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 Penguarky Tunguin
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 Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit?  [Re: Rose]
#9184129 - 11/04/08 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love Terence McKenna BECAUSE his theories were wacky.
I still think he has something with regards to his "transcendental object at the end of time." I remember when I first heard him say it, I got goosebumps.
I truly feel we are accelerating towards something...
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zannennagara
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He was articulate and amusing, had very novel ideas, encouraged direct experience over beliefs and did not shy away from pointing out the flaws of both scientific and psychedelic/paranormal-associated thinkers.
I don't agree with some of his theories but I'm glad they're out there, and as far as psychedelic "prophets" go he seems to me one of the most reasonable and least crankish.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: zannennagara]
#9184877 - 11/04/08 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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he has fed me mushrooms in the forest
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 Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: MokshaIs]
#9819005 - 02/18/09 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
MokshaIs said:
he has fed me mushrooms in the forest
So that's where he is now!
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Icelander
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Terence McKenna, crank or profit?
Just a fun-guy. nothing more.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: darkproggy]
#9839588 - 02/21/09 05:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So far I've only read McKenna's "Food of the Gods." I found it to be an entertaining and influential read, but admittedly I think his scholarship could've been stronger.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: N2loma]
#9855107 - 02/24/09 12:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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After reading many books on psychology I have no doubt that these "entities" are just structures of the unconscious, possibly a collective one.
Many people see a woman telling them "secrets" when they hit DMT, that doesn't sound like anima to anyone else? Had McKenna had a better knowledge of the psyche AWAY from drug use I doubt his beliefs would be the same.
I also think another problem with anyone is that they all fall victim to the power of the mind. You can have a belief and whether it be true or not you can firmly believe it. Add psychedelics to the mix and you have a will that is indestructible.
That is the troble with psychedelics, "reality" becomes a word and not a place or time. I have a place I return to frequently in trips, it is the book I plan to write one day. I can become so immersed in it through my own will and guidance that if I were to stay there for eternity I doubt I would notice. Take this and add more grams or DMT and you have a situation that is as thick as a brick wall, incapable of being destroyed in your own mind.
I do not fault McKenna though or think he is a "crank" I simply think that he was taking the journey that needs to be taken by someone with a better understanding of how the brain works. Oh how I wish substances like Psylocibin and DMT had been available to Carl Jung.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Rocker232]
#9855402 - 02/24/09 12:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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After reading many books on psychology I have no doubt that these "entities" are just structures of the unconscious, possibly a collective one.
While I always make sure I have a few "doubts" about everything I tend to agree with you here.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Icelander]
#9855943 - 02/24/09 02:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Terence McKenna was definitly a thinker. I had never thought of time like the was he explained it was. I guess time is holographic though. Its simply mind blowing.
Crank or prophit? Terence is a visionary.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Hubbub]
#9855953 - 02/24/09 02:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not sure what you understand by "visionary".
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9856894 - 02/24/09 05:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe he meant "hallucinary" 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Icelander]
#9866076 - 02/25/09 11:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
After reading many books on psychology I have no doubt that these "entities" are just structures of the unconscious, possibly a collective one.
While I always make sure I have a few "doubts" about everything I tend to agree with you here.
Right and these structures are infinitely more powerful than any entity.
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Uh huh. And what can you/we do with this infinite power?
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Make his wife bake some deelicious cookies?
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9867211 - 02/26/09 02:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just realized my post was a fulfillment of prophesy. 
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Quote:
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Uh huh. And what can you/we do with this infinite power?
Ever studied Jung? Ever read a book on mythology? Ever read Joseph Campbell? Ever read James Joyce's Ulysses?
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Quote:
Penguarky Tunguin said:
Ever studied Jung? Ever read a book on mythology? Ever read Joseph Campbell? Ever read James Joyce's Ulysses?
Ever answer a question with a statement? Were Jung, Campbell and Joyce profits?
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Rose]
#9870042 - 02/26/09 04:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Joyce was. He spoke of quarks before anyone knew what they were.
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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Middleman]
#9870491 - 02/26/09 05:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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And McKenna predicted his own death.
Whoopie.
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Kukaracha
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Jung and Freud made what we call in french "topiques", organizations and structurations of the mind.
These tend to explain everthing, and seem extremly accurate.
However, the problem is that although Jung, Adler and Freud didn't say the same things, all of their theories work.
It's not psychology, but psychanalysis, wich should be used carefully.
Let's remain skeptical about these things. : )
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