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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #811824 - 08/12/02 06:42 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

And I am humbled by your... uh . . humility ... or something

Didn't mean to kiss ass there. Now I feel obligated to bash your next post in order to restore the Cosmic Balance.

You have been warned.


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Anonymous

Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #812101 - 08/12/02 01:45 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Mckenna is the whole reason I am on the journey I am on. I have read all of his books. Some of his ideas and concepts are incredible. I was saddened by his passing. Mckenna is a must reading for all aspiring psychonauts. Check out this site http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm

peace out!


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Anonymous

Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #812583 - 08/12/02 06:07 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the link Eternal.

I just finished reading the story of his last trip.

As a cancer survivor I found it very moving. So much so that I need a break from posting.

Rather than say something maudlin in the emotional state I am in I will say nothing.

Thank you. That is all.


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Anonymous

Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #812705 - 08/12/02 07:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

::::: Terence McKenna :::::

1946-2000

Writer & Visionary



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OfflineBrukan
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit - NEITHER! [Re: ]
    #812765 - 08/12/02 07:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I think her was a marvelous man, who had deep passions for understanding life, lifting the veil of confusion and corruption, bringing mystery to our world, and making me laugh my balls of when he spoke in tongues.

> I have always thought that he understood more about the other side than most people who have ever experienced hallucinogens...

I think that comes from him being such a serious psychonaut. He's been around the block many times...

I personally have read "The Invisible Landscape" (or what I can decipher from it), and I am currently reading "The Archaic Revival" and "True Hallucinations." I've seen a video that was recorded during a visit he did in Rustlers S. Africa. And I've listened to his audiotapes "History Ends in Green." It's all so interesting, but I don't take it too seriously. After all if December 21, 2012 (Gregorian) is the end of history, then why worry about understanding anything?


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OfflineEarth_Droid
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #812767 - 08/12/02 07:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I say prophet, by that I mean has a better idea of what god really is than most people. I agree with most of his ideas, and they make a lot of sense to me. Of course his ideas are far out, and unbeleivable by most people. But I am not like most people.


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OfflineBrukan
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #812791 - 08/12/02 07:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

> I have no idea how many of his theories he actually believed.

That's interesting. Indeed, how much of his preaching did he practice? Perhaps it doesn't matter though. I mean when your on 5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms or in "the dome with the self transforming machine elves jumping in and out of your chest", nothing needs to make sense!

And I am so humbled by his courage to go to these places and actually fucking TALK to these beings! Whoa!


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OfflineBrukan
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Xlea321]
    #812804 - 08/12/02 07:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

> If Terence had been interested in making money the last thing he would've done was to write books about mushrooms.

HAHA, that's so fucking true!


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OfflineDinoMyc
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #812882 - 08/12/02 08:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Prophet.
while I disagree with some of his views, and I believe he miscontrued some mathematics (ie, loose adhearance to rigor), but I have incredable respect for the man. The vast majority of his ideology (that which which I am familiar) I find to be incredable.
His passing is a loss to us all.


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OfflineBrukan
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #813231 - 08/12/02 11:36 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

> I believe he miscontrued some mathematics (ie, loose adhearance to rigor)

I agree with you if you are talking about his mathematical proofs, lemmas, and what not in "The Invisible Landscape." The last few pages are rather simple proofs. Yet I have heard from some sources (ie. Art Bell Show & random articles) that much of his mathematical formulation, the Timewave function, has been looked at by Ph.D. mathematicians on the West coast (and perhaps globally since we are getting closer to 2012). I did find a site that found a flaw in his argument here ( http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/autopsy.html ) by Prof. Matthew Watkins. But I believe it has been adjusted, and now the Timewave function is "workable."

I'm not so sure, someone help me out.


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Offlineakyouser_oner
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #814092 - 08/13/02 12:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

I also think his brother has mental problems, big time.




just out of curiosity, what makes you say that? i've never read/seen/heard anything by him, just T. and i wonder where i could find dome of his crazyness...


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OfflineBrukan
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: akyouser_oner]
    #814246 - 08/13/02 02:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that kind of struck me too, though I didn't respond to it. I mean Dr. Dennis McKenna is working at the Heffter Research Insitute, how crazy can he be if he's employed there?

Care to share Mr_Mushrooms?


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Offlinemirrorsaw
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Brukan]
    #814491 - 08/13/02 04:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe that comment was based on what happened in "True Hallucinations"?


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OfflineAdamist
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #814689 - 08/13/02 06:10 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah in True Hallucinations, Dennis seemed to have even more "far out" ideas than his brother. Terence even mentioned in the book that he doubted Dennis's sanity many a time, but eventually after returning to the U.S. he came back to "normal".


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OfflineDinoMyc
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Adamist]
    #815064 - 08/13/02 09:05 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

heh.. yes, normal really should be in quotes with the two of them


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #815254 - 08/13/02 10:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I have always thought that he understood more about the other side...

Not necessarily. He tossed around many ideas to get people to play with them. He was neither crank nor prophet (profit?), but a juggler. His writings are quite entertaining and have a lyrical quality to them. He viewed the mushroom journey from many different angles, as that of an explorer describing a mountain from different sides and heights.

I don't think he had come to any strong conclusions about many of the possibilities that he painted. I view him more as a catalyst than a messenger. Actually his message was to intrigue us and then to point to the new frontier and say,"Now you go there and report back to us what you see and experience."

One of his better qualities was his self-deprecating humor and ability to challenge his own theories.

I only "discovered" McKenna a year or two before his untimely death and will sorely miss him.


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InvisibleDreaMaTrix
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
    #820046 - 08/16/02 05:49 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

VVVVV See sig


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Anonymous

Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #820088 - 08/16/02 06:00 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you soooooooooooooooooo MUCH!!!!!

That would be awesome!

I do not have any questions for him but I would love to watch it silently.

Again, thank you very much!

Cheers,


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InvisibleMystical_Craven
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #821828 - 08/17/02 02:39 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds real cool DreaMaTrix...I'll (hopefully) be in the back row somewhere taking notes


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Invisibledarkproggy
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Anonymous]
    #9179748 - 11/04/08 05:38 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to thank Terence for reaching out through my neuroses during my last trip.  That sample was in just the right place at the right time.


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