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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Jesus christ its so simple! I tried explaining it to my dad a few days ago, and he just didn't get it, just like it seems like a lot of people here don't get it.


1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.

2. He can totally donate his money to any group he wants. That's his right as well.

3. The issue is: YOUR MONEY GOES TO HIS CHOICE OF GROUPS.

For the last goddamn time, NO ONE IS OPPOSING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Thats not what this shit is about! :wtfsonic:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: zappaisgod]
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"want to boycott something, keep your mouth shut"


Yep.  That reminds me of the psychology experiment where they put a box on a chair by the street with a sign that says "DO NOT LOOK INSIDE" and every swingin' dick just about that comes along looks in it.

Don't put anything on it, and most people ignore it. :grin:

Or like when a pro athlete gets his shin broken on national TV, and the announcers say 'Oh, folks you might not wanna watch this...'  which signals to everyone to watch cause something really juicy is gonna happen....


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: a social revolt]
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a social revolt said:
I just talked to my baptist father about this- he says "marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman- it always has been for thousands of years even before Jesus ever came into existence... also the Jews and Muslims have practiced the same views for as long as history goes back, right?"



so has war, genocide, stoning, torture and sacrifices. longevity of a practice doesnt make it right


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Ima Trooper]
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Ima Trooper said:
1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.



if he had done that then there's be no chickens left in the world and the
company would make billions, people would buy the sandwiches and thrown
them away just to support him if the media had spoken up on it


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Ima Trooper]
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Ima Trooper said:
Jesus christ its so simple! I tried explaining it to my dad a few days ago, and he just didn't get it, just like it seems like a lot of people here don't get it.


1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.

2. He can totally donate his money to any group he wants. That's his right as well.

3. The issue is: YOUR MONEY GOES TO HIS CHOICE OF GROUPS.

For the last goddamn time, NO ONE IS OPPOSING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Thats not what this shit is about! :wtfsonic:


You don't seem to understand what this is about either.  Yes, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS were opposing his right to free speech.  They were threatening to withhold business permits because he happened to express a belief that much of the country shares, that the current occupant of the Oval Office held until a few months ago and that a huge percentage of Negro religious leaders still share.  Should Rahm Emanuel and Christine Quinn ban churches in their town that espouse exactly the same thing as this guy?

You should stop trying to explain anything to your dad.  Have him call me instead.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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We could really get people to hate Chick-Fil-A if they had a video of George Zimmerman going into one...


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Ima Trooper said:
1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.



if he had done that then there's be no chickens left in the world and the
company would make billions, people would buy the sandwiches and thrown
them away just to support him if the media had spoken up on it


I doubt that, the more extreme the position, the less of a demographic will be ok with it. I just wish people would see the issue, its not about free speech at all. That's all my dad would talk about is how people are trying to take away the guy's free speech. :facepalm:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
"want to boycott something, keep your mouth shut"


Is that supposed to be a quote from me?
Quote:
Yep.  That reminds me of the psychology experiment where they put a box on a chair by the street with a sign that says "DO NOT LOOK INSIDE" and every swingin' dick just about that comes along looks in it.

Don't put anything on it, and most people ignore it. :grin:

Or like when a pro athlete gets his shin broken on national TV, and the announcers say 'Oh, folks you might not wanna watch this...'  which signals to everyone to watch cause something really juicy is gonna happen....


I didn't watch it.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Ima Trooper said:
Jesus christ its so simple! I tried explaining it to my dad a few days ago, and he just didn't get it, just like it seems like a lot of people here don't get it.


1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.

2. He can totally donate his money to any group he wants. That's his right as well.

3. The issue is: YOUR MONEY GOES TO HIS CHOICE OF GROUPS.

For the last goddamn time, NO ONE IS OPPOSING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Thats not what this shit is about! :wtfsonic:


You don't seem to understand what this is about either.  Yes, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS were opposing his right to free speech.  They were threatening to withhold business permits because he happened to express a belief that much of the country shares, that the current occupant of the Oval Office held until a few months ago and that a huge percentage of Negro religious leaders still share.  Should Rahm Emanuel and Christine Quinn ban churches in their town that espouse exactly the same thing as this guy?

You should stop trying to explain anything to your dad.  Have him call me instead.


Okay, NOW I see what you're getting at... :awewtf:

I didn't take those threats seriously, I figured it was just typical pageantry. "Look at how friendly I am to the gay community, I'll make grandstanding empty threats!" If a Chik-Fil-A actually tried to move into one of those cities I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as the mayor saying "No."


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Ima Trooper said:
Jesus christ its so simple! I tried explaining it to my dad a few days ago, and he just didn't get it, just like it seems like a lot of people here don't get it.


1. NO ONE CARES about what the CEO "says" He can say that gays should be shot on sight. That's his right to free speech.

2. He can totally donate his money to any group he wants. That's his right as well.

3. The issue is: YOUR MONEY GOES TO HIS CHOICE OF GROUPS.

For the last goddamn time, NO ONE IS OPPOSING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. Thats not what this shit is about! :wtfsonic:


You don't seem to understand what this is about either.  Yes, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS were opposing his right to free speech.  They were threatening to withhold business permits because he happened to express a belief that much of the country shares, that the current occupant of the Oval Office held until a few months ago and that a huge percentage of Negro religious leaders still share.  Should Rahm Emanuel and Christine Quinn ban churches in their town that espouse exactly the same thing as this guy?

You should stop trying to explain anything to your dad.  Have him call me instead.


The only one I saw was the guy who denied a permit (completely legally and within his rights) based on the fact that he didn't think it would be good business for the community. That was his right too.

There was a couple mayors who basically said "We don't want you (Chick-Fil-A) here." But they didn't deny them a permit, they just expressed their opinion...which, I BELIEVE, is called FREE SPEECH.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
starfire_xes said:
"want to boycott something, keep your mouth shut"


Is that supposed to be a quote from me?
Quote:
Yep.  That reminds me of the psychology experiment where they put a box on a chair by the street with a sign that says "DO NOT LOOK INSIDE" and every swingin' dick just about that comes along looks in it.

Don't put anything on it, and most people ignore it. :grin:

Or like when a pro athlete gets his shin broken on national TV, and the announcers say 'Oh, folks you might not wanna watch this...'  which signals to everyone to watch cause something really juicy is gonna happen....


I didn't watch it.


No, that was pris' quote.  I saw the thing about the athlete when Joe Theisman got his shin broken in two on monday night football.  They told everyone it was horrible and not to watch then ran about 15 different slow-motion shots of his leg getting blown out.. :grin:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: starfire_xes]
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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Marriage is stupid to begin with.  People get divorced all the time.  I don't give a shit but we have bigger issues as a country than this.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I was wondering when this thread would happen here after I heard about all this shit.
The owner has a right to free speech but I think it's not good business to alienate any customer base, gay people and their sympathizers have money, too.  They're getting a lot of publicity now but I don't know how that's going to work out long-term for them.  I personally don't agree with the owner's stance at all, I never eat there anyway so it's not like I could even boycott them if I wanted.

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
I was wondering when this thread would happen here after I heard about all this shit.
The owner has a right to free speech but I think it's not good business to alienate any customer base, gay people and their sympathizers have money, too.  They're getting a lot of publicity now but I don't know how that's going to work out long-term for them.  I personally don't agree with the owner's stance at all, I never eat there anyway so it's not like I could even boycott them if I wanted.


I used to eat there. Damn good chicken sandwiches. :sad:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
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Michael Rowe sums it up better than I could:

The Great Chick-fil-A Snake Oil "Faith" Hustle

Posted: 08/03/2012 7:16 pm

Notably absent from the conservative Christian Sturm und Drang over Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy's recent collision with LGBT America (and their increasingly vocal, and visible, straight allies) over his "free speech" to voice his "opinion" is a discussion of the degree to which -- from a faith perspective -- this Emperor is not only without clothes, but is actually frying his chicken in the nude.

As has been pointed out already in countless enlightened editorials and blog postings elsewhere, this was never about "free speech." No one was proposing a law to censor Mr. Cathy's right to his "opinions," as his followers call funneling millions of dollars to anti-gay organizations whose sole purpose is to maintain LGBT Americans in a second-class social, political, and legal status in the United States, organizations that contribute to consigning gays and lesbians to to an even deadlier fate abroad -- to wit, funds to the Family Research Council, which lobbied Congress not to oppose the infamous Ugandan "kill the gays" bill that proposed death sentences for gays and lesbians in that country.

The concept of "free speech," which was designed to keep governments from throwing dissenters into prison to silence them, is never more degraded than it is in cases like these. To people like Mr. Cathy's followers, the First Amendment is a sort of shapeless, elasticized polyester pant suit that will stretch to accommodate any amount of ugliness, all the while allowing the wearer to claim that he or she is dressed in something at least technically decent.

It seems unlikely that Mr. Cathy's "free speech" would be something Michele Bachmann, or Sarah Palin, or Rick Santorum, or Mike Huckabee would have cared to weigh in on if Chick-fil-A had an overtly racist message, or contributed to anti-Semitic causes. Surely those would theoretically also have been cases of "free speech," but not popular cases, not ones that would curry political favor with their base voters.

But since LGBT Americans are always expendable to these people, any attacks on their legal or social dignity is fodder for "free speech" posturing.

It's a classic playground bully's gambit: pick an apparently vulnerable and unpopular victim, get your fawning gang to watch for teachers, then have at the victim as viciously as possible. If caught, claim that the victim "asked for it" and hope for the best, and they claim that the only real oppressed group in America today are heterosexual Christians, and seem to genuinely believe that if they say it fervently enough, people will be convinced by them.

Over the past week or so, I've interacted with some of these people in the comments section of Huffington Post, and elsewhere.

What they all appear to have in common is a type of moronic, simmering frustration, mixed with an equally dull-witted glee, as though they truly believe they are on a crusade for justice. Their posts are often inarticulate and badly spelled. They fall just short of calling opponents of Chick-Fil-A's bigotry "uppity faggots" but many seem to genuinely see their consumption of greasy, pre-cardiac disease fast food as a strike against the forces of darkness in the name of their American Jesus.

Or do they?

What surprises me (but doesn't, sadly, at the same time) is the silence from mainstream Christians, at least some of whom must see what a repulsive mockery Dan Cathy and his "chicken-fried Jesus" cult have made of Christ's actual teachings on love and grace.

Quite apart from the fact that hatred is -- or ought to be, at least -- inimical with Christianity as it is understood in the red-letter portions of the New Testament (the hard part for these people, the part dealing with love and humility) Dan Cathy has turned his rage-filled version of Christianity into a sort of lucrative branding slogan in the service of his own bottom line. He's actually making millions from it, and he's done it cynically, and at the expense of other human beings, then sharing that blood money with others like him, whose mandate isn't holiness, but hatred, violence, division, and ostracism.

This week, I've listened to heartbreaking stories of gay sons and lesbian daughters whose parents have made it a point to inform them that they'd lined up in Wednesday's blazing heat in order to drop their thirty pieces of silver into Dan Cathy's coffers at the expense of their own children.

Any decent American Christian should be outraged by stories like those -- as should any decent person, especially any parent -- but in the same way that their Bible recounts the disciples denying Christ during his arrest and interrogation in order to avoid bringing the wrath of the mob down on their heads, that segment of American Christians have found their own place in this history still being written. Instead of trotting out Leviticus, that perennial Biblical horror story, or the misogyny and patriarchal sexism of Paul, they would do well to look to John 13:35 -- "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another," and ask themselves where they think they fit in, or even if they honestly believe they do.

If Cathy were a medieval peddler selling relics of the saints of disputable authenticity, or slivers of the One True Cross, or the nails he claims were used to crucify the Messiah, he couldn't be more of a fraud than he is in this instance.

The spectacle this past Wednesday of "Christians" and other, more generic garden-variety anti-gay bigots lining up around the block to "support" Mr. Cathy's enterprise and to cram their faces with junk food on the specious grounds of "supporting Biblical marriage," or "supporting free speech," was a pageant of banal, cheerful deep-fried American hate, unified in bigotry and detestation of a group of their fellow Americans who were different from them, all the while licking grease from their fingers and congratulating themselves on their piety and rectitude and patriotism.

The fact that Chick-fil-A claims to have posted "record" sales on Wednesday doesn't meant that thousands of Americans waddled into a fast-food joint to deliver a "blow for freedom" or a "blow for Jesus" or "traditional values."

America didn't get any holier or more "free" last Wednesday. It just got meaner and fatter, and even more rage-filled than it was before Mr. Cathy decided to sell his version of Christianity instead of chicken.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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Is that your opinion?  :smirk:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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Whatever, I just go there to eat good food with my free coupons.


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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
Is that your opinion?  :smirk:


In so many words, pretty close.

EDIT: I know you replied to the other guy, but its pretty close to how I feel about it too. I think he's sensationalizing it a little bit, but that shouldn't detract from the cold hard facts that I believe it points out.


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deCypher said:
Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.

Edited by Ima Trooper (08/03/12 08:36 PM)

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Re: Chick-Fil-A controversy [Re: Ima Trooper]
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I was talking to scrotum lick.


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