553428 - 08/19/05 05:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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No my trips are THE TRIPS in my mind. I venture to say that I have tripped as much or more and as intensely or more as he ever did. I have eaten more acid, San Pedro, Huasca, Peyote, or shrooms than anyone I know.
"Since he was tripping when we were all cum in our daddies balls and eggs in our mommies wombs, his earlier trips greatly affect the character of our trips via imprinting through collective unconscious."
I am not a babe in diapers exactly.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: tomk]
#4553431 - 08/19/05 05:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have had similar thoughts about Terrence myself. Love him... Hate him... And allow him to think what he likes and life could/might be much simpler. We're involved in the same projections of how things are with almost very post, so don't be so hard on him/yourself. Just as terrence wanted a sci-fi alien world and did his best to gather support for that paradigm, you too are gathering support in favour of your argument. This is cool.
I think it would be quite boring and drye to talk always in terms that don't actually give yourself any credit of knowing anything or fully believing in anything. Just propositions and ideas without actually connecting any real emotional self to it. zzzzzz
Maybe you actually desire acceptance to speak in a similar manner because when you do you start building up a collective belief that supports creating the world you want. In this very statement I have just done the exact same thing as well. Without saying "you will experience this if you swallow this pill" you're not actually offering anything that anybody can really do anything with.
We're all walking talking contradictions.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: iambobby]
#4553445 - 08/19/05 05:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would love to do Huasca (you mean a dmt brew?)
I deleted Terrence a while back for similar judgements of him. I thought "this guy has fixed ideas of tripping" and since when does tripping have limitations? Seeya...
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: iambobby]
#4553454 - 08/19/05 05:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Without Terrence however, I would never have searched the woods to find the bark to make dmt that opened my mind to new dimensions. I too experienced the feeling of talking alien gibberish and many other things he predetermined for me but I also realised there is more then the boundaries he has talked about.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: iambobby]
#4553465 - 08/19/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I would love to do Huasca (you mean a dmt brew?)"
Yeah...it was homebrew Ayahuasca, but properly made. It is unlike any other entheogen due to it's sound component. Imagine shrooms with powerful auditory hallucinations. The downside is about 15 minutes of very intense puking and shitting...often at the same time. The first time I did it I ended up in a MacDonalds restroom blowing it out both ends. The shit that comes out stinks bad. It smells like ayahuasca-shit. After this phase is is very comfortable. Read "Ayahuasca Analogues" by Ott for info.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4553502 - 08/19/05 06:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4554396 - 08/19/05 10:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jesus, what were you doing in McDonalds on DMT!?!?!??!?!?! Holy shit, literally!!!! Now that is one trip report I'd love to come across...
I've smoked it and obviously gone through the wall, so to speak but it all happens so quickly I feel I need more time in there to chill out and try and comprehend what is going down. I feel this would be available through an Ayahuasca experience. Terrence said that "if you control you're breathing well" or something like that "you can peep through" and experience the fullness of what you would have when smoking it.
I have definately noticed a correlation between breathing and the DMT trip. Like as I breath out I am noticing the trip alter, almost feeling as if I hold my breath things would remain the same. Have you experienced anything like that or have I just grabbed that from terrence and made it my reality?
I haven't done it in ages and to me its like "holy fucking sap, I respect you DMT!!!" and not something I reach for very easily. My close friend has just made a new batch that he has supplied me enough for about 30 trips and to be honest, I'm a little scared. What I've seen/experienced and heard through the 3 times I've done it was enough to make me believe in everything I didn't believe in and it was virtually life shattering for me. So now, I'm looking forward to keeping it and blowing some minds... like my Mums for example hehehe...
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: iambobby]
#4554598 - 08/19/05 02:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been a science fiction maniac for ages, probably why I enjoy his stuff so much. Regardless of validity, or application of any of what he says, it captivates me.
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TM is like any other human. I keep saying this about gurus and everyone else peple put up on a pedistal. You take what works and you can verify for yourself and dump the rest. It's all about you finding YOUR path, not his or anyone elses. But if he has some ignorant things to say and you throw it all away, you miss the help he can give you. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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yep, not quite an egomaniac but he was a crazy bastard.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: Icelander]
#4554792 - 08/19/05 05:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
What baby? Did you just make this up?
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: Swami]
#4554819 - 08/19/05 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I make it all up Swami. Comedian, chameleon, Corinthian, and caricature. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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When McKenna talked like his trips were "The Trip", it was because he was being taken over by mushrooms...
So in a sense, he was correct. 
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: alsey]
#4555799 - 08/20/05 12:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
alsey said:
yep, not quite an egomaniac but he was a crazy bastard.
How was he crazy? I would think since you didn't give any examples that he wasn't crazy but you were ignorant. But whatever, I'm not going to keep bitching about what might take years to learn. Maybe I'm ahead of the curve for knowing McKenna was a true genius, even if all he thought could be was wrong, and people like you are hacks.
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Re: Terence McKenna: another egomaniac [Re: sox24]
#4555810 - 08/20/05 12:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a big TM fan. He liked adventure, he was a bit of a scientist, he liked people and had a good heart/spirit, he could trip balls, he explored inner space and reported back. If he was incorrect about a lot of things that's to be expected.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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