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Terence McKenna, crank or profit?
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McKenna came up in a thread and I am wondering what the consensus opinion of this group is about him.

I have always thought that he understood more about the other side than most people who have ever experienced hallucinogens and I am a big fan.

What do others think?

Cheers,

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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I think a lot of his ideas were real crazy but I wouldn't say he was a crank. I have no idea how many of his theories he actually believed. He wrote entertaining books with a lot of far out speculation.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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I think he might have started out on the right foot, but somewhere in time he forgot to take the path less traveled and ended up on the $-quest. But hey, who am I to judge? Maybe the only way he could support himself was by selling stories of little elves to trippers-looking-for-meaning-and-direction. IF that's the case, then I feel sorry for him... but that's no reason to respect him or his misleading "work".


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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In another thread I posted something about a lecture I thought was given by Alan Watts...which, of course, turned out to be one of McKenna's. I didn't say anything at the time cause I wanted to first find out where I had gotten it from. And well, I stumbled upon it just yesterday (quite by accident) and was planning on making the correction some time today...but seeing as this thread is already here I guess it would probably make more sence to just toss it where it belongs. So here it be --> http://www.elftrance.com/Html/ThinkTank.htm
Note: this just takes you to the page it's on, so you have to actually put forth enough effort to scroll down the page to where it's at (hint: the link itself is titled 'here' and can be found between the picture of the greek looking monkey on the soap box and the picture of the Earth with the Rocky Horror lips on it)


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"Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go..." T.S. Eliot

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Sclorch]
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Thanks for your thoughts, Sclorch.

I want to say right up front that I think that McKenna might have gotten caught up in the material wealth his ideas generated. However, for me that does not detract from the central theme of his message(s).

I, for one, think that he is closer to the truth than most others in reference to the beings that appear during hallucino/entheogenic experiences.

In other words, I think the beings he describes actually exist.

There are very deep philosophical implications in his ideas that take a lot of time to explain and I'm hesitant to discuss them.

To the others:

I will download the link when I have a bit more time.

Thanks to all for their opinions.

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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Wow Mr. Mush. Accept my apology please. As soon as I seen the topic and your name replying, I automatically assumed you would say crank and spout some Kant on it.
But I agree with you. I havent read everything by him and I probably don't know the whole story, but while reading True Hallucinations, I was blown out of the water. If he was on to something, and these "things" exist, that is fantastic. If not and he was just tripping his brain matter to edge city, sign me up for that as well. I especially got into the world vibration his brother experienced while on shrooms.
But I can't really answer the question since most prophets are cranks and most cranks become prophets. And just to be an ass. Look at this Jesus guy. Prophet or crank? Nobody knows for sure. The only people who know for a FACT are dead. And they ain't talkin...

But my opinion; Prophet. no crank. wait most definately prophet, i think. Yeah Thats my final answer.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: postalboy]
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Don't assume.

I am a very strange person that thinks too much and is on the verge of a mental collapse. j/k

Seriously, I think he knows more than he thinks he knows and may not ever know the deeper ramifications of his beliefs.

I also think his brother has mental problems, big time.

But those are unfounded opinions as I have never met him and talked to him.

Cheers,

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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Great writer, great original thinker.

Did a lot of good with the mushroom growers guide too.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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Relating to your other post about shared knowledge.. if you share the same ideas as McKenna, he's great. If not. well...

I happen to think he's a good writer and you can't fault a pioneer for missteps so even though I don't always agree with him, I respect him.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: infidelGOD]
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Relating to your other post about shared knowledge.. if you share the same ideas as McKenna, he's great. If not. well...

Thank you. I did not know people counted on my opinion that much. I am humbled my your admission.

Cheers,

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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I enjoyed reading McKenna alot... He was and probably still is the one writer who understood what it is like for me on the "Other side" during mushroom voyages. I only started reading him after I had experienced some really insane things while tripping. I loved his descriptions of the Eschaton, the Other (whatever that may be), and language having more power than one might suspect...

I loved the way he spun his words. I had to read his work with a dictionary close by at all times, as his vocabulary was far more expanded than my own.

I am deeply saddened that he died before I could witness his personality in person...

Sclorch, if you wanted to make money, why in the hell would you try and make it by making up stories of elves? Maybe it's just me but if I wanted to make money I would at least come up with something a bit more believable.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Adamist]
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Sclorch, if you wanted to make money, why in the hell would you try and make it by making up stories of elves?
You bought it didn't you?

Maybe it's just me but if I wanted to make money I would at least come up with something a bit more believable.
Why bother? If it sells, it sells. If it didn't, he would've stopped after the first book.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Sclorch]
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Yeah I'm disgustipated with captilism as much as the next anti-mainstreamer, but hey, if you had the chance to support yourself by writing books wouldn't you take it?

I do think McKenna dramatized or fantasized alot of his writing, but that does not make it any less interesting in my eyes.

If you don't like it don't buy it.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Adamist]
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if you had the chance to support yourself by writing books wouldn't you take it?
That would depend on my situation. I would have a hard time writing fiction (for non-mainstream readers) and masquerading it as an experience that I had. It's a lie that can only hurt diversity in the end. If I were starving... I'd do it, but I'd throw in some hints that I was bullshitting.

I do think McKenna dramatized or fantasized alot of his writing, but that does not make it any less interesting in my eyes.
Interesting is one thing. Ethical is another thing. I won't argue that it's interesting... it is, but I just think it's misleading.

If you don't like it don't buy it.
Like? That's a pretty vague word when describing the particular intention(s) underlying a decision (in this case to buy a book).


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Sclorch]
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Not sure what planet you're living on sclorch but down here on earth supporting yourself through writing books about magic mushrooms ain't gonna happen. Try it one day and see how long you can support yourself for.

If you want to make any money you need to be selling Harry Potter like quantities, not a few thousand. If Terence had been interested in making money the last thing he would've done was to write books about mushrooms.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Xlea321]
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Not sure what planet you're living on sclorch but down here on earth supporting yourself through writing books about magic mushrooms ain't gonna happen.
I didn't say his was rich and famous. But I don't think he was starving or homeless.

If Terence had been interested in making money the last thing he would've done was to write books about mushrooms
He started out writing as OT Ott. He sold SHITLOADS of those books. You don't think that might have influenced him to write more? Publishing is about SALES. McKenna didn't have a problem writing books that would sell... hence, the publisher kept publishing and SELLING his books. He didn't have to write about Harry Potter... he had his niche market. That's all you need.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Adamist]
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I am deeply saddened that he died before I could witness his personality in person...

I did not know this. That is sad. He had more to teach and learn.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Sclorch]
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In what way was his work misleading?

That is the only point you've made in this thread that I do not understand. Could you elaborate a bit?

Cheers,

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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: Sclorch]
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Sclorch, check out how much money authors make on a book sale. Mckenna got three books published in around 20 years. At the very best he'd have made $5-10,000 on each book. Over 20 years that ain't exactly the kind of thing you devote your life to unless you have a passionate commitment to it. He'd have made a lot more money flipping hamburgers.


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Re: Terence McKenna, crank or profit? [Re: ]
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I like McKenna. Sometimes he sounds a bit nuts, but he still has good ideas. Interesting stuff.....


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