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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness * 2
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So I think this is quite interesting, it's something they have in Zen and it seems pretty different from Buddhist mindfulness practice.

When attending the actual you are looking for the "truth" or you could say "remembering what is right now". The "truth" is that which cannot be simpler. It's the obvious realization of the moment without seeking anything special "Oh, it's all bullshit there is only THIS". Not a source not nothing not the infinite just THIS.

The difference here is that mindfulness is like a relaxation or deep state technique, you keep coming back to the breath away from thoughts. When attending the actual you are looking at the deep simplicity, thought is considered just another sense organ of no more relevance than any other sense. So instead of looking for something within thought (illusion) you are constantly attending the moment. When attending the actual you will find instead of getting into deep states the mind gains clarity, less of an unconscious haze.

We are constantly looking right at that hazy fog of the unconscious self in order to break free of it. This is best done with piercing ferocity and fervent madness to get free from the haze, to bust out of the dream state at all cost.

This is a very difficult technique to master unless you have an anchor. Typing IMO is the best anchor one can use for it. It's not so much important what you type, its just auto typing, type tonnes of thoughts and questions and just keep attending the actuality of the whole of what is happening; seeing the words and the moment for what it is, remember thought is considered just another sense here so it's of no particular meaning to the practice.

The mind is very sneaky and will try to avoid what is with all its might, this is because what is is the ultimate let down to the ego, the moment cannot be anything else other than the total obliteration of dreams and future promise so the ego is very scared of it and you will want to stop the practice at all times.


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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: Grapefruit]
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Very interesting distinction.  I go to school by this park and sometimes walk out after class and sit and just listen to whatever is out there; sitting in my room and trying to meditate is very difficult for a beginner like me so I find this to be much easier and much more effective.  Instead of trying to shrink into my subconscious, it is instead about quieting the mind enough to tune in to everything around me.  It's amazing how far you can extend your awareness (especially with smell and hearing) without even trying.


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"There was a time when I could not find, the spirit of God BEYOND the mind.  In retrospect the intellect is blind, it makes me think that I'm, the reason for all that's mine, even this rhyme I'm inclined to believe is from me, instead of being received. This is how we're deceived.  How am I more than dust? when it's your love that animates us?  Forever I will trust. Your love is better than lust. You. Live. Forever In Us." KRS ONE

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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: Boozerguyzer]
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sweet post! :thumbup:

It wasn't until I got into meditation and the different techniques (+ toking bud and munching mush :tongue2:) when I realized I had basically been meditating for years through lucid typing.  I've never known someone to have this same outlook using writing as an anchor of sorts, so kudos!  I suspect this is why some people subconsciously enjoy keeping journals- so we can see our thoughts and realize a bigger picture.  Your method is a bit more direct.  I would recommend this technique to anyone, especially if you are having a hard time quieting your thoughts.


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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: creationdivine]
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This technique is about truth realization, you don't really get any benefits from it untill the simple truth of the moment is realized (zen call this passing through the gateless gate). If you want to go ahead with it it's best to be off like a lightning bolt on the path of destruction. :satansmoking: (read jed mckenna for more info)

I would even go so far as to say it really has nothing to do with quieting the mind, the final moment before I had the gateless gate realization was literally just a huge mental breakdown and utter defeat.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

Edited by Grapefruit (03/10/11 02:00 PM)

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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: Grapefruit]
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"Welcome to the real world Neo."

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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: teknix]
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I mention quieting the mind because when I formally write the process is generally more censored.  If I want to get a point across I generally over think what I'm trying to write.  When I let myself truly be in my writing, when I'm not writing for anyone but me, that's when the real exploration and truths take form.  From there breakdown will inevitably come, and it ultimately stops the mind from judging so much and seeing what is.


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Re: On the difference between attending the actual and mindfulness [Re: Boozerguyzer]
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Boozerguyzer said:
Very interesting distinction.  I go to school by this park and sometimes walk out after class and sit and just listen to whatever is out there; sitting in my room and trying to meditate is very difficult for a beginner like me so I find this to be much easier and much more effective.  Instead of trying to shrink into my subconscious, it is instead about quieting the mind enough to tune in to everything around me.  It's amazing how far you can extend your awareness (especially with smell and hearing) without even trying.



That's one of the best ways to begin mediating. Its important to build a solid foundation for later and deeper work without jumping in the deep end from the start. Try just being aware of the present moment, everything that arises no matter what it is, even thoughts - as long as you remain in the present moment. It's harder then it sounds as the mind (or at least mine) is always jumping to the past or future playing out scenarios in the mind. Simply having the ability to really be aware of what is going on in this moment is pretty amazing. From there you can move on into silent awareness of the present moment.

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