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Would you kill a child to save humanity?
    #1444486 - 04/09/03 10:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Something that crosses my mind all too often.

How many of us would be willing to take the life of a completely innocent human being, a child, if it could save the human race? I know I could. I know I would strangle an eight year old with my bare hands if it mean saving even a thousand people.

What would you do, given the choice?


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1444540 - 04/09/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

In a split second need to decide life scenario...saaay -a mad man witha bomb is standing on the edge of the roof of a building holding a child hostage and a bomb with enough high explosives to destroy the building killing thousands..if I shoot him he would fall off the edge child bomb and all and explode killing less or no other people, yet the child and mad man die either way-the countdown has three seconds on it- last chance to shoot and have the sequence of consequences needed to justify(to self) your "logical decision"
What do I do?

I cant say.

in a thought out non reflex situation I may say no.
My belief is that this scenario would never arise..and if it did it would be some form of lifes self-evolving test. and the answer would be there if you are part of it..which of course we all are therefore the answer would be plain whether it seemed so or not.
It is a very good philosophical question that I have seen arise many times,
probally because of our facination with riddles and paradoxes..where reason and dogmatic pre-programmed paradigms clash..yet


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1444555 - 04/09/03 10:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I like the movie swordfish.

One of the quotes in the movie were he discusses exactly what your talking about.



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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1444570 - 04/09/03 10:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'll choke this infant here before me.


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Murex]
    #1444590 - 04/09/03 10:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

*nods to murex*

Yeah, johnny. I was disgusted when the guy said he wouldnt do it...


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1444670 - 04/09/03 11:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i had a great discussion about this in my german class. Take for example the capos (jewish guard workers on high terms with the nazis...). in the concentration camps. they did favors for them, and they killed there own people to save their own life. would you let 1000 people die to save your own ass, or would you run and kick and scream as long as you could?

are you a spider man? do you consider breaking the bounds?


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1444686 - 04/09/03 11:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

if i was in a concetration camp.. id kill whoever to live. much different context compared to day to day life though.


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1444776 - 04/09/03 11:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well, because people always forfeitied responsibility in their everyday life, they were led like cattle to concentration camps. Then their were those oppertunistic ones who became the capos and killed their own people to surive. I mean i could see by lack of knowledge and all that.

would you let your own child die if you knew it was going to die either way, and that if you claimed it as your own you would die too? could you leave your child behind?

this reminds me of when my friends and I have asked the questions... say you were a straight guy and all. would you fuck some old man for a billion dollars or any ammount of money?

is money more important to you than your dignity?

say you have the choice to kill the baby and save the 1000 people or kill yourself and save them... what would you choose?

i think they are good test questions, but i wouldnt take them too far!


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1444816 - 04/10/03 12:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

funny, or maybe its the point, would child slaughter not destroy humanity then? if humanity was saved due to an inhumain act, then the result would be a thuroughly tainted humanity, a non-humanity, letting the child live and causing the destruction of the human race would exonerate mankind for its inhumanity, humanity would become immortal as it could never be degraded further, therefore i would NOT kill the child to save humanity, as that is impossible.

humanity and the human race are very diffrent and separate things, and in my experience, dont mix


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1444865 - 04/10/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

would you fuck some old man for a billion dollars or any ammount of money?

That should be an obsticle on Fear Factor.  :grin:


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Murex]
    #1444926 - 04/10/03 12:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

see how fucked up people really are, and how desperate they are willing to show everyone else? lol... o shit thats sad to think some people might do that. *shudders* .


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1444936 - 04/10/03 12:30 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

thats what i was thinking. my indecision would probably leave everyone dead, and me sitting with my eyes dropped open glared with water filled inside. i dont think i would bring myself to shoot the kid, seeing as what you said, i think thats what i would think of. and thats what i think of now.



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Edited by Zero7a1 (04/10/03 12:39 AM)


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1444982 - 04/10/03 12:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i would enjoy the feeling of destroying the world very much so, but not as much as killing the baby.


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1445214 - 04/10/03 01:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

When the end justifies the means evil begins.


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1445326 - 04/10/03 01:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

In a heartbeat.


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1445492 - 04/10/03 03:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

to save humanity I would kill the child and possibly myself as punishment for murder :smile:


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1445512 - 04/10/03 03:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, but would you choke your chicken, thus potentially extinguishing millions of lives?


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1445640 - 04/10/03 04:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

funny, or maybe its the point, would child slaughter not destroy humanity then? if humanity was saved due to an inhumain act, then the result would be a thuroughly tainted humanity, a non-humanity, letting the child live and causing the destruction of the human race would exonerate mankind for its inhumanity, humanity would become immortal as it could never be degraded further, therefore i would NOT kill the child to save humanity, as that is impossible.

humanity and the human race are very diffrent and separate things, and in my experience, dont mix




thats exactly what i was going to say


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: Swami]
    #1446084 - 04/10/03 11:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Yes, but would you choke your chicken, thus potentially extinguishing millions of lives?




Every day , sometimes twice


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Re: Would you kill a child to save humanity? [Re: ]
    #1446169 - 04/10/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Being eternally skeptical, I fail to see how such an act could save humanity - I could never be convinced of this. Additionally, I find the killing of the innocent to be immoral. I would not do it. It is not my place to save humanity, it cannot be done by abandoning the qualities of being humane.


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