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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Icelander]
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Sounds good to me.  Extremists often take a good thing and run with it too far and thus turn it into a bad thing.  Most americans could do with alot more raw food in their diet, but raw only is obviously stupid.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
One of the premises from the book 'Left in the Dark' is that man should readopt a raw food diet.

Guess we should eat poisonous raw cashews rather than cook them and eat undigestable dried rice because adding hot water will change our brain chemistry for the worse and cause us to lose our psychic powers.




The middle path my boy. I think 50% raw or more is a healthy way to go.




Agree. That seems to be about right. And the cooked food I now eat is a LOT healthier than what it used to be.


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Food that has its enzymes intact seem to be a better source of fuel.  Food heated to above about 118 degrees looses its enzymes.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: InnerStillness]
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Looses?

Do you like your rice cold and rock hard?


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: InnerStillness]
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InnerStillness said:
Food that has its enzymes intact seem to be a better source of fuel.  Food heated to above about 118 degrees looses its enzymes.



Certain foods are better eaten raw (e.g.- fruits), and others must be cooked in order to be eaten (e.g.- beans :mexican:)


When you want more fiber in your diet, are you going to down protein shakes? :shake:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
The middle path my boy.



So we should eat our 'taters half-cooked?


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Carotenoid Analyses of Selected Raw and Cooked Foods Associated With a Lower Risk for Cancer
Marc S. Micozzi*, Gary R. Beecher, Philip R. Taylor, Fred Khachik
National Museum of Health and Medicine, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Washington, DC
Human Nutrition Research Center, U.S. Department of Agriculture Beltsville, MD
Cancer Prevention Studies Branch, National Cancer Institute Bethesda, MD

*Correspondence to: Marc S. Micozzi, M.D., National Museum of Health and Medicine, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC 20306–6000.

We examined the carotenoid content of selected foods consistently found to be associated with a lower risk for various epithelial cancers in epidemiologic studies. Both raw and cooked samples of green, leafy vegetables and yellow or orange vegetables were quantitatively examined by high-performance liquid chromatography for individual carotenoid content. The results indicated that fresh, green, leafy vegetables were moderately high in beta carotene (0.5–14.6 mg/100 g) and very high in oxygenated carotenoids or xanthophylls, primarily lutein and its stereoisomers (2.3–63.0 g/100 g). The fresh, yellow or orange vegetables examined were very high in beta carotene (16.0–120.5 g/100 g) but had no detectable nonhydrocar-bon carotenoids. Cooking differentially reduced the lutein content compared with the beta carotene content in green, leafy vegetables. These analyses suggest that consumption of carotenoids in addition to beta carotene may be associated with a lower risk for cancer. [J Natl Cancer Inst 82:282–285, 1990]

Food habits and pancreatic cancer: a case-control study of the Francophone community in Montreal, Canada
P Ghadirian, J Baillargeon, A Simard and C Perret
Hopital Hotel-Dieu de Montreal, Department of Nutrition, Faculty of Medicine, University of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

In a population-based case-control study of pancreatic cancer and nutrition among the Francophone population of Montreal (Quebec, Canada), a total of 179 cases and 239 controls matched for age, sex, and language (French) were interviewed between 1984 and 1988. Data on food habits, methods of food preparation and preservation, and related information were obtained through a questionnaire. The study found an increased risk of pancreatic cancer associated with a high consumption of salt [relative risk (RR) = 4.28; 95% confidence interval (CI) = 2.20-8.36], smoked meat (RR = 4.68; CI = 2.05-10.69), dehydrated food (RR = 3.10; 95% CI = 1.55-6.22), fried food (RR= 3.84; 95% CI = 1.74-8.48), and refined sugar (RR = 2.81; 95% CI = 0.94-8.45). An inverse association was found with the consumption of food with no preservatives or additives (RR = 0.08; 95% CI = 0.01-0.59), raw food (RR = 0.28; 95% CI = 0.10-0.75), and food prepared by presto or high-pressure cooking (RR = 0.35% 95% CI = 0.15-0.81), electricity (RR = 0.30; 95% CI = 0.90), or microwave oven (RR = 0.56; 95% CI = 0.34-0.92). Cooking with firewood was associated with a significantly higher risk for pancreatic cancer (RR = 4.63; 95% CI = 1.15-16.52). The results of this study suggest that food habits may play an important role in the etiology of cancer of the pancreas among French Canadians in Montreal, whereas other food habits may reduce the risk of this disease.

Not sure how to understand the statistics on this, but its still a relatable refernce to this slug fest.:box:


Titre du document / Document title
Food groups and colorectal cancer risk
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
LEVI F. (1) ; PASCHE C. (1) ; LA VECCHIA C. (2 3) ; LUCCHINI F. (1) ; FRANCESCHI S. (4) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Registre Vaudois des Tumeurs, Institut universitaire de médecine sociale et préventive, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois, Falaises 1, 1011 Lausanne, SUISSE
(2) Istituto di Ricerche Farmacologiche ' Mario Negri', Via Eritrea 62, 20157 Milano, ITALIE
(3) Istituto di Statistica Medica e Biometria, Università degli Studi di Milano, Via Venezian 1, 20133 Milano, ITALIE
(4) Servizio di Epidemiologia, Centro di Riferimento Oncologico (CRO), Via Pedemontana Occ., 33081 Aviano, ITALIE

Résumé / Abstract
Most studies of diet and colorectal cancer have considered nutrients and micronutrients, but the role of foods or food groups remains open to debate. To elucidate the issue, we examined data from a case-control study conducted between 1992 and 1997 in the Swiss canton of Vaud. Cases were 223 patients (142 men, 81 women) with incident, histologically confirmed colon (n = 119) or rectal (n = 104) cancer (median age 63 years), linked with the Cancer Registry of the Swiss Canton of Vaud, and controls were 491 subjects (211 men, 280 women, median age 58 years) admitted to the same university hospital for a wide spectrum of acute non-neoplastic conditions unrelated to long-term modifications of diet. Odds ratios (OR) were obtained after allowance for age, sex, education, smoking, alcohol, body mass index, physical activity and total energy intake. Significant associations were observed for refined grain (OR = 1.32 for an increase of one serving per day), and red meat (OR = 1.54), pork and processed meat (OR = 1.27), alcohol (OR = 1.28), and significant protections for whole grain (OR = 0.85), raw (OR = 0.85) and cooked vegetables (OR = 0.69), citrus (OR = 0.86) and other fruits (OR = 0.85), and for coffee (OR = 0.73). Garlic was also protective (OR = 0.32 for the highest tertile of intake). These findings in a central European population support the hypothesis that a diet rich in refined grains and red meat increases the risk of colorectal cancer; they, therefore, support the recommendation to substitute whole grains for refined grain, to limit meat intake, and to increase fruit and vegetable consumption.

This one has one flaw, it does not refernece raw food primarily. However, consider that the first study shows higher levels of cancer fighting agents exist in some raw foods, as opposed to the cooked counter parts, it becomes clear that raw food diets are what they are.

Consumption of Olive Oil and Specific Food Groups in Relation to Breast Cancer Risk in Greece
Antonia Trichopoulou, Klea Katsouyanni, Sherri Stuver, Lia Tzala, Charalambos Gnardellis, Eric Rimm, Dimitrios Trichopoulos
Department of Nutrition and Biochemistry, Athens School of Public Health Greece Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health Boston, Mass
Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Athens Medical School Goudi, Greece Department of Epidemiology and Center for Cancer Prevention, Harvard School of Public Health
Department of Epidemiology and Center for Cancer Prevention, Harvard School of Public Health
Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Athens Medical School
Department of Nutrition and Biochemistry, Athens School of Public Health
Department of Nutrition, Department of Epidemiology, and Center for Cancer Prevention, Harvard School of Public Health

Correspondence to: Dimitrios Trichopoulos, M.D., Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health. 677 Huntington Ave., Boston, MA 02115.

Background: Experimental animal studies suggest that olive oil consumption, as contrasted to consumption of other fat types, does not enhance the occurrence of chemically induced mammary tumors, but human data are sparse. Furthermore, evidence is inconclusive concerning the role of food groups, as distinct from that of major nutrients, in the etiology of breast cancer in women. Purpose: This analysis was conducted to evaluate and quantify the effect of consumption of olive oil, margarine, and a range of food groups on the risk of breast cancer. Methods: Data from a comprehensive, semiquantitative food-frequency questionnaire administered to 820 women with breast cancer and 1548 control women from the study base were used to calculate odds ratios (ORs) and X statistics of linear trend for the consumption of olive oil, margarine, and a series of food groups classified in quintiles. Adjustment for the effects of reproductive risk factors, energy intake, and mutual confounding influences was implemented through unconditional logistic regression modeling. Results: Vegetable consumption and fruit consumption were independently associated with statistically significant reductions of breast cancer risk by 12% and 8%, respectively, per quintile increase; no significant associations were evident for the other food groups examined. Increased olive oil consumption was associated with significantly reduced breast cancer risk (OR = 0.75 [95% confidence interval = 0.57–0.98] for more than once a day versus once a day), whereas increased margarine consumption was associated with significantly increased risk (OR = 1.05 [95% confidence interval = 1.00–1.10] for an increment of four times a month). The olive oil association was apparently concentrated among postmenopausal women, but the relevant interaction term was not statistically significant; there was no suggestion of interaction with menopausal status for consumption of either vegetables, fruits, or margarine. Conclusions: Although major categories of macronutrients do not show significant associations with breast cancer risk in most studies, including the present one, vegetables and fruits are inversely, significantly, and strongly associated with this risk. There also is evidence that olive oil consumption may reduce the risk of breast cancer, whereas margarine intake appears to be associated with an elevated risk for the disease. [J Natl Cancer Inst 87:110-116, 1995]


Epidemiology and Cancer Prevention
Food groups and risk of squamous cell esophageal cancer in Northern Italy
Cristina Bosetti 1 2 *, Carlo La Vecchia 1 2 3, Renato Talamini 4, Lorenzo Simonato 5, Paola Zambon 5, Eva Negri 1, Dimitrios Trichopoulos 2 6, Pagona Lagiou 6, Romeo Bardini 7, Silvia Franceschi 4
1Istituto di Ricerche Farmacologiche Mario Negri, Milan, Italy
2Department of Epidemiology and Center for Cancer Prevention, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts
3Istituto di Statistica Medica e Biometria, Università degli Studi di Milano, Milan, Italy
4Centro di Riferimento Oncologico, Aviano (PN), Italy
5Servizio di Epidemiologia dei Tumori, Registro dei Tumori del Veneto, Padova, Italy
6Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Athens Medical School, Goudi, Athens, Greece
7Dipartimento di Scienze Chirurgiche e Gastroenterologiche, Clinica Chirurgica Generale I, Università degli Studi di Padova, Padova, Italy

email: Cristina Bosetti (bosetti@irfmn.mnegri.it)

*Correspondence to Cristina Bosetti, Laboratory of General Epidemiology, Istituto di Ricerche Farmacologiche Mario Negri, Via Eritrea 62. I-20157 Milan, Italy. Fax: +39-02-33200231

Funded by:
Italian Association for Cancer Research, Milan
International Olive Oil Council, Madrid

Abstract
To better understand the nutritional etiology of squamous cell esophageal cancer, we conducted a case-control study in 3 areas of northern Italy. A total of 304 incident, histologically confirmed cases of squamous cell carcinoma of the esophagus (275 men, 29 women) and 743 hospital controls (593 men, 150 women) with acute, non-neoplastic conditions, not related to smoking, alcohol consumption or long-term diet modification, were interviewed during 1992 to 1997. The validated food-frequency questionnaire included 78 questions on food items or recipes, which were then categorized into 19 main food groups, and 10 questions on fat intake pattern. After allowance for age, sex, education, area of residence, tobacco smoking, alcohol drinking and non-alcohol energy, a significant increased risk emerged for high consumption of soups (OR=2.1 for the highest vs. lowest quintile), whereas inverse associations with esophageal cancer risk were observed for pasta and rice (OR=0.7), poultry (OR=0.4), raw vegetables (OR=0.3), citrus fruit (OR=0.4) and other fruit (OR=0.5). The associations with dietary habits were consistent in different strata of tobacco smoking and alcohol drinking. Among added lipids, olive oil intake showed a significant reduction of esophageal cancer risk, even after allowance for total vegetable consumption (OR=0.4), while butter consumption was directly associated with this risk (OR=2.2). Our results thus provide further support to the evidence that raw vegetables and citrus fruit are inversely related to the risk of squamous cell esophageal cancer and suggest that olive oil may also reduce this risk. Int. J. Cancer 87:289-294, 2000. © 2000 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

Do it for you and the ones who will come to love you.

:rockon:


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Human Cancer
Food groups and risk of oral and pharyngeal cancer
Fabio Levi 1 *, Cristina Pasche 1, Carlo La Vecchia 2, Franca Lucchini 1, Silvia Franceschi 3, Philippe Monnier 4
1Registre Vaudois des Tumeurs, Institut Universitaire de Médecine Sociale et Préventive, Lausanne, Switzerland
2Istituto di Ricerche Farmacologiche Mario Negri and Istituto di Statistica Medica e Biometria, Università degli Studi di Milano, Milan, Italy
3Servizio di Epidemiologia, Centro di Riferimento Oncologico (CRO), Aviano (PN), Italy
4Service d'oto-Rhino-Laryngologie, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire, Vaudois, Lausanne, Switzerland

email: Fabio Levi (fabio.levi@inst.hospvd.ch)

*Correspondence to Fabio Levi, Institut universitaire de médecine sociale et préventive, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois, Falaises 1, Casier 15, CH-1011 Lausanne, Switzerland. Fax: (41)21-323 03 03

Funded by:
Swiss Foundation for Research Against Cancer
Vaud League Against Cancer; Grant Number: AKT 413

Abstract
The role of specific food groups and diet variety on the risk of oral and pharyngeal cancer has been considered using data from a case-control study conducted between 1992 and 1997 in the Swiss Canton of Vaud. Cases were 156 patients (126 males, 30 females) aged under 75 (median age 56) years with incident, histologically confirmed cancer of the oral cavity and pharynx, and controls were 284 subjects (246 males, 38 females, median age 57 years), admitted to the same university hospital for a wide spectrum of acute, non-neoplastic conditions unrelated to tobacco and alcohol consumption or to long-term modification of diet. After allowance for education, alcohol, tobacco and total energy intake, significant trends of increasing risk with more frequent intake emerged for eggs (OR = 2.3 for the highest tertile), red meat (OR = 2.1) and pork and processed meat (OR = 3.2). Inverse trends in risk were observed for milk (OR = 0.4 for the highest tertile), fish (OR = 0.5), raw vegetables (OR = 0.3), cooked vegetables (OR = 0.1), citrus fruit (OR = 0.4) and other fruits (OR = 0.2). The addition of a serving per day of fruit or vegetables was associated with an about 50% reduction in oral cancer risk(Keep in mind the higer levels of cancer fighting agents in raw foods as prescribed by the study presented in the last post). The most favourable diet for oral cancer risk is therefore given by infrequent consumption of red and processed meat and eggs and, most of all, frequent vegetable and fruit intake. Diet diversity was inversely related to oral and pharyngeal cancer: ORs were 0.35 for the highest tertile of total diversity, 0.24 for vegetable and 0.34 for fruit diversity. In terms of attributable risk, high meat intake accounted for 49% of oral and pharyngeal cancers in this population, low vegetable intake for 65% and low fruit intake for 54%. Int. J. Cancer 77:705-709, 1998. © 1998 Wiley-Liss, Inc.


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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100% of raw fooders will die from something. Will try to cite the study...

I personally knew of a young 100% fruitarian. He made all sorts of physical and spiritual health claims. Bottom line: all the fruit/acid stripped the enamel off his teeth and he had horrendous dental problems.


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
100% of raw fooders will die from something. Will try to cite the study...



Well if you can't, then it appears that we have reached an impasse! :smirk:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Poid]
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:rockon:


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Diploid]
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:cheers: Ooh, I haven't had whole button mushrooms in a while, sounds good.

DieCommie said:
falcon said:
Salami has tasty micro-organisms and it's raw.



Is it considered raw?  I always figured the fermenting curing processing counted as 'de-rawing' it.  Raw eaters are usually vegan anyway so I guess it doesnt matter.



Salami tastes too good not to be health food, but yeah, I'm stretching or depending on how you look at it, limiting the definition to include salami, cause it hasn't been heated.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: falcon]
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Any food served above Absolute Zero has been heated. :shrug:


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Why would I eat rice?

Fruit veggies, greens and nuts seem to be all I need.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: InnerStillness]
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Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Eating rice to me, except top notch, perfectly cooked rice, an then only every so often and in very small amounts, tastes like crap and feels like I'm eating glue unless it's mixed with seasoning and/or vegetables. Why do I need that when I can just eat the veggies?


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Oops, I'll recalibrate my baseline.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Poid]
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Yes you have to cook some things in order for them to be digestible.  To me that translates into it not being something I should consume in the first place. 

Fiber? Protein?  These things are well accounted for. Perhaps I misunderstand your question, or am missing something. =D

Edited by InnerStillness (09/02/09 03:13 PM)

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: InnerStillness]
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InnerStillness said:
To me that translates into it not being something I should consume in the first place.



I'm done with you. :leaving:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
InnerStillness said:
To me that translates into it not being something I should consume in the first place.



I'm done with you. :leaving:




Poid, is there ANYTHING that you're not an expert on?


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Re: Raw Food Diet [Re: whattheheck]
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Finding out how to receive free money via government grants; I've been pursuing this endeavor for years now, and I'm broke as a bad joke. :sad:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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