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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Is that your opinion?  :smirk:




my opinion is that this whole thing is uet another distraction from actual
issues such as a bad economy, we'll see more of it as we get closer to
election day

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Heard a great one today....

Someone mentioned that Rahm Emmanuel stated that 'Chick-Fil-A doesn't represent Chicago values' to which it was replied...well that's a good thing for Chick-Fil-A....  :rofl2:

Also it was mentioned there is a picture of Rahm Emmanuel with his arm around the woman hating, anti-semetic, anti-gay, race-baiting Louis Farakhan.... LOL


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: All We Perceive]
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All We Perceive said:
I have a really hard time believing that people were like fuck gays!  let's eat chick-fil-a!!!!



I've seen a fair share of posts on my Facebook wall saying exactly, or something similar to, that. I obviously proceeded to nig them because anybody that stupid isn't worth my time.

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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"...people were like fuck gays!"  Isn't that the idea...?


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
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The man can say what he wants, he can spend his money anyway he wants, it's his right. Like pris said publicizing a boycott always does the exact opposite of what is intended. Not too far back anti gun groups wanted to stage a boycott at Sbux because they allow concealed weapons in their stores, they take no stance either way, if it's legal in the state it's legal in our stores. People who never would have bought starbucks were lining up to buy Sbux. Not to far back, the media said apple basically uses "slaves" in horrible working conditions over in china, I dont see anybody throwing their iPhones away, just the opposite, record sales.
    This is just another excuse for the media to try and stir the shit pot, and create a whole bunch of controversy over nothing. So the man has a different opinion, we might as well draw and quarter him, hes a monster destroying the gay community one chicken sandwich at a time.  this whole thing stinks of some DXM induced psychosis. You like chic fila eat there, if you don't don't, this is not hard to grasp.
      Do you know the values of every person of every company you do business with? I don't, and I really don't care they can think, say, and spend their money anyway they want to, and so can I. If they got a good product I'll buy it and use it, even if it is made by "slaves" in horrible working conditions, and most other people will too, the sales set during all these boycotts speak for themselves.

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Ima Trooper said:
1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.




if he had done that then there's be no chickens left in the world and the
company would make billions, people would buy the sandwiches and thrown
them away just to support him if the media had spoken up on it



Man, that's the funniest shit I've seen all day:thumbup:

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Icepic]
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Another point, what if they fucked the business over, and some gay dude working there lost his job, or several hard working people lost their job because some gays were butthurt... (no pun intended...)


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Being gay is a choice, not a right..  This has NOTHING to do with religion, it is rooted in self interest.

That said Chick-Fil-A is just tasty tasty eats.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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To address the pro-gay harrassment that started this thread, here is the other side:
Chick-fil-A Anti-Gay Controversy: Gay Employees Speak Out


Posted: 08/01/2012 5:31 pm Updated: 08/03/2012 5:41 pm


Elected officials have urged Chick-fil-A to stay out of their cities, the Jim Henson Company has severed ties, and gay rights groups are organizing national protests against the fried chicken chain. But at the Chick-fil-A where Andrew works in northern Alabama, business has been booming over the past few weeks.

On Wednesday -- dubbed "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" by former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee -- lines are stretching out the front door and the parking lot is packed with customers coming out to support company chief executive Dan Cathy, who recently came out against same-sex marriage with statements that have polarized lovers of the fast-food chain.

Andrew, a gay 24-year-old who has been working at the northern Alabama Chick-fil-A since January, sat in his car smoking a cigarette and watching the crowd during a break earlier Wednesday.

"I call it hater appreciation day," said Andrew, who asked that his last name be withheld out of fear he'd be fired. "It's very, very depressing."

Chick-fil-A has long come under fire from activists for giving millions to groups that advocate against gay rights and even support ex-gay therapy, but the fire has ratcheted up in recent weeks, following interviews in which Cathy said he was “guilty as charged” of supporting “the biblical definition of the family unit" and that gay marriage invites "God's judgment on our nation."

Now, Chick-fil-A sits at the center of furious debate over same-sex marriage, gay rights and free speech, with politicians, activists, and newspaper editorial boards weighing in from all sides.

The company has remained mostly silent on the issue. On the company's Facebook page, a post declares, "The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect – regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender." (On the page, the company also maintains that it severed ties with the Jim Henson Company, first). The company did not respond to multiple requests for comment from The Huffington Post, and Dan Cathy has not given any subsequent interviews since the controversy began.




Another group staying mostly silent on the issue are the gay, lesbian and bisexual employees who staff the restaurants. They say that, like most employees of the company, they aren't allowed to speak to the press.

For these employees, the last couple of weeks have been very difficult.

One gay employee who works at Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta, Ga., and asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, says he is getting it from both sides. On the one hand, there is the customer who came in and said he supported Dan Cathy and then "continues to say something truly homophobic, e.g. 'I'm so glad you don't support the queers, I can eat in peace,'" the employee, who is 23 and has worked for Chick-fil-A since he was 16, wrote in an email. On the other hand, he continued, "I was yelled at for being a god-loving, conservative, homophobic Christian while walking some food out to a guest in a mall dining room."

He disagrees with Cathy's views, but the reaction from the public has been just as hard to swallow.

"It seems like very few people have stopped to think about who actually works for Chick-fil-A and what those people's opinions are," he wrote. "They are putting us in a pot and coming to support us or hate us based on something they heard and assume we agree with."

Gabriel Aguiniga, a gay employee at a Chick-fil-A in Colorado, also said the hardest part hasn't been hearing Cathy's comments. Instead, "[it's] constantly having people come up to you and say, 'I support your company, because your company hates the gays,'" Aguiniga, 18, wrote in an email. "It really takes a toll on me."

Management is encouraging employees at the stores to remain neutral, no matter what customers say, according to multiple workers interviewed by The Huffington Post.

"Our managers have recommended just saying 'Thank you for your business' if a customer says they agree with Cathy’s comments, rather than agreeing or disagreeing with them," K, an openly gay Chick-fil-A employee in Louisiana, told HuffPost in an email.

But staying neutral can be difficult when it feels like the world is passing judgment on everyone associated with the company.

"Now, anyone that works there is stuck with a stigma of being homophobic, even when many of us are far from it," K said. One of her coworkers, who supports same-sex marriage, has had people say things like, “Don’t give me that hate sh*t,” and “I hope you choke on that chicken," while she was handing out samples.

But for K, the hardest part hasn't been the actions of customers and protesters, it's the money the company gives to anti-gay groups.

"At the end of the day part of our profits still go towards Dan Cathy, and subsequently, all the organizations he supports," she said. K is now actively searching for work elsewhere. Many of her coworkers, she said, are looking for new jobs, too.

The groups Chick-fil-A gives to include the Family Research Council and Exodus International, according to Equality Matters, an initiative associated with the progressive Watchdog group, Media Matters. The Family Research Council is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, while Exodus International is a Christian Ministry that has long endorsed ex-gay therapy, a controversial practice of "curing" gay people that mainstream mental health organizations have disavowed. (In recent months, the president of Exodus has tried to distance his group from the idea that gay people can be "cured.")

Several of the gay and lesbian employees interviewed by The Huffington Post said that they liked their work, and had never witnessed incidents of homophobia or discrimination on the job. But Chick-fil-A restaurants are operated by independent owners, and employee experience can vary widely depending on the person running a particular chain.

Kellie, a 23-year-old gay woman from Georgia who also requested her last name be withheld for fear of being outed in the press, worked at two different Chick-fil-A locations in Georgia. She loved working at the first location, she said, where nobody ever said anything homophobic or discriminatory. But at the second location, in Atlanta, "there was a lot of general homophobia." Managers would frequently make homophobic jokes, she said, and she felt that if she were to tell her colleagues she was gay, she would be fired. Eventually, she quit.

Another former employee, who worked at the Chick-fil-A in Chicago, said he thought the culture of the company encouraged homophobia.

"It's a very monochromatic, white, male driven company," said Andrew Mullen, a gay 26-year-old who quit his job last winter after less than a year with the company. Once, Andrew recalled, a company operator leading an employee training session, saw two men kissing on the patio outside the restaurant and proclaimed to the group he was leading that he thought it was "disgusting." Mullen later told the person in charge of corporate training about the incident, and the man was fired. "[This person] was very apologetic for it, and there are a few people here like that, but from what I saw, it's a predominantly pro-ignorant culture."

But the gay employee who works at headquarters in Atlanta disagreed with this assessment. Aside from the occasional homophobic joke or comment outside of working hours, he said, his experience with the company has been "extremely positive."

Asked in June, Andrew, the employee in Alabama, would have said his experience was positive, too. He had never explicitly told any of his colleagues he was gay, but he felt comfortable at work and liked the operator of his store. But recently, Andrew says the atmosphere at work has grown nearly intolerable. Although plenty of his coworkers have said they don't agree with Cathy's views, on "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day," one colleague told him proudly that his friends would be eating the fried chicken sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Last week, when he went out to the parking lot to help a trucker (not directly employed by Chick-fil-A) unload a shipment of goods, the trucker turned to Andrew confidentially and said, "If I see one more faggot at a Chick-fil-A protesting, I'm going to be sick."

"I just looked at him and said, 'I don't want to hear that,'" Andrew recalled. "I thought, Chick-fil-A doesn't promote hatred, we don't cuss and we don't hate," he continued. But experiences over the last couple of weeks have shifted his views: "Honestly, I really wish they would just go out of business, I do."


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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I ate Chick-Fil-A today, it was good. They have some of the best Lemonade.  :chicken:

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
Michael Rowe sums it up better than I could:

The Great Chick-fil-A Snake Oil "Faith" Hustle

Posted: 08/03/2012 7:16 pm

Notably absent from the conservative Christian Sturm und Drang over Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy's recent collision with LGBT America (and their increasingly vocal, and visible, straight allies) over his "free speech" to voice his "opinion" is a discussion of the degree to which -- from a faith perspective -- this Emperor is not only without clothes, but is actually frying his chicken in the nude.

As has been pointed out already in countless enlightened editorials and blog postings elsewhere, this was never about "free speech." No one was proposing a law to censor Mr. Cathy's right to his "opinions," as his followers call funneling millions of dollars to anti-gay organizations whose sole purpose is to maintain LGBT Americans in a second-class social, political, and legal status in the United States, organizations that contribute to consigning gays and lesbians to to an even deadlier fate abroad -- to wit, funds to the Family Research Council, which lobbied Congress not to oppose the infamous Ugandan "kill the gays" bill that proposed death sentences for gays and lesbians in that country.

The concept of "free speech," which was designed to keep governments from throwing dissenters into prison to silence them, is never more degraded than it is in cases like these. To people like Mr. Cathy's followers, the First Amendment is a sort of shapeless, elasticized polyester pant suit that will stretch to accommodate any amount of ugliness, all the while allowing the wearer to claim that he or she is dressed in something at least technically decent.

It seems unlikely that Mr. Cathy's "free speech" would be something Michele Bachmann, or Sarah Palin, or Rick Santorum, or Mike Huckabee would have cared to weigh in on if Chick-fil-A had an overtly racist message, or contributed to anti-Semitic causes. Surely those would theoretically also have been cases of "free speech," but not popular cases, not ones that would curry political favor with their base voters.

But since LGBT Americans are always expendable to these people, any attacks on their legal or social dignity is fodder for "free speech" posturing.

It's a classic playground bully's gambit: pick an apparently vulnerable and unpopular victim, get your fawning gang to watch for teachers, then have at the victim as viciously as possible. If caught, claim that the victim "asked for it" and hope for the best, and they claim that the only real oppressed group in America today are heterosexual Christians, and seem to genuinely believe that if they say it fervently enough, people will be convinced by them.

Over the past week or so, I've interacted with some of these people in the comments section of Huffington Post, and elsewhere.

What they all appear to have in common is a type of moronic, simmering frustration, mixed with an equally dull-witted glee, as though they truly believe they are on a crusade for justice. Their posts are often inarticulate and badly spelled. They fall just short of calling opponents of Chick-Fil-A's bigotry "uppity faggots" but many seem to genuinely see their consumption of greasy, pre-cardiac disease fast food as a strike against the forces of darkness in the name of their American Jesus.

Or do they?

What surprises me (but doesn't, sadly, at the same time) is the silence from mainstream Christians, at least some of whom must see what a repulsive mockery Dan Cathy and his "chicken-fried Jesus" cult have made of Christ's actual teachings on love and grace.

Quite apart from the fact that hatred is -- or ought to be, at least -- inimical with Christianity as it is understood in the red-letter portions of the New Testament (the hard part for these people, the part dealing with love and humility) Dan Cathy has turned his rage-filled version of Christianity into a sort of lucrative branding slogan in the service of his own bottom line. He's actually making millions from it, and he's done it cynically, and at the expense of other human beings, then sharing that blood money with others like him, whose mandate isn't holiness, but hatred, violence, division, and ostracism.

This week, I've listened to heartbreaking stories of gay sons and lesbian daughters whose parents have made it a point to inform them that they'd lined up in Wednesday's blazing heat in order to drop their thirty pieces of silver into Dan Cathy's coffers at the expense of their own children.

Any decent American Christian should be outraged by stories like those -- as should any decent person, especially any parent -- but in the same way that their Bible recounts the disciples denying Christ during his arrest and interrogation in order to avoid bringing the wrath of the mob down on their heads, that segment of American Christians have found their own place in this history still being written. Instead of trotting out Leviticus, that perennial Biblical horror story, or the misogyny and patriarchal sexism of Paul, they would do well to look to John 13:35 -- "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another," and ask themselves where they think they fit in, or even if they honestly believe they do.

If Cathy were a medieval peddler selling relics of the saints of disputable authenticity, or slivers of the One True Cross, or the nails he claims were used to crucify the Messiah, he couldn't be more of a fraud than he is in this instance.

The spectacle this past Wednesday of "Christians" and other, more generic garden-variety anti-gay bigots lining up around the block to "support" Mr. Cathy's enterprise and to cram their faces with junk food on the specious grounds of "supporting Biblical marriage," or "supporting free speech," was a pageant of banal, cheerful deep-fried American hate, unified in bigotry and detestation of a group of their fellow Americans who were different from them, all the while licking grease from their fingers and congratulating themselves on their piety and rectitude and patriotism.

The fact that Chick-fil-A claims to have posted "record" sales on Wednesday doesn't meant that thousands of Americans waddled into a fast-food joint to deliver a "blow for freedom" or a "blow for Jesus" or "traditional values."

America didn't get any holier or more "free" last Wednesday. It just got meaner and fatter, and even more rage-filled than it was before Mr. Cathy decided to sell his version of Christianity instead of chicken.



This is patently absurd:

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The concept of "free speech," which was designed to keep governments from throwing dissenters into prison to silence them, is never more degraded than it is in cases like these. To people like Mr. Cathy's followers, the First Amendment is a sort of shapeless, elasticized polyester pant suit that will stretch to accommodate any amount of ugliness, all the while allowing the wearer to claim that he or she is dressed in something at least technically decent.



Prison is not the only method at the government's disposal to stifle free speech.  Withholding of permits, increasing regulatory requirements for those who voice certain unapproved opinions, officially voicing opposition to a franchise diminishes the pool of potential franchisees.  Consider the case of the Skokie Ill Nazi parade.  These are vile, fringe nutcases but they cannot be required by the government to comply with any more rules than anybody else who wishes to have a parade.  To do so is to squelch their free speech rights.

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This week, I've listened to heartbreaking stories of gay sons and lesbian daughters whose parents have made it a point to inform them that they'd lined up in Wednesday's blazing heat in order to drop their thirty pieces of silver into Dan Cathy's coffers at the expense of their own children.



What a fucking drama queen.  "At the expense of their own children?"  Spare me.  Some people (most of the country) think marriage is between a man and a woman.  That's it.  Tough shit.  Me?  I think the government should not be involved at all except to supervise a legal dissolution of the contract.  No privileges or penalties for people who decide to enter into a contract.  But that isn't the deal. 

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America didn't get any holier or more "free" last Wednesday. It just got meaner and fatter, and even more rage-filled than it was before Mr. Cathy decided to sell his version of Christianity instead of chicken.



I wonder what this guy had to say about what scumbags people who hold a traditional view of marriage are when that was Obama's position.  Hell, it still might be his position.  He just came out of the closet as a states' rights guy on this issue.  Funny thing is he isn't much for states' rights about anything else.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: GabbaDj]
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GabbaDj said:
Being gay is a choice, not a right..  This has NOTHING to do with religion, it is rooted in self interest.

That said Chick-Fil-A is just tasty tasty eats.



being gay is a right just like choosing to be a mormon or a moron is a right

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
starfire_xes said:
Is that your opinion?  :smirk:




my opinion is that this whole thing is uet another distraction from actual
issues such as a bad economy, we'll see more of it as we get closer to
election day




Doesn't the government do this a lot though??  I know this one guy who always says how the media will bring certain 'sensationalist' issues to light to distract the easily swayed masses from the real important ones.

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Jesus fucking Christ. Who, in the past, would have ever though Fast Food, of all things, would be so important on these topics?!




Fast food. :what:




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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
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Rumblefishtwist said:
Prisoner#1 said:
starfire_xes said:
Is that your opinion?  :smirk:




my opinion is that this whole thing is uet another distraction from actual
issues such as a bad economy, we'll see more of it as we get closer to
election day




Doesn't the government do this a lot though??  I know this one guy who always says how the media will bring certain 'sensationalist' issues to light to distract the easily swayed masses from the real important ones.




it's the media that keeps the public's attention

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