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Re: Killing. [Re: TheMimeKing]
    #1992445 - 10/09/03 08:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Killing is part of what humans are.

its not part of me... is it part of you? how many people have you killed?

i'll say that violence is an inherit trait that we posses based on our basic needs for survival, but equated this with the need for war is ridiculous.

We can talk about the justification of it all day long, but the fact is, its going to happen all the same.

pitiful. why try to change ANYTHING.. then? just accept the most horrible aspect of humanity and be done with it? what a cop out.

There's no right or wrong in war.

after already establishing that its not worth thinking about, how did you come to such a profound moral decision?





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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1992647 - 10/09/03 10:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:sigh:



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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1992848 - 10/09/03 11:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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pitiful. why try to change  ANYTHING.. then? just accept the most horrible aspect of humanity and be done with it? what a cop out.

...after already establishing that its not worth thinking about, how did you come to such a profound moral decision?
 




Duh, because George Bush told me to think all of that. By the way, what the hell is a "moral" decision? Is that one of those fancy new words? :grin:
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Re: Killing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1992935 - 10/09/03 12:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What would happen if we voted 'Michael Moore' into office?.....Hmmm.....


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Re: Killing. [Re: Spokesman]
    #1992951 - 10/09/03 12:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What would happen if we voted 'Michael Moore' into office?.....Hmmm..... 




Who the HELL is that? :grin:
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Re: Killing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1992960 - 10/09/03 12:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Killing. [Re: Spokesman]
    #1993000 - 10/09/03 01:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh... he's my man!! I have always thought that perhaps Bin Ladin was employed by Bush to carry out the terrorist attacks, and then was offered exile and seclusion wherever the hell he is.. same with Saddam.
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Re: Killing. [Re: Spokesman]
    #1993398 - 10/09/03 03:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

michael moore is a fucking idiot. he is a scumbag and liar.


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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1993442 - 10/09/03 03:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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michael moore is a fucking idiot. he is a scumbag and liar. 




George Bush is a fucking idiot. he is a scumbag and liar.

Hey, as long as we are starting to get short and sweet.....
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Re: Killing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1993551 - 10/09/03 03:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Go back to bed america, your government is under control.


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Re: Killing. [Re: tak]
    #1993646 - 10/09/03 04:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"how many people have you killed"

none. How many animals have been killed that you ate part of? how many plants were killed to feed the animal, and to feed you? Death is part of life. Accept it. Morality based on pity is rediculous.


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Re: Killing. [Re: domite]
    #1994062 - 10/09/03 05:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

none. How many animals have been killed that you ate part of? how many plants were killed to feed the animal, and to feed you? Death is part of life. Accept it.

so killing animals for food is the same as killing my neighbor because i hate him?

CHECK- death is part of life

Morality based on pity is rediculous

how about basing morality on the value of human life?



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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1994123 - 10/09/03 06:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

mushmaster said: "nothing is really right or wrong. we're just self-replicating, intelligent bundles of chemicals on the surface of some rock hurtling through space- what we do, or don't do, really doesn't matter in the end. right and wrong are not rules of the universe; they are just something we as humans invent. "right" and "wrong" are social expedients we develop as humans for our group existance. if there were no people, there would be no such thing as "wrong". nor would there be if there were one person on the planet, or two hopelessly seperatad by distance. the idea of things that are "wrong" is something we invent to govern human interactions in groups (2 or more)..."

Are you absolutely sure about that? Are you omniscient? What else told you this except for your own reason?

This premise is almost laughable.

If a little baby is mangled by another person, is this wrong?

Many seem to think religious zealots are dangerous. But how about people who postulate inane drivel such as this?

Dangerous minds...


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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1994130 - 10/09/03 06:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Violence is a part of what humans are. So is laziness. So this probably means we have to sit on our asses all day, getting up only for food, drink and the occasional manslaughter? Please, even I won't claim that to be true.

War is morally wrong because and it takes away the one thing each human being has, regardless of race, gender, mutations, and/or talents: life itself. It's the most precious gift any of us will ever receive in our corporeal form, and no one has the right to take away anyone else's existance in any circumstance other than you being left on a this planet with only other humans to eat. And still, in that situation I'd personally prefer dying to eating a fellow man.

Pity, a component of empathy, is what is missing in this world. If society stressed empathy more than repression and labelism, the world would greatly improve.


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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1994164 - 10/09/03 06:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

just a thought here. would it be worse to kill a neighbor for food or an animal because you hate it?

what makes a human life more valuable than an animal's life? aren't humans animals too?



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Re: Killing. [Re: Alan Stone]
    #1994176 - 10/09/03 06:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

amen, Alan!

I believe murder and rape is wrong, because you are taking something away that cannot be fixed or replaced. People who do such things are infringing on the sacred right of another person.


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Re: Killing. [Re: catalyst777]
    #1998021 - 10/10/03 06:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are you absolutely sure about that? Are you omniscient? What else told you this except for your own reason?

as far as i'm aware, the statement is consistant with currect scientific observations... if i'm incorrect about that, or i'm using faulty reasoning, tell me about it...

This premise is almost laughable.

instead of just saying that ^.

If a little baby is mangled by another person, is this wrong?

what does it mean for something to be "wrong"? where does "wrong" come from?


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Re: Killing. [Re: tak]
    #1998660 - 10/10/03 10:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Evolution bread us to be killers. Millions of years of it. Just go look at nature to see this. Territorial battles ending in death are common and no the exeption.

I'm not justifying what governments do or don't do. I just talking about killing in general. Peopl;e who are not willing to give their life or take another to protect the people that they love are just selfish IMO. Would you not kill or be killed to save the life of your daughter or wife.



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Re: Killing. [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1999160 - 10/11/03 03:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not justifying what governments do or don't do. I just talking about killing in general. Peopl;e who are not willing to give their life or take another to protect the people that they love are just selfish IMO. Would you not kill or be killed to save the life of your daughter or wife.

what does love have to do with the right to kill? an irrational emotion used to justify the need to kill. i love the logic of humanity!


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Re: Killing. [Re: ]
    #1999180 - 10/11/03 03:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there is nothing wrong with killing. the problem is murder. most people dont understand the difference. for instance, the bible doesnt say "thou shalt not kill." in fact, killing has been advocated throughout history for certain things.


Ps- the bible says "thou shalt not do murder." kill was a misinterpretation in the first bibles of the 1500's


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