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Offlinewrestler_az
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cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2
    #2071929 - 11/05/03 12:36 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ok, so a bunch of shit has happened since my previous thread on this topic dissapeard into the underbelly of the shroomery....

we left off with me talking this cute jehovah chick into confusion at the bus station and getting a date out of the deal....

well, i took her out to lunch and after thinking about it decided to avoid any spiritual/philosophical debate for the time being...i already damaged her ego quite a bit at our little chat at the bus station, so i give her some time to recover before round 2...

so we talked, about her likes, dislikes, family, school....yadda yadda yadda...just basically got to know her a bit (i figure this might help in gaining her trust which may help me down the road :grin:)

we have talked on the phone a bit since then, briefly covering some issues, not too heated of debates, but i wanted to keep her wheels turning a bit until i feel a little more confident that she can handle some of the really "weird" shit i want to eventually talk with her about...

so, she keeps calling me, and we keep talking...and today she has invited me to go to her church next week for a youth bible study (ages 16-24) and when asked what the topic will be on, she said "the bible"

well no shit? your gonna talk about the bible at a bible study? well ill be damned!

but more specifically, how "god" "made sure" that the bible was copied/translated correctly, and how he "kept" us from adding, removing, changing, tweeking, simmplifying certain passages.... which by my surprise was not the original topic....it was changed for little old me!!!! (this was one of our more heated topics at the bus station...)

wow, im shocked! heres my chance, title fight! ding ding....

gloves are on, as i head into the very place i probably shouldnt....i dont know what has gotten into me, i normaly would not think of such a thing....but i kinda turned this into a little project :grin:

im sure it has alot to do with how cute she is....im such a sucker :smirk:

but im actually really excited about this...going into a room of a bunch of religious people and debating with them on their beliefs! if you dont hear from me in a while, call the authorities....they may end up thinking im the anti christ and burning me at the stake or some shit! 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2071961 - 11/05/03 12:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hehehe...Nothing like destroying the foundation of people's beliefs... :devil:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071974 - 11/05/03 12:54 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ever see that movie dogma ( i think thats what its called ) anyway i like it when, fuck, i cant remember that black comedians name....

anyway, when hes says beliefs are dangerous, they get you killed.... so he has ideas instead :grin:

anyway, that popped into my head just now....

oh ya, im stoned too- can ya tell?

lol :stoned: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2071979 - 11/05/03 12:55 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

His name's Chris Rock, and ya, I liked that movie.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071981 - 11/05/03 12:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

oh ya.... :grin: you just saved me hours of wondering what the fuck his name was.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2071994 - 11/05/03 01:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Rule #1 of the playas philosophy

1. There is no philosophy. There is no playa.

I guess if its fun for you and fun for them then overall affect on the afterlife is negligible.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2071995 - 11/05/03 01:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, if you go in there you are gonna get ganged up by all of those people. If you really need to go in there, you should just fake like they have shown you the true path and eat up there bullshit like they are valiums. This will help you get into the pantalones of a certain girl who is more important than arguing with a bunch of devout Christians. Wait, are Jehovah's Witnesses Christians? I've lost track of all of these cult...err...hmmm...I mean "sects" of Christianity. Anyways, do not lose track of what is most important here...getting to brag to all of us fuckers that you scored.

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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Signo]
    #2072073 - 11/05/03 01:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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1. There is no philosophy. There is no playa.





i suppose...i mean, i dont plan on walking in there and changing all thier minds and shit, but i have never really been the type to debate on spiritual/philosophical issues in the past... i think that to each their own, and that these kinds of things are more productive when kept on an individual basis...

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Dude, if you go in there you are gonna get ganged up by all of those people. If you really need to go in there, you should just fake like they have shown you the true path and eat up there bullshit like they are valiums. This will help you get into the pantalones of a certain girl who is more important than arguing with a bunch of devout Christians.




yes, you make a good point there...i thought long and hard on how to handle this....on the one side, i have this really cute chick that i have managed to to get to start asking why, and after getting to know her i think she really wants to let go of alot of this religious bull shit and venture onto a more personalized path....but then invites me to her layer, to meet and talk with a whole bunch of people who arent ready to start asking such questions....

so i go in there and buy all their bull shit to get into said chicks pants....or do i go in there ready for a fight?

if i just buy all thir bullshit, i think that all the progress i made with her before hand may be lost....then im stuck with a chick that doesnt approve of half the shit i do, and those kinds of chicks arent fun....im not about ready to change my life for this chick...and theres no way in hell im gonna get into them anytime soon, theres lots of walls to break down first

but if o go in there, stating my ideas and debating with them, they may end up getting their grubby lil paws on her afterwards, brain washing her into thinking im the devil or some shit....

so i think im just gonna try to find a happy medium....if thats even possible


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Signo]
    #2072095 - 11/05/03 01:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

and yes, they are technically christians.....they are just a little more weird about how they go about showing their faith


like this, it really cracks me up....

celebrating all holidays, christmas, easter, thanxgiving....even your birthday are sins...they believe that it is a form of self worship and/or worshiping the false religions....i mean damn, no birthdays? dont you think "god" would allow you to celebrate the greatest gift he gave you, your life?

oh, and they dont call him god, they call him jehovah....his "true" name


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2072283 - 11/05/03 03:28 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have any idea what jehovah's are? They are not just a little more weird, they are  :devil:  :tongue:

The mission of jehovah's witnesses is to "save" people. The only thing they do in life is trying to make other people jehovah's. If you tell them to shut up they won't listen because they are so "friendly" and they need to save you.

Jehovah's are one big family and if that cute chick at the bus station drops her believe, she will probably lose her family. Ask her how those things work in that jehovah's sect...

Good luck...  :spliff: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Annom]
    #2072327 - 11/05/03 04:09 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

That's true, I dated a Jehova chick, but she was wild. She liked to party and drank like crazy. Her Mom had to stop talking to her and think of her as dead until she came back to the JW's.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Annom]
    #2072342 - 11/05/03 04:20 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I bet she's trying the same thing on you, maybe in a jehovah's witness board somewhere there is a thread called "i met a cute sinner at the bus station!"


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Annom]
    #2072352 - 11/05/03 04:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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The mission of jehovah's witnesses is to "save" people. The only thing they do in life is trying to make other people jehovah's. If you tell them to shut up they won't listen because they are so "friendly" and they need to save you.





sounds just like most of the christians i know

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  bet she's trying the same thing on you, maybe in a jehovah's witness board somewhere there is a thread called "i met a cute sinner at the bus station!"





:lol: ya, i bet that is a good possibility! i love it, i laughed so hard at that one....anyway, more power to her....for some reason i found alot of amusment in this whole situation....weather or not she drops her beliefs isnt really that important to me, but the fact that she, and the rest of the christian types i know, are following them so blindly bothers me, i mean, dont they ever stop and ask why?...maybe im :devil: but this is all like a game to me.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: buckwheat]
    #2072355 - 11/05/03 04:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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mindcandy said:
maybe in a jehovah's witness board somewhere there is a thread called "i met a cute sinner at the bus station!"




So funny.

They will be ganging up on you.
Dont back down though. Dont be hardheaded or rude, be interested. That could be so much fun. If you really think you can feel comfortable do it. Go in and see if they can explain themselves. Remember though they will talk some talk. You must be able to handle yourself.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: longshot]
    #2072362 - 11/05/03 04:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

yes i agree...and in fact i am very interested...i want to know how they can believe in something as strongly as they do, based soley on the fact that it was simply "taught" to them...i mean, if i believed everything i was taught, my math skills would be so fucked up right now....i had some of THE worst math teachers ever....when a student had a problem, they asked me, another student and not the teacher... :tongue:

an explanation is all im really looking for....and if it gets too bad, see ya! and hes gone....lol they better not try to pull some exorcist bull shit and try to get the demons out or nothin :razz: i like my demons :devil: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2072386 - 11/05/03 05:20 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"are JWs christiians?"
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depends on who you ask :wink: ...
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if you were doing a flow chart of christianity, the whole russelite/JW thing would be way on the fringe... maybe a contemporary (mid-1800s american end-times/doomsday cults of 1844?) restatement of the old "arianism" heresy (stuff about the nature of god & the relationship between godhead, god the father, the son, and the holy spirit... hint: the trinitarians "won" )...
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historical note: JWs were on hitler's list of special groups to be exterminated...


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: gnrm23]
    #2072436 - 11/05/03 06:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i think the first thing you need to do is convince her that all religions are based on the same beliefs and that other religions are not wrong just a different version of hers.therefore opening her up to accept new ideas, and then do your thing. easier said than done thou



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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: buckwheat]
    #2072529 - 11/05/03 07:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious for an update, whenever you go and crash her bible study...


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2072805 - 11/05/03 09:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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wrestler_az said:
ever see that movie dogma ( i think thats what its called ) anyway i like it when, fuck, i cant remember that black comedians name....

anyway, when hes says beliefs are dangerous, they get you killed.... so he has ideas instead :grin:

anyway, that popped into my head just now....

oh ya, im stoned too- can ya tell?

lol :stoned: 




the initial situation reminds me of dogma too.  the part where matt damon (loki) convinces a nun that god doesnt exist.

you can do it! like others have said, they'll gang up on you, but stay strong and dont back down :wink:  i cant believe they argue that 'the bible hasnt been changed because god doesnt want it to'  ask them how they feel about abortion and if god wants that.  theyre probably against it, yet if god could keep the bible intact, why cant he keep people from having abortions? 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2073704 - 11/05/03 02:58 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

JW are more hardcore than your average "i still sin all the time" Christian.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: gnrm23]
    #2073721 - 11/05/03 03:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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historical note: JWs were on hitler's list of special groups to be exterminated...





lol, i dont find this too hard to believe....

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other religions are not wrong just a different version of hers.




yes, this is something we have gone over quite extensivly....and yes, it is easier said than done :grin:


well, next tuesday is when the party begins, so dont worry madtowntripper, as soon as i get back, ill let you know how it went at the cult meating :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2073760 - 11/05/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Be sure to bring one of those miniature tape recorders!


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2074004 - 11/05/03 04:44 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

and some teargas in case things get out of hand  :eyemouth:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2074492 - 11/05/03 07:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hey, thats not a bad idea....i didnt even think of that! i think i will....is there any way i could put that on the computer so you guys could listen to it? i think that would be cool....im not really the best with computers, so i dont know how to do stuff like that....


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2074542 - 11/05/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

why cant he keep people from having abortions.......?

well, if my understanding of the whole christian thing is correct and up to date, i think this has alot to do with the fact that he gave us free will....he gave us the power to do as we please from day one, dont eat from that tree if you know whats good for you! so what did we do, same thing any kid does when you tell him not to do something....we did it!

so this free will thing, applies to us writing the bible, having abortions, crashing planes into buildings....all of the things we do every day...i think he got cut out of the loop by giving us free will... hes not "allowed" to interfer with our day to day life in that sence...otherwise free will would be complete bullshit...imagine that, god has "rules" he must follow! :shocked:

thats gonna be my main argument anyway.... :grin:
   


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2075335 - 11/05/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

If you agree to be part of the religion, ie. baptism, and then you choose a lifestyle that doesn't adhere to their rules, boom you're out. Talking to or otherwise associating with someone who has been "disfellowshiped" is against the rules, and can even be reason for your own disfellowship. This rule applies to direct family, as well. Change your mind about your beliefs after being baptised? Kiss your family goodbye.

If you are never baptised, you cannot be disfellowshiped and they can still associate with you as though you were anyone else... Seriously, man.. I wouldn't get into this.. they work on a point system of sorts.. if she converts you she gets lots of respect in the congregation and she will do a lot to try to convince you..

=\ damn i hate them.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Jaredo]
    #2075415 - 11/05/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

posibility of me being converted = 0.000% not gonna happen, im just in this for a little fun, see what kind of trouble i can conjur up :grin:

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This rule applies to direct family, as well. Change your mind about your beliefs after being baptised? Kiss your family goodbye.





thats fucked up....but what she decides to do is her own decision, im not out to necessarily change her mind about her beliefs (as they are trying to do to me) but rather open her, and them, up to the possibility that maybe they really dont KNOW for sure that they are right and i am wrong...i know ive made some progres with her already, and if she feels to stick with the religion thats fine by me... im not out to "convert"

but they are, and im not goin down without a fight! im sick and tired of these people coming up to me and talking their bullshit...i usually just scare them away, but enough is enough!

i will infiltrate their compound and plant my seeds of doubt! before ya know it, the whole religion might turn into pot smoking, shroom eating hippies, spreading peace and love instead of bullshit lies, deception, and manipulation....and i, being the one who started it all, will be held high as their savior, maybe even as the second coming of christ! :lol:

lol, no really....im just having some fun here...if it gets to a point where i think i may be causing a little too much trouble, as in family disowning this chick, ill admit to them that i am actually the spawn of satan, and release her of my evil spells.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2075474 - 11/05/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

you doing any research?

the bible is literature, jh's must be clueless
i guess thats the obvious assumption tho


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: thescientist]
    #2075497 - 11/05/03 11:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"The mission of jehovah's witnesses is to "save" people. The only thing they do in life is trying to make other people jehovah's. If you tell them to shut up they won't listen because they are so "friendly" and they need to save you."

Guy i knew chased them out of his house with a bat once.. that seemed to work..

to be fair though, they did open his door and walk in while he was in the shower


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: thescientist]
    #2075562 - 11/05/03 11:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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you doing any research?





yes....

though i cant recite the bible page by page, i have read it through numerous times and get the jist of it...the thing with the bible i dont get, is how people can be so SURE that their translation of the text is what was meant by "god"....

i mean come on people, the book didnt come magically floating out of the sky...the thing was written by people! many different people, over the corse of a very long time....even if it was gods word at the start, how can you be so sure it still is? and some parts are to be taken literally, while others are metaphores....who the fuck decides this shit? anyway, yes im doing research, not only on the bible but on the differences in jehovah witness and other conventional christians...these guys got some weird fucking ideas...



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    #2076439 - 11/06/03 08:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Well...I think you can question their beliefs, and not necessarily be hostile towards them. I'm not religous at all, but I dont knock those who are. Its their thing, and as long as they arent harming anyone, thats fine.

I think its the prostelyzing that gets to people...They prefer religion to be a private thing, and with JW's and others, like mormons, its right out in your face...


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2076706 - 11/06/03 10:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The big problem in having discussions with these kind of people is, in my experience, that their sole purpose is to make you convinced that they are right, and not to have a good philosophical discussion about the bible. They won't be thinkink about your QUESTIONS,
they'll be thinking of ways to disprove your questions. So getting them to actually THINK will be next to impossible. After all, their world is based on belief, not reason.

I had an entertaining discussion with a JW this summer on the same topic. It went something like:

...blahbaah...

Me: No matter what the source, the bible was, after all, written down by normal men. Isn't it reasonable to assume that their personalities and the time they lived in affected what they wrote? Should the bible, then, be interpreted with the timeframe in mind? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on the _idea_ behind what is being said instead of the actual phrase?

Her: No. The bible is the word of god, and it was written down word to word. God saw to it that there were no mistakes.

Me: How can you be so sure?

Her: It says so in the bible, and the bible is the word of god so I can count on it 100%.

Me: But what IF the bible was not written down word to word, and the part where it says it was was just added to
make people believe in the bible?

Her: God would not have let anyone add anything to the bible.

Me: But what if there was no God, and the bible was just an ordinary book written by ordinary people? If there was no God, God couldn't stop anyone from adding things to the bible.

Her: (somewhat shocked) But religion is a matter of belief. If you believe, god will show you that he exists.

Me: Has he shown you?

Her: Yes!

Me: May I ask how?

Her: Through miracles.

....she then went on to tell what kind of miracles had happened to her. I did not go on to show how these could be matters of coincidence, as I didn't want to upset her more.

Anyway as you can see this debate came down to "If you believe first, you will see, but you have to make the jump", which leaves little room for my sceptical, rational mind.


I'm anxious to hear how your meeting went, wrestler. Just keep your head cool, they'll probably be sitting in circle around you... :cool:

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    #2076733 - 11/06/03 10:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

In fact I'd go so far as to say that if I were to choose a denomination it would probably be them.

There all just out there trying to be nice. Don't listen to horror stories that people tell you about Jehovah's Witnesses, because 95% of them are probably lies spread out of ignorance. (Just like the war on drugs)

Just go with an open mind. (like you do a trip) They may not be as bad as you think. Afterwards you can decide if they are crazy... :wink:


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    #2076736 - 11/06/03 10:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Right on.

I don't care what other people believe, but when they start trying to save my soul, I get irate. Assuming I HAD a soul, did I ask for help in saving it? No.

Moreso,
There are religious groups whose tenets I find personally offensive. World Baptist Church, for example (godhatesfags.com). I feel completely fine being openly hostile to them and their goals.





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    #2076758 - 11/06/03 10:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The circle part was meant as a joke.

And unfortunately, my encounters with Jehovah's Witnesses have not been as good as yours. I find them quite intrusive. They appear at my door every month or so (okay not weekly) because they want do discuss the bible with me. Every time they ask if they can come inside, and every time I (politely) say no.

They do this because the first time they appeared, I accepted their magazines out of curiosity and politeness. I have also told them, later on, that am not interested in becoming a JW, and that I would appreciate it if they would not come to my door again. This had no effect, they only seemed disappointed in me as if trying to make my feel guilty of asking such a thing. They still come, because they want to give me a second chance.

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    #2077396 - 11/06/03 02:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, i don't doubt that they benefit from being JWs.

It's just that the benefits offered by acceptance of religious doctrine are not ones I would trade for those offered by my current state.

I'm sure many of the others here would say the same.



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    #2077501 - 11/06/03 03:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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  They don't harm others in any way. They don't go to war, they don't do anything ill-mannered really.

I think there is alot of hostility towards them for no apparent reason.





i will agree with you completly on this one....these people are quite friendly, and i have never had any encounters with them where they were rude, mean or any way otherwise hostile towards me

the part that upsets me is there persistance in their persuit to "save" me...they never let up. i have gotten to my breaking point on this issue...i live in an area where there are alot of JW around... every week i get a knock on the door, after repeatedly asking them to stop coming over. i figure its no use, so i may as well at least listen to what they have to say, and have some fun with it at the same time...

before my little chat with this chick at the bus station a while back, ive never really talked with or debated these types of issues...and to tell you the truth, i got a kick out of it! it was fun seeing the puzzled look on her face as she fumbled through the bible trying to find the answers....she couldnt give me a straight answer to any of my questions, and i think that my encounter got her thinking a little...(either that or shes puttin on a show to try to get me in, in either case, im having fun with it and dont mind talking with such a work of art, i mean this chick is HOT! :grin:)

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  Well...I think you can question their beliefs, and not necessarily be hostile towards them.




exactly, im going about this as respectfully and with as much class as possible...like i said, i dont "dislike" these people, i just want to see what they are all about. i mean, who knows, they may have some inteesting things to say, i should at least give them a shot, right?
   

ummikko, your conversation went EXACTLY as the one i had with this chick, except after a while she replaced the "because the bible says so" answers with "hmmmm, i dont know" and to me thats a good sign....she is at least willing to stop trying to prove herself right all the time, and give my ideas rational thought...i have enjoyed talking with her about my ideas. she may be the exception, and im not expecting to go in there and have them all stand up and praise me for thinking for myself, but it will be fun none the less....

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They aren't stupid and they don't blindly follow there religion. I assume it has enhanced there lives, and that is why they do it.
 




i can agree with you that  they arent stupid, i never once thought this....

but when i say they blindly follow their religion, i am reminded of my chat at the bus station...."it is true cause the bible says so"
sounds a little bit like blind faith to me, but then again im not so easily persuaded....their unwillingness to accept others ideas as possibility, and to believe whole heartedly that THEY are the ONLY one right religion, seems a little blind to me....i guess most religions are a little blind taken in that context, which is probably why i dont consider my self to be of any one particular religion....i think every religion has at least something to offer, and most have the same basic structure of morals and ethics, so i come into this with as open a mind as possible.....



     


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2078061 - 11/06/03 06:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

It won't be fun and they won't debate with you most likely. They will most likely kick you out. I am not joking. I was jehovah's witness for a few year's until my step dad one day stood up during services drank the wine, ate the bread, and proclaimed he was Jesus. Yea that's right the guy was so fucking crazy he thought he was Jesus. Well, to make a long story short my mom abruptly divorced him and they kicked her out of "hall" which is what they call church basically telling her she could never come back...mean while jesus had a penis so he was still allowed to come...wierd fucking people I can't belive for about 8 years of my life I was taught that people who celebrated christmas were evil...and people who had anything to do with people who weren't JW were evil. I could not be friends with them nor take part in any of their activities (people who werent JW) including sports...Well I thank god the crazy fucker thought he was Jesus and my mom was kicked out of hall for divorcing him because that life is so warped it is ridiculous...but hey atleast they aren't runnin around bangin heroin, sacrificng people, worshiping satan, or tieing bombs to their wives and sending them on a bus load fo children to kill them all. I dunno I have had to many bad experiences with organised religion and decided to never step into church again. I can pray on my own just fine thanks =) I should probably write a book on some of my experiences with church lol.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Qlop]
    #2078088 - 11/06/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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They will most likely kick you out. I am not joking.




well, i guess they have that right, since thewy invited me in the first place...i wont be upset if they kick me out

i will listen to what they have to say, and give them a chance to answer my questions....what ever happens,  happens.... either way im not really concerned what happens...i just think that this will be kida fun, something to add to my weird shit ive done list :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2078308 - 11/06/03 07:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Jehova's witnesses are very hardcore. They are extremist in the eyes of most red blooded american christians, and thats saying something right there.


They wont even pledge allegiance or celebrate holidays.


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    #2078556 - 11/06/03 08:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
Jehova's witnesses are very hardcore. They are extremist in the eyes of most red blooded american christians, and thats saying something right there.


They wont even pledge allegiance or celebrate holidays.




I didn't know what a birthday was till around age 9 or 10 I think? It's no way to live they take it wayyyy to far. My mom had to hide the fact I played baseball for years because they would kick us out. They are good people though IMO they have just been led down a very narrow scope of life. Like I said though atleast they are tyring to do good in this world unlike so many others =(


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2078658 - 11/06/03 09:12 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"I bet she's trying the same thing on you, maybe in a jehovah's witness board somewhere there is a thread called "i met a cute sinner at the bus station!" "

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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2078663 - 11/06/03 09:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you know what you are in for

religon is FUCKED up , jehovah's are no exception, I still tolerate them more then mormons! though


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2078666 - 11/06/03 09:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

:grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2079521 - 11/07/03 01:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Now Mormons.. those folks are crazy. Seriously. The original mormons followed A CON MAN. HE WAS A CON MAN. what kind of people would believe that a con man suddenly was met by an angel and tablets and blah blah blah.
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    #2080582 - 11/07/03 10:23 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Proof the Bible has been altered over time:

Original Hebrew and Greek >
[Cannonization]
King James Version >
New International Version >
American Standard >
New King James Version >
Etc...

Some will say that these different versions are just God's way of making the Bible more accessible to a wider audience. However, as we all know, reading the Bible is all about interpertation, and a change to even a few words can radically alter the interpertation of any passage. If the Bible had not changed since it was first written all Christians would have to read ancient Hebrew and Greek.

Example: Did you know that the word "witch" never appeared in the Bible until the King James version where it replaced many instances of things such as "posioners"? The word "witch" was added right at a time when the big scare was witches... Maybe we will see the words
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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2080864 - 11/07/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Of course they're considered extremist's by the normal American. They acutally follow their faith. They don't just go to church on sunday and then not think about it till next sunday. They actually care about what they're doing and truly believe in it. The average american is far from truly being religious.


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    #2080972 - 11/07/03 12:37 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

^^^
Exactly my point...

They actually practice what they preach, that is truly an admirable quality in my book.

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    #2080977 - 11/07/03 12:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Not all americans are agnostic half-ass apostates, though.

That's what a statement like that fails to take into account.

A growing portion of our nations people (myself included) consider ourselves truly atheist.

As great as the JW faith is, it is matched by my lack therof.


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    #2080992 - 11/07/03 12:44 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I consider them extremists because they want to push their faith on me.

Anybody that wants to affect me with their religious affiliation gets the same.


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    #2081574 - 11/07/03 04:27 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

so....... did you get any? even some maybe?


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    #2083370 - 11/08/03 07:26 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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bok said:
Of course they're considered extremist's by the normal American. They acutally follow their faith. They don't just go to church on sunday and then not think about it till next sunday. They actually care about what they're doing and truly believe in it. 




The same can be said of Nazis and the KKK. Well, I guess it doesn't matter what you believe, just that you truly believe in it, right? I mean, if you are going to show hatred towards minority groups, no sense in doing it half-assed, right? Put some passion in those beliefs!!!
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    #2083649 - 11/08/03 10:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

lol, not yet but im working on it! :grin:

i think it may take some time to get her consider the posibility that she actually might not go to hell for sex before marriage! :smirk: 


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    #2083653 - 11/08/03 10:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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The same can be said of Nazis and the KKK. 





:lol: i like that.... :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2083800 - 11/08/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Wanna really fuck her up?


Tell her that you had a VERY real dream where a burning bush told you that you are one of the 144,000 chosen ones. Seriously, tell her that.


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    #2083817 - 11/08/03 11:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"The original mormons followed A CON MAN. HE WAS A CON MAN. what kind of people would believe that a con man" lol so how was he a conman? too funny


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    #2083882 - 11/08/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

*takes notes ...144,000.....*

got it :grin: 


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    #2083887 - 11/08/03 12:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

?
well, he wrote a book, and claimed that it was an ancient text that God told him to find in the 'new land'

the book had some horrible inconsistencies, but w/e
i can just imagine some bearded freak running out of the forest with a dirt-covered new book,
screaming "I HAVE FOUND IT!! THE NEW BIBLE! SEE!!! ITS ANCIENT! ITS DIRTY!! IT WAS IN THE FOREST AND GOD SPOKE TO ME!!! I SWEAR!!"


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2084063 - 11/08/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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*takes notes ...144,000.....*

got it :grin: 




Are you really gonna tell her that?
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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ummikko]
    #2084101 - 11/08/03 01:36 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Okay the :grin: didn't load at first so probably not...
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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ummikko]
    #2084128 - 11/08/03 01:46 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

no, probably not....but the thought did briefly cross my mind.... :lol:

would be kinda funny to see the reaction i get 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2084193 - 11/08/03 02:12 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Then again, if she thought you were amongst the chosen ones, your chances of scoring would rise drastically. :evil:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2084254 - 11/08/03 02:30 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i'm gonna bet $100 you don't even get an over-the-jersey feel. forget it. unless you think she's worth the hassle, and you really want to deal with all that baggage, move on. let someone else waste their time trying to rescue her - uberchristians date other uberchristians. normal people should walk away.

that said, it is fun to take the piss out of religious people with no sense of humour or reality. for about 5 minutes....


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ]
    #2084371 - 11/08/03 03:11 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"?
well, he wrote a book, and claimed that it was an ancient text that God told him to find in the 'new land'

the book had some horrible inconsistencies, but w/e
i can just imagine some bearded freak running out of the forest with a dirt-covered new book,
screaming "I HAVE FOUND IT!! THE NEW BIBLE! SEE!!! ITS ANCIENT! ITS DIRTY!! IT WAS IN THE FOREST AND GOD SPOKE TO ME!!! I SWEAR!!" " About 90% of what you just said ,you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.Get youre facts strait before you start fantasizing


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: shirley knott]
    #2084391 - 11/08/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

i'm gonna bet $100 you don't even get an over-the-jersey feel.




im sure your right....and im sure ill get bored of this whole situation about 10 minutes into this little meeting on tuesday, but i decided to give it a shot...im having fun, and for a goody goody JW, she sure dresses like a slut! :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2085241 - 11/08/03 08:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The same can be said of Nazis and the KKK. Well, I guess it doesn't matter what you believe, just that you truly believe in it, right? I mean, if you are going to show hatred towards minority groups, no sense in doing it half-assed, right? Put some passion in those beliefs!!!

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Yes some Nazi's believed in what they were doing. A lot of them however were afraid of what Hitler would do to them and their family. Most people will do just about anything to stay alive.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2085253 - 11/08/03 08:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I consider them extremists because they want to push their faith on me.

Anybody that wants to affect me with their religious affiliation gets the same.



As annoying as it may be in their eyes they're trying to save you. I'm not saying I wouldn't be annoyed but at the same time it's nice to see people who truly stand up for what they believe in, even if I don't agree.






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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ]
    #2088927 - 11/10/03 09:16 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)


i'm with a girl since over 3 years that was a Jehovah's winesses. She was living pretty far away from the big town, got excluded, had to run away from family, learnt the hard way how the big city works and now she's doing fine.

Not to mention her mom refused to talk to her for so much time. At the time she was still living with family and was excluded, her mom, she couldn't even eat at the same table. She decided to leave this place and got no contact for 4 years.

Now her parents are so fuckin happy to see her once in a while. Losing a child makes you think twice about your beliefs. The whole family is still messed up and they have a hard time getting close .

sick shit..

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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: fIsh in my head]
    #2089603 - 11/10/03 02:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

A large portion of my extended family is JW. Because of this I seriously resent the religion. I have a hard time thinking of it as a quaint but vaguely sad little religion when I've seen all the damage it's done to people I love.

My mother was raised JW and it did a lot to spiritually and emotionally crush her. She's still healing from it and she's been out of it for at least 25-30 years. My aunts that are still in it believe that my mother and I are evil sinners, that they're better than us. It's impossible to say anything without them mentioning Jehovah or the bible. My cousin has been recently sucked back in and she'll lieky be getting married in the next year (she's barely 20.)

This religion has stolen my family, and many childhoods. It perverts innocence with guilt and preys on the weak and fearful.

Anyways, that's how I feel based on a lifetime of being separated from those who I should be very close to, and then being preached at and judged harshly when we have gotten together.

Good luck with you bible meeting Wrestler;) And hey, if you can make the girl question that's a huge step. The religion doesn't tolerate questioning from confirmed members so most adherents cut anything out of their life that will make them less sure of thier faith.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2110170 - 11/15/03 09:09 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

She is gonna fuck you.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2110575 - 11/16/03 12:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

First you shooudl telll her you just want to bone her.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2111245 - 11/16/03 10:45 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

So when is the bible study meeting? I keep checking this thread to find out what happened, but all I find are lame replies. Can you change the thread title to *UPDATED* or start a new thread once it happens? Good luck with her man.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #2111411 - 11/16/03 12:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I agree I keep waiting to see what Happened and so far nothing!!!

I need my soap opra dammit or perhaps this is part of the tale? They kidnapped him and are brainwashing him into being a JW as we type?

Hmm i'm going to have to browse the JW fourms and find that "I met a cute sinner at the bus stop today " thread!


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #2111420 - 11/16/03 12:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah dude.

Where is the updates?


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Phoshaman]
    #2118818 - 11/18/03 12:52 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

actually a lot of what dude posted about mormons is right on..
he claimed he was shown these crazy tablets, with new stuff god wanted us to know, in a language only he knew.. so he copied them into english..
.. then they disappeared, back to heaven, since he had his copy..
... convieniently..
so he a copy of this shizzle, that he wrote, but told everyone he copied off this thing god showed him, and that they were going to go live in Utah, by a giant salty lake, which was their chosen land
and people believed him, and thought it was a good idea to go live in a barren wasteland
and there's a whole lot of really really crazy shit mixed in there. when you get the whole story, really, it makes mormons look bad that they can believe it all...
of course all the people i know who were raised mormons are now totally nuts, wild, and crazy, and totally drugged out heh


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: bok]
    #2118912 - 11/18/03 01:56 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hey,sorry for keeping all of you guys hanging like that! i got caught up in all the OTD drama, plus schools being a real bitch....



anyway....all the suspence and anticipation is just going to have to continue for the moment...i had some shit happen (family issues) that put this little experiment on hold for a while....

the bible study thing was supposed to be last tuesday...im gonna call her tomorrow and hopefully by next week i will be able to give you guys your daily dose of dramma.... :tongue: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2135274 - 11/25/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Any progress here wrestler?
I'm craving for updates... :smile:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ummikko]
    #2136556 - 11/25/03 11:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Sad truth is she's not going to fuck you untill you convert.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2256760 - 01/20/04 04:37 PM (20 years, 12 days ago)

Wow i know this post is way late but it's still within 6 months of the last. I was very very interested in Mormons (i didn't want to become one) but i was kinda interested how some religion could just spring up in Utah and be found nowhere else in the world. So i did some research.

You guy's keep talking about "The Bible" but according to Jehovah's Witnesses or "Mormons" They have their own bible which comes as the surpeme all correct version Written by Joseph Smith who was a crack pot. Supposedly Joseph Smith had seer stones (as well as divining rods). So the Bible that we know of "The Old Testament" and "The New Testament" (if your christian) is not the one they follow mainly. They follow the Book of Mormon. The Bible comes secondary to the Book of Mormon, and is highly contradictive to the Bible.

Did you know:
-Mormons believe God was flesh and bone before he was God (not just as jesus was)

-Anyone can become a God

These are some of the lesser known facts of Mormonism because Mormonism tries to purport itself as Christianity as sort of a PR method, but in reality it's not.

Supposedly Joseph Smith after being a crackpot was given a divine message of gold tablets containing the book of mormon on them were buried in NY, so he went to go get them .Using his seer stones he could read the tablets and said to a scribe what to write. According to Mormons the book of Mormon is all correct and perfect in everyrespect, because it was not written by man, but by God.

However, the book of Mormon has been corrected more times than my 3rd grade english paper. For simple things like the use of A and An, as well as claiming "King Benjamin" did this and that, yet at the times it says King Benjamin did this and that he was already dead so they had to Change it to King someoneelse.

I got really into debunking this Cult. Sorry for Digging up old threads..


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: neuro]
    #2256895 - 01/20/04 05:14 PM (20 years, 12 days ago)

I don't know if this is what you meant or not, but Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses are 2 different religions, but they both knock on doors.

Mormons believe that there was a second coming of Christ here in the new world (before it was"discovered") and that an account of this was written on the golden plates of mormon.  Joseph Smith is said to have translated the writing on these plates (which nobody else EVER saw BTW, and keep in mind this was 100-150 years ago, not 2000, so I don't know where they could've gone.)  But anywho, the translation is the book of Mormon.

Basically, JS wanted to get the hell outta dodge, so he made up a religion, recruited some people, and hiked off across the plains to settle in the happy valley now known as Salt Lake City.  and what a happy place it is.  :rolleyes:


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    #2277657 - 01/27/04 01:15 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Whoops i was baked and was reading this thread thinking it was Mormons the whole time..

Disregard my other ramblings in my last post.


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    #2278253 - 01/27/04 04:25 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

i'm good.  :grin:


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2279626 - 01/28/04 12:56 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

General reply


I laugh hard at JW's and Mormons. But I laugh much louder at Christians and other religiosn that laugh at them. You think you've found some non-crock o' shit religion? Unless you're an athiest, you can't play with us shit slingers!


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2280171 - 01/28/04 09:14 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

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sir tripsalot said:
I laugh hard at JW's and Mormons. But I laugh much louder at Christians and other religiosn that laugh at them. You think you've found some non-crock o' shit religion? Unless you're an athiest, you can't play with us shit slingers!



And you think atheism isn't a crock of shit as well? :lol: How can you be so sure there isn't a God?


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2280195 - 01/28/04 09:32 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

Because it's the simplest most reasonable explanation for the world I see,
and until someone comes up with a theory that explains the world better, or makes more sense, I'll stick to my atheism.

[bitterness]
It's like creationism versus rational thought. You can believe all the fossils were placed here as some sort elaborate divine ruse, and support it with an ever-expanding web of increasingly elaborate and irrational pseudo science, or you can take the infinitely simpler position that they're just DEAD ANIMALS..

You can either pretend some gigantic unfathomable yet benevolent being has some REASON for all of the chaos that makes up our world, or you can just accept it's all a gigantic crapshoot and move on.
[/bitterness]

Although, you're right, I can't completely eliminate God's existance as a possibility, because He could be unprovable by nature, which Christianity claims He is. If that's the case, though, that means He can exert no influence on the world that can't be more simply explained by science, and thus, who gives a shit?

Perhaps some cosmic force STARTED all of this, but the second the singularity ended, it became, and most likely will forever remain, complete fucking chaos.

In short: God may exist, but I have no reason to give a fuck.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2280219 - 01/28/04 09:40 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

maybe youre god and all the stuff you see and feel is in your mind, and all the evidance otherwise was created by your mind to keep you oblivious in this dream so you wouldnt feel lonely and i nfinate as all-one, a spiraling chaos. makes sence to me, more sence than the universe existing at all dont you think?


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    #2280231 - 01/28/04 09:44 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

I'm not just talking about the Christian God, I mean any God. Some divine power controlling the universe, possibly by creating the laws of physics which govern the universe. God could be inseparable from the universe and actually be a part of it. I think a lot of people, when saying they don't believe in God, get too hung up on the traditional Judeo-Christian idea of God.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2280256 - 01/28/04 09:57 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

Mitchnast: Yeah, maybe that's true, but that belief isn't any simpler than just accepting the world until something happens that provokes a new theory.

That IS, however, a pretty interesting view. If I was God, i wouldn't want to know it. Such a burden all of the hope and joy and fear and pain of the entire universe, such loneliness, being only one God. I dunno, i'd probably do smack.

SS7: The same logic applies to any other god, not just a Christian one. Until the belief in ANY god is shown to be the simplest explanation, I won't accept it.

I agree with you, though, in that many self-described "atheists" in America are merely stating their rejection of the religion that they feel has been pushed on them, Christianity. Rest assured, though, [u]I[/u], at least, am a complete heathen.


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    #2280264 - 01/28/04 09:59 AM (20 years, 4 days ago)

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That IS, however, a pretty interesting view. If I was God, i wouldn't want to know it. Such a burden all of the hope and joy and fear and pain of the entire universe, such loneliness, being only one God. I dunno, i'd probably do smack.



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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2281043 - 01/28/04 02:10 PM (20 years, 4 days ago)





You're forgetting the fact that we are ALL God.





That's certainly debatable.

I should have used the term Secular Humanist rather than Athiest because it doesn't suggest a refusal to believe in god as much, but rather a " nobody knows so quit claiming you do" attitude. That's more of my belief. Although I do hold the scientifc method in higher regard than religious methods"god says so".

I just find it irritating that somebody who believes Mary had a kid without getting rammed by Joseph, and the kid died and came back to life and turned water into wine and walked on water...Would have the ghall to say Joho's have wacky beliefs.


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: wrestler_az]
    #2335647 - 02/14/04 09:01 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

did you stick it in her yet?


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