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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9623478 - 01/16/09 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think Terence speaks his thoughts very clearly. This is his particular way of speaking, but I just noticed how much this way of speaking clearly is part of his "manner"; and at one point it bugged me to the point that I had to turn it off. At the same time I also found it very interesting though. I am going to keep listening.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9623483 - 01/16/09 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, i haven't been high like this in a longggg time.  Seattle buds get me ripped.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9624910 - 01/17/09 05:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

very good post

we don't appreciate the fruits of our time, because they're not yet ripe.

socrates though. not all were convinced he wasn't just another sophist.

by zeus, the philosophers here all resort to their sophisticated tricks as well.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9624931 - 01/17/09 05:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so, the universe is language, what does it refer to?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9625092 - 01/17/09 07:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
so, the universe is language, what does it refer to?




consciousness.  The feeling of being alive and an active part in the world when you're not distracted by the ego you mistake as your self.  Language, Time, and the idea of the universe all are in your head (including the universe you think you are walking around it which is really a model in your head built up from language).

One of my favorite RAW quotes help a lot here:

"I agree with the Buddha, there is no meaning in life, meaning is in sentences, meaning is in symbols that symbolizes life, life itself does not have a meaning, because thats what meaning refers to, meaning refers to life.  To look for meaning in life is like looking for trees on a map, you can find squiggles that represent trees but you will find the trees there, the squiggles only represent the trees.  Or a river, you can't wash in a river on a map, you got to find a real river on a non map world.  I'm trying to make a difference between the words and the metaphors and the existential experiences."


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: SpencerGNobleman]
    #9625110 - 01/17/09 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so consciousness is outside the universe?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: SpencerGNobleman]
    #9625220 - 01/17/09 09:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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One of my favorite RAW quotes help a lot here:

"I agree with the Buddha, there is no meaning in life, meaning is in sentences, meaning is in symbols that symbolizes life, life itself does not have a meaning, because thats what meaning refers to, meaning refers to life.  To look for meaning in life is like looking for trees on a map, you can find squiggles that represent trees but you will find the trees there, the squiggles only represent the trees.  Or a river, you can't wash in a river on a map, you got to find a real river on a non map world.  I'm trying to make a difference between the words and the metaphors and the existential experiences."




"meaning is in sentences"

using language we can extract more or less meaning from sentences, and even from stand alone words.

the meanings are resonances - associations that come alive,
bits of mental life that are linked to those words and to the cadences of those words strung together
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the sentences are just the external or visible or auditory missiles
- the payloads are the meanings which we never see, as they happen inside of minds.

maps are very good, even better than sentences and words, they can help you find your way if you are clever at interpreting them, the inner maps are part of meanings within the mind.

what are we talking about?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9625435 - 01/17/09 11:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

apparently we're not talking
it's the universe doing

and everything outside the universe is aware of what the universe is doing


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9625469 - 01/17/09 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

'doing' is perceptual.. there is no such thing as an objective verb really


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9630241 - 01/18/09 07:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i am having a universal lingual institutional experience-like experience


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