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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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Well your standards are wrong.



Best debate ever. :eek:


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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: MushroomTrip]
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From Atheism - Wikipedia:
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Atheism can be either the rejection of theism...


:stoned:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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your point is... :confused:


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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: MushroomTrip]
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That Atheism isn't a religion, but rather, it's the rejection of religion(s) in general.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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The focus of religion doesn't have to be a god (i.e. buddhism)


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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I've read that whether or not Buddhism can be considered a religion is debatable.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (01/03/10 06:42 PM)

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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"Well your standards are wrong."

To you.

"No, I already told you that I am aware that there are several sects of the religion of Islam, but that this fact doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot be clumped into one general group, since there are obviously some fundamental similarities between all of the sects."

And what do you propose be done to this "one group" about their relation to this act? 

"I am not joking at all, and I know for a fact that the Koran has passages which practically orders its practitioners to kill other non-Muslims. If you don't believe me, or are otherwise unaware of this fact, then I will provide you with a source."

And the Bible has plenty of passages which condone killing as well, so long as God tells you to do it.  There is a big difference between believing in the religion and believing in every single thing in the book.  Different sects pick and choose their flavors, which is another reason why it is dumb to make them all into one group in this situation.  Some sects may be more peaceful than you are, should they be looked down on for their relationship to this act?

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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How so?


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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: MushroomTrip]
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From Buddhism - Religion Or Philosophy?:
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Is Buddhism a religion or a philosophy?

The Buddha referred to his teachings simply as Dhamma-vinaya - "the doctrine and discipline" - but for centuries people have tried to categorize the teachings in various ways, trying to fit them into the prevailing molds of cultural, philosophical, and religious thought. Buddhism is an ethical system - a way of life - that leads to a very specific goal and that possesses some aspects of both religion and philosophy:
It is a philosophy.
Like most philosophies, Buddhism attempts to frame the complexities of human existence in a way that reassures us that there is, in fact, some underlying order to the Universe. In the Four Noble Truths the Buddha crisply summarizes our predicament: there is suffering, it has a cause, it has an end, and there is a way to reach the end. The teachings on kamma provide a thorough and logically self-consistent description of the nature of cause-and-effect. And even the Buddhist view of cosmology, which some may at first find farfetched, is a logical extension of the law of kamma. According to the Dhamma, a deep and unshakable logic pervades the world.

It is not a philosophy.
Unlike most philosophical systems, which rely on speculation and the power of reason to arrive at certain kinds of logical truths, Buddhism relies on the direct observation of one's personal experience and on honing certain skills in order to gain true understanding and wisdom. Idle speculation has no place in Buddhist practice. Although studying in the classroom, reading books, and engaging in spirited debate can play a vital part in developing a cognitive understanding of basic Buddhist concepts, the heart of Buddhism can never be realized this way. The Dharmma is not an abstract system of thought designed to delight the intellect; it is a roadmap to be used, one whose essential purpose is to lead the practitioner to the ultimate goal, nibbana.

It is a religion.
At the heart of each of the world's great religions lies a transcendent ideal around which its doctrinal principles orbit. In Buddhism this truth is nibbana, the hallmark of the cessation of suffering and stress, a truth of utter transcendence that stands in singular distinction from anything we might encounter in our ordinary sensory experience. Nibbana is the sine qua non of Buddhism, the guiding star and ultimate goal towards which all the Buddha's teachings point. Because it aims at such a lofty transcendent ideal, we might fairly call Buddhism a religion.

It is not a religion.
In stark contrast to the world's other major religions, however, Buddhism invokes no divinity, no supreme Creator or supreme Self, no Holy Spirit or omniscient loving God to whom we might appeal for salvation.[1] Instead, Buddhism calls for us to hoist ourselves up by our own bootstraps: to develop the discernment we need to distinguish between those qualities within us that are unwholesome and those that are truly noble and good, and to learn how to nourish the good ones and expunge the bad. This is the path to Buddhism's highest perfection, nibbana. Not even the Buddha can take you to that goal; you alone must do the work necessary to complete the journey:
"Therefore, Ananda, be islands unto yourselves, refuges unto yourselves, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as your island, the Dhamma as your refuge, seeking no other refuge." [DN 16]

Despite its non-theistic nature, however, Buddhist practice does call for a certain kind of faith. It is not blind faith, an uncritical acceptance of the Buddha's word as transmitted through scripture. Instead it is saddha, a confidence born of taking refuge in the Triple Gem; it is a willingness to trust that the Dhamma, when practiced diligently, will lead to the rewards promised by the Buddha. Saddha is a provisional acceptance of the teachings, that is ever subject to critical evaluation during the course of one's practice, and which must be balanced by one's growing powers of discernment. For many Buddhists, this faith is expressed and reinforced through traditional devotional practices, such as bowing before a Buddha statue and reciting passages from the early Pali texts. Despite a superficial resemblance to the rites of many theistic religions, however, these activities are neither prayers nor pleas for salvation directed towards a transcendent Other. They are instead useful and inspiring gestures of humility and respect for the profound nobility and worth of the Triple Gem.

Note:
1. According to Buddhist cosmology, every living being dwells in one of thirty-one distinct "planes", of which our familiar human plane is but one. Some of these realms are home to beings (the devas) with unusual powers and extraordinarily subtle and refined physical bodies -- or even no body at all. Their god-like status is, however, short-lived; like all living beings, they are mortal and ultimately subject to death and rebirth in other planes according to the purity and skillfulness of their actions (kamma). One of these devas, the Great Brahma, is so clouded by his own delusion that he believes himself to be the all-powerful, all-seeing creator of the universe.




This link explains it pretty well. :thumbup:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
"Well your standards are wrong."

To you.


Atheism is the rejection of religion and/or God.



xFrockx said:
"No, I already told you that I am aware that there are several sects of the religion of Islam, but that this fact doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot be clumped into one general group, since there are obviously some fundamental similarities between all of the sects."

And what do you propose be done to this "one group" about their relation to this act?


I think that only the individuals who are guilty of committing a crime should be punished by the law, and that any group which promotes violence should be closely watched.


 
xFrockx said:
"I am not joking at all, and I know for a fact that the Koran has passages which practically orders its practitioners to kill other non-Muslims. If you don't believe me, or are otherwise unaware of this fact, then I will provide you with a source."

And the Bible has plenty of passages which condone killing as well, so long as God tells you to do it.


Such as? More than one religion follows the Bible, anyway (e.g.- Jews and Christians).



xFrockx said:
Some sects may be more peaceful than you are, should they be looked down on for their relationship to this act?


No only the sects which condone violence should be closely watched so they don't actually commit any acts of violence.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Poid]
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Ok then as a drug user you ought to be closely watched.

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Post deleted by Lakefingers

Reason for deletion: Reason enough.

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings *DELETED* [Re: xFrockx]
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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Lakefingers]
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"If the herd did not exist or act in a way that structurally supported and in the eyes of other partially sanctioned and justified Islam, then Islamic fundamentalism would be an entirely different thing our world."

You don't know this.

"No hate. Is this one of those I'm not really prepared to entertain what you're writing about responses?"

No, its just nonsense.  Unfounded.

"By my standards your standards are a religion. "

So existence is a religion. Ok.

"This is entertaining, considering that I'm willing to bet my next month's pay that I have more Muslim friends and have worked with more Muslims than everyone in this forum put together. No, that does not mean I am not an islamophobe or whatever similar argument you may counter with. But I mention it because I do not hate Muslims nor did I imply what you are saying I did. In my interpretation of your response I've hit a politically correct sore spot in you; when you read the OP it inflamed that sore spot and out of irritation you made hasty conclusions and projected some boogie-man assumptions onto me. "

You don't have to hate muslims to subdujate them into a group which you set the boundaries of in your head, and then arbitrarily fear.  If not fear, what was your gripe?

"Straw-men frosted with liberalism's ideology. By the way Muslim starts with a capital letter and atheism is not spelled athiesm."

You're just labeling me like you label others.

Edited by xFrockx (01/04/10 02:22 PM)

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Lakefingers]
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By that standard all who remain alive may be condoning the murder of others by other "livers"

Edited by xFrockx (01/04/10 02:24 PM)

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings *DELETED* [Re: xFrockx]
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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: Lakefingers]
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:thumbdown:

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Re: Religion, free speech, diplomacy, murder - Danish Mohammed Drawings [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Ok then as a drug user you ought to be closely watched.


I think it's completely fucking retarded that drug use is illegal, and it definitely isn't something violent, unless, of course, you consider stabbing your arm with a syringe violent. :syringe:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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