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Plant based diet
    #1998755 - 10/10/03 11:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Not aware of any stastical data to back this up, but I think plant based diets do some good things for the brain. Lately my thoughts have been clearer and I can formulate my ideas better. Though I have not watched television in a few weeks or listen to the radio anymore, which could have had some effect.

So my odd idea is that a huge shift is going to occur for mankind and the planet. Either we will become herbivores, living sustainably and peacefully off of the planet or we will kill, slaughter, and pollute everything. The end.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #1998768 - 10/10/03 11:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Typical vegetarian propaganda. Meat makes you smarter, don'cha know?


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #1998922 - 10/11/03 12:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

great post, seems so simple an idea to solve so many problems, just turn vegatarian, and tons of problems fixed, its to bad to many people like steak and lobster so much :/


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: 2Experimental]
    #1998944 - 10/11/03 12:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Explain to me what problems of mine would be fixed by turning vegetarian.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #1999075 - 10/11/03 02:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

you wouldnt have to eat those big, juicy, mouth-watering T-Bones anymore.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #1999076 - 10/11/03 02:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it takes the body many hours to digest protien rich foods, especially meat. Vegetables and fruits are digested in a few minutes. If you have digestion problems, especially gas or acid reflux, then changing your diet to more vegetables and fruits would help with that.

I think more so than being vegetarian its important to combine your foods properly. Not all foods digest at the same rate, and lots of foods require different enzymes to broken down. For instance, when you eat a protein rich food like steak your stomach has to produce a lot of acid to digest it. If you happened to eat a baked potatoe with that steak like many ppl do, then that concentrated starch will not be digested properly because all that acid destroys salivary amylase, teh enzyme used to break down starch.

Basically your stomach has to work very hard and doesnt absorb the maximum amount of nutrients from your food, creating lots of uneeded waste. If you can build a diet that maximizes digestive energies, then all that energy can be used for other bodily processes.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: chunder]
    #1999124 - 10/11/03 02:37 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thanx. If I ever start to have digestive problems, I'll keep that in mind.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #1999577 - 10/11/03 06:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #1999872 - 10/11/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #1999878 - 10/11/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Lately my thoughts have been clearer and I can formulate my ideas better. Though I have not watched television in a few weeks or listen to the radio anymore, which could have had some effect.




"some" effect? Turning off the brainwashing box probably plays more into your mental clarity than eating healthier.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: Adden]
    #1999888 - 10/11/03 12:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If my teeth were not meant to chew meat, they would not be sharp and pointy.

they would be broad and flat like every other herbivore that has ever walked the earth.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1999912 - 10/11/03 12:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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DoctorJ said:
If my teeth were not meant to chew meat, they would not be sharp and pointy.

they would be broad and flat like every other herbivore that has ever walked the earth.




If I was not to shoot people, they would not make guns available to me...
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Re: Plant based diet [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1999932 - 10/11/03 01:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

My canine teeth were removed at a young age because they grew abnormaly. Yeah, humans have 2 sharp teeth and the all-purpose, yet flat front teeth. Humans have had to eat meat before. But it is no longer necessary. Agriculture has solved this problem. Agriculture marked the end of mass-scale nomadic living right? Yeah, we are technically omnivores, but can make the choice to become herbivorous.

I'm not saying you should not eat meat ever. If you are going to die and it's y'know... you versus the squirrel or some shit. Then you do what you have to.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #1999948 - 10/11/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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reflectedlight said:
I'm not saying you should not eat meat ever. If you are going to die and it's y'know... you versus the squirrel or some shit. Then you do what you have to. 




?looks savagely at reflectedlight's avatar?

...mmm.... meatball.... auhgahgaaahhh....
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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #1999951 - 10/11/03 01:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

what if its "me vs. the low protien level"

or

"me vs. the biological instincts that make meat taste and smell good to me"

don't get me wrong, vegatarianism is fine, I've had several vegan girlfriends, but I don't think I would ever be able to do it.  I like eating meat, and I'm skin and bones as it is.  Seriously, dude, I weigh like 110 lbs.  If I were to stop eating meat, I would blow away in a strong gust of wind :smile:


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1999972 - 10/11/03 01:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"My daddy says if god didnt want us to eat cows, he wouldnt have invented steak sauce" -bobby hill


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #2000333 - 10/11/03 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

From one of those links:
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Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million.
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced
their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million.
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80.
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95.
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2.3 seconds.
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000.
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250.
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56.
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16.



We already have enough food to feed the world's poor. The problem is we waste it all.

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Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 3 times more . Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75. Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85.
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 sq. feet. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year.



I believe that's mostly cattle they're talking about. Fine, then. I like chicken better anyway.

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Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than
once a week: 3.8 times. For women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week: 2.8 times. Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times. Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times.



If I was worried about cancer, I wouldn't smoke.

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Most common cause of death in the U.S.: heart attack.
How frequently a heart attack kills in the U.S.: every 45 seconds.
Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 percent.
Risk of average U.S. man who eats no meat, dairy or eggs: 4 percent.
Amount you reduce risk if you eliminate meat, dairy and eggs from your diet: 90 percent
Average cholesterol level of people eating meat-centered-diet: 210 mg/dl.
Chance of dying from heart disease if you are male and your blood cholesterol level is
210 mg/dl: greater than 50 percent.



If and when I develop a cholesterol problem, I'll keep this in mind.

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User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock production.
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25.
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000.
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet:13.
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260.
Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calory of protein from beef: 78.
To get 1 calory of protein from soybeans: 2.



I doubt much of this could be said of fish or chickens.

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Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55.
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13.
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91.
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban.
Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support.



This is not an argument against eating meat, but rather an attack on the meat industry. I agree that the meat industry needs to change, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop eating meat.

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Fewer than 1 out of every 250,000 slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical
residues.
Percentage of U.S. mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 99.
Percentage of U.S. vegetarian mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8.
Contamination of breast milk, due to chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides in animal
products, found in meat-eating mothers vs. non-meat eating mothers: 35 times higher.



Hey, guess what? Vegetables are sprayed with pesticides too.

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Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the U.S.: 660,000.
Occupation with the highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker.
Occupation with the highest rate of on-the-job-injury in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker.



Maybe the slaughterhouse workers need to unionize, then.

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Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest affects our consciousness, emotions and experiential pattern. If we want to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all creatures, then we should
consider not eating meat, fish, shellfish, fowl or eggs.



Pure, 100%, grade A bullshit. Higher consciousness is brought about through meditation and/or psychedelics, not by what you eat.

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Major religions around the world such as Buddhism or Hinduism teach that all of our actions including our choice of food have karmic consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures, one must in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused.



By eating vegetables, you are sponsoring the spraying of insects needed to keep the crops alive, as well as several animals killed by the harvesting machines. At least I put the animals someone killed to good use by eating them. BTW, Buddha was not a vegetarian. The reality of animals getting killed is simply a part of the first noble truth--that life is suffering.

Now here's some statistics for you:

Taste of beef: Delicious
Taste of chicken: Excellent
Taste of fish: Good with Tartar Sauce
Taste of most vegetables:


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #2000379 - 10/11/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I barely skimmed those sites, but they seemed valid enough. Your shrug off alot of stuff with one liners. Anyway;

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  "Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest affects our consciousness, emotions and experiential pattern. If we want to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all creatures, then we should consider not eating meat, fish, shellfish, fowl or eggs."

Pure, 100%, grade A bullshit. Higher consciousness is brought about through meditation and/or psychedelics, not by what you eat.




Even forgo the last part about eating meat, fish, shellfish, fowl, or eggs. Do you seriously think what you eat doesn't have a significant effect on your mind and body? (And it would follow.. your consciousness)

And vegetables: It is an aquired taste, sure. I don't have any problem stomaching anything I eat. I'm even beginning to like soy milk.  :thumbup: 


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: reflectedlight]
    #2000389 - 10/11/03 05:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Even forgo the last part about eating meat, fish, shellfish, fowl, or eggs. Do you seriously think what you eat doesn't have a significant effect on your mind and body? (And it would follow.. your consciousness)



Well sure, but I would think that by eating higher lifeforms that that would bring about higher consciousness.


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Re: Plant based diet [Re: silversoul7]
    #2000403 - 10/11/03 05:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure eating food which entails killing and violence is not very helpful in propagating higher states of consciousness. If you were truly in a higher state of consciousness, you'd realize that we don't need these mass-slaughtering factories and all of the meat-eating habits which have become engrained into our society for centuries. The energy present in meat is at an extremely high trophic level too (very little energy, as compared to plants or vegetables).

But hey, to each his own.


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