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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Did the Buddha teach egolessness? *DELETED*
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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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Buddha spoke of 'anatta' relentlessly in the Pali

The teaching of 'anatta' is the same as egolessness
It is a process of disidentifying with form
Which is what the ego is - identification with form


:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (10/19/09 03:49 PM)

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? *DELETED* [Re: Chronic7]
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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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rebus_minus said:
Do you identify with anything at all?

If his answer is yes, would you just knee-jerkingly believe him? :shrug:


rebus_minus said:
Or should I say anything or all?

Do whatever the fuck pleases you, even if Chronic777 doesn't agree with your style of hedonism.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: Chronic7]
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But 'form' just is another 'tool'... and an expression for the self.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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rebus_minus said:
Do you identify with anything at all? Or should I say anything or all?


I can not identify with any particular thing, nor can i identify with every thing
As every thing appears & passes, so no 'thing' can be held onto to then say 'this is me'


:peace:


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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? *DELETED* [Re: Poid]
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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Buddha spoke of 'anatta' relentlessly in the Pali

The teaching of 'anatta' is the same as egolessness
It is a process of disidentifying with form
Which is what the ego is - identification with form


:peace:


anatta is not the same as egolessness (i.e. an intangible/spiritual goal?)
it is about the void character of self (i.e. a direct observation of what is)
it is about the essential mechanics of self
not about the identification or non-identification that people are entangling with ego and non-ego.

anatta is probably beyond the average person's comprehension, so it gets fouled into something else.

the abhidhamma describes pretty much everything that goes into consciousness and that more or less objectifies mental experience to the point that anatta is obvious.

but abhidhamma came after buddha.
I think it was a good thing to follow.

ego was not such a big thing - buddha was more about how to practice meditation and follow a middle way in life, realize dhamma and see change etc.


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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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The Buddha taught laziness and irresponsibility. Being a wandering bum is not a great achievement.


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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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yet he somehow managed to start a religion that has had millions upon millions of followers

that's a bit of an achievement :sun:


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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
The Buddha taught laziness and irresponsibility. Being a wandering bum is not a great achievement.


that's really silly
you can't do meditation if you are lazy in the least
but wandering bum on the downtime works for me.


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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
The Buddha taught laziness and irresponsibility. Being a wandering bum is not a great achievement.


How do you find the time to write worthless posts?

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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It makes sense that Buddha would not teach about something which is an illusion. Ego is a convenient word, useful in pointing out when we have created attachment to form. Attachment to form would be that which prevents us from knowing our true nature. It's ego, but it's an idea that springs forth duality. It's karma, it's confusion, sparkling lights on the outside and inside. It's the separation, the enemy, the King with a lonely crown, the hunger and no meal, the love and no reciprocation, death and life. It can be pointed out through any example of polarity, as both the positive or negative. So to create "ego" as form would defeat the whole purpose of enlightenment.

"Ego" seems useful, but perhaps it draws the attention from the real task?


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
anatta is not the same as egolessness (i.e. an intangible/spiritual goal?)
it is about the void character of self (i.e. a direct observation of what is)
it is about the essential mechanics of self
not about the identification or non-identification that people are entangling with ego and non-ego.



I only go off of Buddhas definition of anatta:

[Samyutta Nikaya] At one time in Savatthi, the venerable Radha seated himself and asked of the Blessed Lord Buddha: “Anatta, anatta I hear said venerable. What pray tell does Anatta mean?” “Just this, Radha, form is not the self (anatta), sensations are not the self (anatta), perceptions are not the self (anatta), assemblages are not the self (anatta), consciousness is not the self (anatta). Seeing thusly, this is the end of birth, the Brahman life has been fulfilled, what must be done has been done.”

This is a process of disidentifying Self with form
Its what he said himself :shrug:

Its about void chacter of self, as you say
Which is the same exact thing as egolessness
What else is ego but an attempt to define character of self in form?
Perhaps our egos have different definitions of egolessness :lol:

All of Buddhas teachings of
Impermanence of all phenomena (anicca)
Unfulfillment inherent in all pheonmena (dukkha)
the Self not being defined by any phenomena (anatta)
Are all methods of seeing through the ego by recognizing its fleeting nature, how it jumps from form to form, from birth to birth identifying

Its all about attachment, about seeing through what it is that attaches in the first place


Perhaps you just cant see it possible that i really do understand these things

And I dont blame you for that...

:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (10/21/09 09:25 AM)

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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rebus_minus said:
Poid said:
rebus_minus said:
Do you identify with anything at all?

If his answer is yes, would you just knee-jerkingly believe him? :shrug:


rebus_minus said:
Or should I say anything or all?

Do whatever the fuck pleases you, even if Chronic777 doesn't agree with your style of hedonism.


Are you serious?

Just tell me what you wanna say...:yawn:



OrgoneConclusion said:
The Buddha taught laziness and irresponsibility. Being a wandering bum is not a great achievement.

Damn, so I was conned by a fat-ass lazy wandering Asian bum who was always shooting them ol' shit-eating grins at me? Fuck, I should have gotten the clue...:bitchslap:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: rebus_minus]
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As far as i can see, the ego is a process of escaping to know oneself.
And by doing so creating the causes for further avoidance.

Example: When something doesn't please me then i get angry, this anger causes situations that don't please me, so i get angry...
It's a similar thing for submission and lust i think.

:whatdoyouthink:

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
The Buddha taught laziness and irresponsibility. Being a wandering bum is not a great achievement.



Oh how wrong you are. It's the greatest achievement.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
As far as i can see, the ego is a process of escaping to know oneself.
And by doing so creating the causes for further avoidance.

Example: When something doesn't please me then i get angry, this anger causes situations that don't please me, so i get angry...
It's a similar thing for submission and lust i think.

:whatdoyouthink:



You really don't understand ego IMO. The ego helps us navigate material reality as a seperate entity. Your ego does not have to get angry all the time. Some egos are realtively healthy and not addicted to every emotional state that flows through.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: Icelander]
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Ok, so there i a healthy ego then? That must be the one who breaks through the vicious circles of the unhealthy ego. But why call that 'ego'? It isn't self-centred at all. Well, maybe ego, but then at the very most our natural ego. :flowers:

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Re: Did the Buddha teach egolessness? [Re: Ahimsa]
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ego is a psychological term, thats all :shrug: It helps us talk about a certain function of our minds.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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