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Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: Sclorch]
    #910899 - 09/26/02 09:22 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Tel-o-meres are those tiny TVs with the 3" screen.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: Sclorch]
    #910920 - 09/26/02 09:27 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Actually one of the biggest hopes in longevity research is to contol or modify the enzyme that snips the telomere. Cancer may actually provide the answer! Cancer cells are believed to be theoretically immortal as their telomeres are NOT snipped after each cellular reproduction cycle as with normal cells.



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InvisiblethePatient
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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: Swami]
    #910964 - 09/26/02 09:47 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Wouldnt it make sense that whatever is killing us, might actually mutate or evolve us? No? Ok, maybe not.  :confused: :confused: 


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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #911595 - 09/27/02 04:10 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think we are, i KNOW we are


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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #912436 - 09/27/02 02:08 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I think this discusion is very generalistic. What is "unnatural" anyway ? Wich perspective of the word is everybody argueing ?
I don't get how people can describe killing 500000 people as being unnatural, it's stupid and outrageous but it has nothing to do about being considered, as a whole, natural or not . If you ask me about a biological perpective then it's natural, man has a killing nature (note the word nature refering as to being natural in this terms), it is still needed as a weapon for survival. The social perspective about the issue has shaped us regarding the biological aspect, killing people can be considered "unnatural" by modern society and thus not permited, on the other hand you have countries where killing is a punishment or even countries where killing is seen as a common practice when "needed".
So, what is natural, i believe it's just a conception (as we need to conceptualize reality). If we see reality as a construction of nature, everything we see and exists is natural, so how can we consider the existence of something "unnatural" ?
1- Belief - unseen something, "I believe in god".
2- Knowlodge - seen something but misses the laws of nature, "i saw a ghost".
The problem here is our conception of the word "natural" and its evolution. Back in the midle ages, if you asked someone if flying was considered "unnatural" for man, he would respond "it is unnatural, man was not made to fly". Today we consider flying a very natural thing, although we are not ready biologicaly to fly we do it, is the social concept of the word "natural" evolving as we evolve, the social concept tends to diminuish the biological concept as we find ways to know better our reality (nature) and to change it as well, it's ..... natural  :wink: .

MAIA


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: MAIA]
    #913216 - 09/27/02 07:19 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I totally agree with you.

Saying something is "natural" is about as meaningless as arguing over human nature.

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Re: Unnatural = Nonexistent [Re: In(di)go]
    #914639 - 09/28/02 10:45 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

i don't think we are, i KNOW we are




then explain what you "know"


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