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Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc.
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Note: this is a spillover from the Organic thread.

We can (and will) go on and forever on this subject tossing around opinion after opinion. But here is the crux: not one researcher has ever shown there to be an X factor (love/pixie dust/vibrations) in a natural substance vs. a synthetic substance of the same composition.

Mimic a natual substance with the same arrangement and proportion of molecules and the two become indistinguishable.

END OF STORY!


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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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But natural substances make us feel good about ourselves. 

Consuming synthetic substances doesnt provide that pat on the back smug self satisfaction that I get when I consume natural substances. 

Plus, natural substances are just better for you - I know, my eyes and mind opened when I was on acid.

Edited by DieCommie (01/07/11 01:55 PM)

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: DieCommie]
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I always get a kick out of someone proclaiming that they smoke weed because "it's natural" but they would never smoke nasty meth because it's artificial and made with "battery acid".

Nevermind that battery acid (sulfuric acid) is a commonly used substance in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals.

And the kicker: meth is natural. It's probably made by at least two known species of Acacia plants. Dr. Shulgin thinks it's probably made by several other plants as well.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
But natural substances make us feel good about ourselves. 

Consuming synthetic substances doesnt provide that pat on the back smug self satisfaction that I get when I consume natural substances. 

Plus, natural substances are just better for you - I know, my eyes and mind opened when I was on acid.



Was that orange sunshine?  Fresh from nature.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
I always get a kick out of someone proclaiming that they smoke weed because "it's natural" but they would never smoke nasty meth because it's artificial and made with "battery acid".

Nevermind that battery acid (sulfuric acid) is a commonly used substance in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals.

And the kicker: meth is natural. It's probably made by at least two known species of Acacia plants. Dr. Shulgin thinks it's probably made by several other plants as well.


How do you explain the dramatic change in appearance after meth?


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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: HippieChick8]
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Meth is hardcore.  It has nothing to do with natural or not though.  According to Diploid's post, it is natural.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Of course, but not all synthetics manufacturers are fastidious about separation of isomers and other by products of synthesis that are toxic.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: falcon]
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Nor are plants necessarily free of toxins and other harmful chemicals.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: HippieChick8]
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HippieChick8 said:
Diploid said:
I always get a kick out of someone proclaiming that they smoke weed because "it's natural" but they would never smoke nasty meth because it's artificial and made with "battery acid".

Nevermind that battery acid (sulfuric acid) is a commonly used substance in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals.

And the kicker: meth is natural. It's probably made by at least two known species of Acacia plants. Dr. Shulgin thinks it's probably made by several other plants as well.


How do you explain the dramatic change in appearance after meth?




She is also an alcoholic.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Nor are plants necessarily free of toxins and other harmful chemicals.


Yep.


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Rhaz said:
        I think consciousness is impersonal and the body as well but for the history and tendencies of the body/intelligence process, which are things about our being, the personal, but don't necessarily define our being.
 


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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: falcon]
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So how is looking at the distinction between natural or unnatural useful at all?  Better to actually see what is good and what is bad regardless of if its 'natural'.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: falcon] * 1
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She is also an alcoholic.


And probably smoking cigarettes like no one's business.

Just another disguised suicide mission.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: DieCommie]
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With common foods that are considered natural you have a longer history of use as food and the risks associated with ingestion are better known. If the compositions are identical, though there is no difference and it's just a question of good or bad.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: Tropism]
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Tropism said:
Quote:
She is also an alcoholic.


And probably smoking cigarettes like no one's business.

Just another disguised suicide mission.



She also will have sex with liberals and does not eat organic. There is so much wrong with her.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: Icelander]
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There is so much wrong with her.

Yeah I bet she's a republican. :whoa:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
So how is looking at the distinction between natural or unnatural useful at all?  Better to actually see what is good and what is bad regardless of if its 'natural'.


This.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Mimic a natual substance with the same arrangement and proportion of molecules and the two become indistinguishable.

END OF STORY!


I'm waiting for synthetic breasts like this... not attached to me of course.


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Lois, this family believes in the Easter Bunny.  He died for our sins in that helicopter crash.  Now, if you wanna go to hell, that's fine, but don't drag the rest of us down with you like a mentally handicapped rooster.
- Peter Griffin (Family Guy)

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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: MutantBonobo]
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Why would you want synthetic breasts that sag to the belly button? :confused:


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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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There is a difference between natural and artificial substances. Natural ones have been tested for generations and generations for thousands of years, and indigenous cultures all over the world have had many generations to find out which natural substances are toxic.

Artificial substances in our foods mostly have been around for one, maybe two, at most three generations and many toxic effects are not properly understood, particularly due to the many medications people can use to inhibit obvious symptoms.


This is not an absolute distinction between natural/unnatural substances - it is merely a means to understand why there is a distinction made in the first place.

Many people then take the distinction and do the wrong thing with it. For example, being natural does not make something better than something unnatural. It merely increases the likelihood that someone has found out whether or not it is safe or unsafe to eat.


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Re: Natural vs, unnatural or synthetic chemicals/foods/drugs etc. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Mimic a natual substance with the same arrangement and proportion of molecules and the two become indistinguishable.

END OF STORY!


Problem is that there are so many different molecules in any given plant that it is very hard to get all the molecules in a synthetic fertilizer. Synthetic fertilizers are reduced to only three things: nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium. It's extremely naive to think that those are the only nutrients that plants need. Even if scientists did make an attempt add a few more nutrients to a fertilizer, it would be extremely hard to get every trace nutrient. I know that when growing tea, the soil is extremely important in determining the quality of the tea. Indian tea is given a different grade than Chinese tea even though both soils have nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium.

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