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Offlinewrestler_az
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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: gnrm23]
    #2073721 - 11/05/03 03:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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historical note: JWs were on hitler's list of special groups to be exterminated...





lol, i dont find this too hard to believe....

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other religions are not wrong just a different version of hers.




yes, this is something we have gone over quite extensivly....and yes, it is easier said than done :grin:


well, next tuesday is when the party begins, so dont worry madtowntripper, as soon as i get back, ill let you know how it went at the cult meating :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2073760 - 11/05/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Be sure to bring one of those miniature tape recorders!


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2074004 - 11/05/03 04:44 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

and some teargas in case things get out of hand  :eyemouth:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2074492 - 11/05/03 07:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hey, thats not a bad idea....i didnt even think of that! i think i will....is there any way i could put that on the computer so you guys could listen to it? i think that would be cool....im not really the best with computers, so i dont know how to do stuff like that....


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2074542 - 11/05/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

why cant he keep people from having abortions.......?

well, if my understanding of the whole christian thing is correct and up to date, i think this has alot to do with the fact that he gave us free will....he gave us the power to do as we please from day one, dont eat from that tree if you know whats good for you! so what did we do, same thing any kid does when you tell him not to do something....we did it!

so this free will thing, applies to us writing the bible, having abortions, crashing planes into buildings....all of the things we do every day...i think he got cut out of the loop by giving us free will... hes not "allowed" to interfer with our day to day life in that sence...otherwise free will would be complete bullshit...imagine that, god has "rules" he must follow! :shocked:

thats gonna be my main argument anyway.... :grin:
   


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2075335 - 11/05/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

If you agree to be part of the religion, ie. baptism, and then you choose a lifestyle that doesn't adhere to their rules, boom you're out. Talking to or otherwise associating with someone who has been "disfellowshiped" is against the rules, and can even be reason for your own disfellowship. This rule applies to direct family, as well. Change your mind about your beliefs after being baptised? Kiss your family goodbye.

If you are never baptised, you cannot be disfellowshiped and they can still associate with you as though you were anyone else... Seriously, man.. I wouldn't get into this.. they work on a point system of sorts.. if she converts you she gets lots of respect in the congregation and she will do a lot to try to convince you..

=\ damn i hate them.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Jaredo]
    #2075415 - 11/05/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

posibility of me being converted = 0.000% not gonna happen, im just in this for a little fun, see what kind of trouble i can conjur up :grin:

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This rule applies to direct family, as well. Change your mind about your beliefs after being baptised? Kiss your family goodbye.





thats fucked up....but what she decides to do is her own decision, im not out to necessarily change her mind about her beliefs (as they are trying to do to me) but rather open her, and them, up to the possibility that maybe they really dont KNOW for sure that they are right and i am wrong...i know ive made some progres with her already, and if she feels to stick with the religion thats fine by me... im not out to "convert"

but they are, and im not goin down without a fight! im sick and tired of these people coming up to me and talking their bullshit...i usually just scare them away, but enough is enough!

i will infiltrate their compound and plant my seeds of doubt! before ya know it, the whole religion might turn into pot smoking, shroom eating hippies, spreading peace and love instead of bullshit lies, deception, and manipulation....and i, being the one who started it all, will be held high as their savior, maybe even as the second coming of christ! :lol:

lol, no really....im just having some fun here...if it gets to a point where i think i may be causing a little too much trouble, as in family disowning this chick, ill admit to them that i am actually the spawn of satan, and release her of my evil spells.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2075474 - 11/05/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

you doing any research?

the bible is literature, jh's must be clueless
i guess thats the obvious assumption tho


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: thescientist]
    #2075497 - 11/05/03 11:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"The mission of jehovah's witnesses is to "save" people. The only thing they do in life is trying to make other people jehovah's. If you tell them to shut up they won't listen because they are so "friendly" and they need to save you."

Guy i knew chased them out of his house with a bat once.. that seemed to work..

to be fair though, they did open his door and walk in while he was in the shower


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: thescientist]
    #2075562 - 11/05/03 11:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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you doing any research?





yes....

though i cant recite the bible page by page, i have read it through numerous times and get the jist of it...the thing with the bible i dont get, is how people can be so SURE that their translation of the text is what was meant by "god"....

i mean come on people, the book didnt come magically floating out of the sky...the thing was written by people! many different people, over the corse of a very long time....even if it was gods word at the start, how can you be so sure it still is? and some parts are to be taken literally, while others are metaphores....who the fuck decides this shit? anyway, yes im doing research, not only on the bible but on the differences in jehovah witness and other conventional christians...these guys got some weird fucking ideas...



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    #2076324 - 11/06/03 07:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ]
    #2076439 - 11/06/03 08:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Well...I think you can question their beliefs, and not necessarily be hostile towards them. I'm not religous at all, but I dont knock those who are. Its their thing, and as long as they arent harming anyone, thats fine.

I think its the prostelyzing that gets to people...They prefer religion to be a private thing, and with JW's and others, like mormons, its right out in your face...


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2076706 - 11/06/03 10:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The big problem in having discussions with these kind of people is, in my experience, that their sole purpose is to make you convinced that they are right, and not to have a good philosophical discussion about the bible. They won't be thinkink about your QUESTIONS,
they'll be thinking of ways to disprove your questions. So getting them to actually THINK will be next to impossible. After all, their world is based on belief, not reason.

I had an entertaining discussion with a JW this summer on the same topic. It went something like:

...blahbaah...

Me: No matter what the source, the bible was, after all, written down by normal men. Isn't it reasonable to assume that their personalities and the time they lived in affected what they wrote? Should the bible, then, be interpreted with the timeframe in mind? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on the _idea_ behind what is being said instead of the actual phrase?

Her: No. The bible is the word of god, and it was written down word to word. God saw to it that there were no mistakes.

Me: How can you be so sure?

Her: It says so in the bible, and the bible is the word of god so I can count on it 100%.

Me: But what IF the bible was not written down word to word, and the part where it says it was was just added to
make people believe in the bible?

Her: God would not have let anyone add anything to the bible.

Me: But what if there was no God, and the bible was just an ordinary book written by ordinary people? If there was no God, God couldn't stop anyone from adding things to the bible.

Her: (somewhat shocked) But religion is a matter of belief. If you believe, god will show you that he exists.

Me: Has he shown you?

Her: Yes!

Me: May I ask how?

Her: Through miracles.

....she then went on to tell what kind of miracles had happened to her. I did not go on to show how these could be matters of coincidence, as I didn't want to upset her more.

Anyway as you can see this debate came down to "If you believe first, you will see, but you have to make the jump", which leaves little room for my sceptical, rational mind.


I'm anxious to hear how your meeting went, wrestler. Just keep your head cool, they'll probably be sitting in circle around you... :cool:

And oh, DON?T GIVE THEM YOUR ADDRESS unless you want them to visit you weekly. 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ]
    #2076733 - 11/06/03 10:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

In fact I'd go so far as to say that if I were to choose a denomination it would probably be them.

There all just out there trying to be nice. Don't listen to horror stories that people tell you about Jehovah's Witnesses, because 95% of them are probably lies spread out of ignorance. (Just like the war on drugs)

Just go with an open mind. (like you do a trip) They may not be as bad as you think. Afterwards you can decide if they are crazy... :wink:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #2076736 - 11/06/03 10:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Right on.

I don't care what other people believe, but when they start trying to save my soul, I get irate. Assuming I HAD a soul, did I ask for help in saving it? No.

Moreso,
There are religious groups whose tenets I find personally offensive. World Baptist Church, for example (godhatesfags.com). I feel completely fine being openly hostile to them and their goals.





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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ]
    #2076758 - 11/06/03 10:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The circle part was meant as a joke.

And unfortunately, my encounters with Jehovah's Witnesses have not been as good as yours. I find them quite intrusive. They appear at my door every month or so (okay not weekly) because they want do discuss the bible with me. Every time they ask if they can come inside, and every time I (politely) say no.

They do this because the first time they appeared, I accepted their magazines out of curiosity and politeness. I have also told them, later on, that am not interested in becoming a JW, and that I would appreciate it if they would not come to my door again. This had no effect, they only seemed disappointed in me as if trying to make my feel guilty of asking such a thing. They still come, because they want to give me a second chance.

In my opinion this is purely annoying.


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    #2077396 - 11/06/03 02:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, i don't doubt that they benefit from being JWs.

It's just that the benefits offered by acceptance of religious doctrine are not ones I would trade for those offered by my current state.

I'm sure many of the others here would say the same.



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    #2077501 - 11/06/03 03:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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  They don't harm others in any way. They don't go to war, they don't do anything ill-mannered really.

I think there is alot of hostility towards them for no apparent reason.





i will agree with you completly on this one....these people are quite friendly, and i have never had any encounters with them where they were rude, mean or any way otherwise hostile towards me

the part that upsets me is there persistance in their persuit to "save" me...they never let up. i have gotten to my breaking point on this issue...i live in an area where there are alot of JW around... every week i get a knock on the door, after repeatedly asking them to stop coming over. i figure its no use, so i may as well at least listen to what they have to say, and have some fun with it at the same time...

before my little chat with this chick at the bus station a while back, ive never really talked with or debated these types of issues...and to tell you the truth, i got a kick out of it! it was fun seeing the puzzled look on her face as she fumbled through the bible trying to find the answers....she couldnt give me a straight answer to any of my questions, and i think that my encounter got her thinking a little...(either that or shes puttin on a show to try to get me in, in either case, im having fun with it and dont mind talking with such a work of art, i mean this chick is HOT! :grin:)

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  Well...I think you can question their beliefs, and not necessarily be hostile towards them.




exactly, im going about this as respectfully and with as much class as possible...like i said, i dont "dislike" these people, i just want to see what they are all about. i mean, who knows, they may have some inteesting things to say, i should at least give them a shot, right?
   

ummikko, your conversation went EXACTLY as the one i had with this chick, except after a while she replaced the "because the bible says so" answers with "hmmmm, i dont know" and to me thats a good sign....she is at least willing to stop trying to prove herself right all the time, and give my ideas rational thought...i have enjoyed talking with her about my ideas. she may be the exception, and im not expecting to go in there and have them all stand up and praise me for thinking for myself, but it will be fun none the less....

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They aren't stupid and they don't blindly follow there religion. I assume it has enhanced there lives, and that is why they do it.
 




i can agree with you that  they arent stupid, i never once thought this....

but when i say they blindly follow their religion, i am reminded of my chat at the bus station...."it is true cause the bible says so"
sounds a little bit like blind faith to me, but then again im not so easily persuaded....their unwillingness to accept others ideas as possibility, and to believe whole heartedly that THEY are the ONLY one right religion, seems a little blind to me....i guess most religions are a little blind taken in that context, which is probably why i dont consider my self to be of any one particular religion....i think every religion has at least something to offer, and most have the same basic structure of morals and ethics, so i come into this with as open a mind as possible.....



     


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